Comments on: The Undocumented Story of Minhaz Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/11/22/the-undocumented-story-of-minhaz-khan/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Shenaz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/11/22/the-undocumented-story-of-minhaz-khan/comment-page-1/#comment-287433 Shenaz Sun, 27 Nov 2011 23:04:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/?p=7833#comment-287433 <p>"I’ve been following closely the case of Minhaz Khan, a 24 year old undocumented Bangladeshi-American ". Uh, if he is undocumented, then he is not eligible for the tag '-American'.</p> “I’ve been following closely the case of Minhaz Khan, a 24 year old undocumented Bangladeshi-American “. Uh, if he is undocumented, then he is not eligible for the tag ‘-American’.

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By: PeoplesRepublicOfDravidNadu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/11/22/the-undocumented-story-of-minhaz-khan/comment-page-1/#comment-287404 PeoplesRepublicOfDravidNadu Wed, 23 Nov 2011 15:53:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/?p=7833#comment-287404 <p>You all made brilliant points, and surprisingly, you all changed my view. I'm not being sarcastic one bit. I love, especially, how you brought up Ms. Rosa Parks. She <em>broke</em> a rule for OUR benefits. She over-turned unjust laws. Oh yes, the British legally forbade us from making salt.</p> <p>Regarding illegal immigration: Another person here basically said to go after the Big Guys. I agree 100%. Punish the Big Guys.</p> <p>Me taking out my frustrations on the illegal immigrants is sort of like blaming the Iraq Invasion '03 on the foot soldiers.</p> You all made brilliant points, and surprisingly, you all changed my view. I’m not being sarcastic one bit. I love, especially, how you brought up Ms. Rosa Parks. She broke a rule for OUR benefits. She over-turned unjust laws. Oh yes, the British legally forbade us from making salt.

Regarding illegal immigration: Another person here basically said to go after the Big Guys. I agree 100%. Punish the Big Guys.

Me taking out my frustrations on the illegal immigrants is sort of like blaming the Iraq Invasion ’03 on the foot soldiers.

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By: The Game http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/11/22/the-undocumented-story-of-minhaz-khan/comment-page-1/#comment-287402 The Game Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:42:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/?p=7833#comment-287402 <p>What rigor of american law or rules do you speak of. The same one which talks about the "great constitutional right of freedom of religion and creation of churches of all faiths in equal to all citizens ". But every time a mosque or temple is trying to be built by citizens of america in their communities, the bible thumping majority, great american suburbia and urban together -- come up with ridiculous parking problems, hazard issues to local life etc, but when a church wants to be constructed none of these issues come up.</p> <p>American law and rules are selectively applied, and christian bias through the american majority populace is evident across this wide land.</p> <p>Second generation or not, fair or not, american rules are just those of convenience, and this website can try to push pluralism. But until it breaks down the american seduction with the bible thumping blind evangilism, nothing american does will really matter in terms of making a change that is sustainable. Change starts at home.</p> <p>No wonder Narendra Modi is becoming popular across rural idaho and southern maine. Kid me not, I ran into some white 41 year old farmer and the guy was talking about the modi effect on idaho. DAMN!</p> <p>Jai ho, you ivtory tower miscreants</p> What rigor of american law or rules do you speak of. The same one which talks about the “great constitutional right of freedom of religion and creation of churches of all faiths in equal to all citizens “. But every time a mosque or temple is trying to be built by citizens of america in their communities, the bible thumping majority, great american suburbia and urban together — come up with ridiculous parking problems, hazard issues to local life etc, but when a church wants to be constructed none of these issues come up.

American law and rules are selectively applied, and christian bias through the american majority populace is evident across this wide land.

Second generation or not, fair or not, american rules are just those of convenience, and this website can try to push pluralism. But until it breaks down the american seduction with the bible thumping blind evangilism, nothing american does will really matter in terms of making a change that is sustainable. Change starts at home.

No wonder Narendra Modi is becoming popular across rural idaho and southern maine. Kid me not, I ran into some white 41 year old farmer and the guy was talking about the modi effect on idaho. DAMN!

Jai ho, you ivtory tower miscreants

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By: Not a troll, really http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/11/22/the-undocumented-story-of-minhaz-khan/comment-page-1/#comment-287398 Not a troll, really Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:33:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/?p=7833#comment-287398 <p>I will just add one more point. Many Indians came here with parents who were educated and got citizenship through their academic or technical jobs. Guess what? You were already part of the elite before you left the desh. Same case if you came here as a student. You are still already part of the elite. Don't think you are a legal citizen because you are inherently better than an illegal. You are just lucky you got born into a family with some wealth and got to go to college and apply for universities or jobs in the U.S.</p> <p>Most illegals who come here are very poor or like Minhaz a refugee who has left everything behind. They have no choice but to steal into another country and just try to raise their children and have a better shot at life. If you have legal citizenship and some wealth, have some compassion. It's not about rules.</p> <p>We have enough money to take in people who want to work hard here and raise their children. We don't have money for 900 military bases around the world and a "defense" budget that is in the trillions. Somehow we find money to build weapons, keep dictators in power, and invade other people's countries but no money to give subsidized health care to our old and poor. What kind of rule do we live with?</p> <p>Sorry to derail the thread. I hope Minhaz gets to stay in the country, get a good job, and buy his mother a nice house and take her out for manicures and fancy dinners.</p> <p>Thanks for this post, Taz.</p> I will just add one more point. Many Indians came here with parents who were educated and got citizenship through their academic or technical jobs. Guess what? You were already part of the elite before you left the desh. Same case if you came here as a student. You are still already part of the elite. Don’t think you are a legal citizen because you are inherently better than an illegal. You are just lucky you got born into a family with some wealth and got to go to college and apply for universities or jobs in the U.S.

Most illegals who come here are very poor or like Minhaz a refugee who has left everything behind. They have no choice but to steal into another country and just try to raise their children and have a better shot at life. If you have legal citizenship and some wealth, have some compassion. It’s not about rules.

We have enough money to take in people who want to work hard here and raise their children. We don’t have money for 900 military bases around the world and a “defense” budget that is in the trillions. Somehow we find money to build weapons, keep dictators in power, and invade other people’s countries but no money to give subsidized health care to our old and poor. What kind of rule do we live with?

Sorry to derail the thread. I hope Minhaz gets to stay in the country, get a good job, and buy his mother a nice house and take her out for manicures and fancy dinners.

Thanks for this post, Taz.

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By: Not a troll, really http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/11/22/the-undocumented-story-of-minhaz-khan/comment-page-1/#comment-287397 Not a troll, really Wed, 23 Nov 2011 08:20:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/?p=7833#comment-287397 <p>The "Rule is a rule" statement is really ridiculous. Who plays by the rules? Banks? Lobbyists? Politicians?</p> <p>Illegal immigration is present where there is opportunity. Want to get rid of illegal immigration? Okay then fine and arrest employers who hire illegals for pennies to pick produce in the heat so that you can buy a cabbage for 3 dollars instead of the $15 it would cost if the farmers hired legals and paid minimum wage and insurance. Most of the illegals work in corporatized establishments like food service, construction, and farming. You still don't want illegals? Then grow food locally with local people chipping in during harvest time, like they used to, which is why schools are out for the summer months. Don't create housing bubbles with faceless, nameless drones writing out mortgages and then betting against them and making millions and losing millions. Someone had to build the cheap houses to feed the bubble. You like your buckets of cheap chicken tenders? Go look inside food processing plants for fast food. They are full of illegals. Why? They allow you have $2 burgers.</p> <p>Most illegals who come here do so to work hard and make a decent lives for themselves. Don't punish them. Go after the big guys who are making money off of cheap labor and making this country bankrupt while they fly in private planes and think of more wars to wage and weapons to sell and oil fields to own.</p> The “Rule is a rule” statement is really ridiculous. Who plays by the rules? Banks? Lobbyists? Politicians?

Illegal immigration is present where there is opportunity. Want to get rid of illegal immigration? Okay then fine and arrest employers who hire illegals for pennies to pick produce in the heat so that you can buy a cabbage for 3 dollars instead of the $15 it would cost if the farmers hired legals and paid minimum wage and insurance. Most of the illegals work in corporatized establishments like food service, construction, and farming. You still don’t want illegals? Then grow food locally with local people chipping in during harvest time, like they used to, which is why schools are out for the summer months. Don’t create housing bubbles with faceless, nameless drones writing out mortgages and then betting against them and making millions and losing millions. Someone had to build the cheap houses to feed the bubble. You like your buckets of cheap chicken tenders? Go look inside food processing plants for fast food. They are full of illegals. Why? They allow you have $2 burgers.

Most illegals who come here do so to work hard and make a decent lives for themselves. Don’t punish them. Go after the big guys who are making money off of cheap labor and making this country bankrupt while they fly in private planes and think of more wars to wage and weapons to sell and oil fields to own.

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By: Goodreading http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/11/22/the-undocumented-story-of-minhaz-khan/comment-page-1/#comment-287395 Goodreading Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:28:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/?p=7833#comment-287395 <p>Saying a "rule is still a rule" is a very ignorant thing to say.</p> <p>Tell that to the Nazi soldiers who were tried for killing millions of people and were "just doing their jobs." I'm sure they'd agree with you.</p> <p>Tell that to Rosa Parks who broke the rules because they were unjust. Tell that to the American Revolutionaries who broke the rules of British law.</p> <p>"An individual who breaks a law that his conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonme­nt in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law." - Martin Luther King, Jr</p> Saying a “rule is still a rule” is a very ignorant thing to say.

Tell that to the Nazi soldiers who were tried for killing millions of people and were “just doing their jobs.” I’m sure they’d agree with you.

Tell that to Rosa Parks who broke the rules because they were unjust. Tell that to the American Revolutionaries who broke the rules of British law.

“An individual who breaks a law that his conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonme­nt in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law.” – Martin Luther King, Jr

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By: Taz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/11/22/the-undocumented-story-of-minhaz-khan/comment-page-1/#comment-287394 Taz Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:28:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/?p=7833#comment-287394 <p>I couldn't find an article on his father's death - but it was mentioned in the narrative on the petition and I did ask the question of what happened to his father. As someone who's mother just passed, I don't feel comfortable pressing him further on the details other than what I did ask. If Minhaz wants to expand, he can do so in the comments. But I personally respect if he doesn't want, especially if it may compromise his safety.</p> I couldn’t find an article on his father’s death – but it was mentioned in the narrative on the petition and I did ask the question of what happened to his father. As someone who’s mother just passed, I don’t feel comfortable pressing him further on the details other than what I did ask. If Minhaz wants to expand, he can do so in the comments. But I personally respect if he doesn’t want, especially if it may compromise his safety.

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By: Not a troll, really http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/11/22/the-undocumented-story-of-minhaz-khan/comment-page-1/#comment-287393 Not a troll, really Wed, 23 Nov 2011 07:13:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/?p=7833#comment-287393 <p>I always enjoy your posts, Taz. I am curious why you say that his father was killed/murdered for his political beliefs when in the interview Minhaz says that his father died. He doesn't say how and if he was killed because of political affiliations. Are you extrapolating from the little Minhaz said or do you have more information than what you offered here?</p> <p>Minhaz should be allowed to stay in the country because amnesty is given to millions like him every year and he has every right to be here. He didn't chose to come here, and as a child of an illegal, he should get amnesty.</p> I always enjoy your posts, Taz. I am curious why you say that his father was killed/murdered for his political beliefs when in the interview Minhaz says that his father died. He doesn’t say how and if he was killed because of political affiliations. Are you extrapolating from the little Minhaz said or do you have more information than what you offered here?

Minhaz should be allowed to stay in the country because amnesty is given to millions like him every year and he has every right to be here. He didn’t chose to come here, and as a child of an illegal, he should get amnesty.

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By: PeoplesRepublicOfDravidNadu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/11/22/the-undocumented-story-of-minhaz-khan/comment-page-1/#comment-287379 PeoplesRepublicOfDravidNadu Wed, 23 Nov 2011 01:16:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/?p=7833#comment-287379 <p>How come his dad couldn't get amnesty in India, UAE, kuwait, or some other oil-rich nation which employs a lot of Desis?</p> <p>Although Minhaz is a very nice, intelligent, and value-added person in the USA, a rule is still a rule. His dad broke a rule and put his own family at risk. I believe that they should get punished some how, bu I don't know what should be done to punish them, but I do think that if we give amnesty to 1,000,000s of S.Americans, we can accommodate this family.</p> <p>Finally, I know many Sikhs who've applied for amnesty. I don't believe in most of the amnesty cases. If you're really in trouble, you'll even try to immigrate to Peru, Venezuela, Poland, or Malaysia.</p> <p>Readers, how would YOU deal with illegal immigration?</p> How come his dad couldn’t get amnesty in India, UAE, kuwait, or some other oil-rich nation which employs a lot of Desis?

Although Minhaz is a very nice, intelligent, and value-added person in the USA, a rule is still a rule. His dad broke a rule and put his own family at risk. I believe that they should get punished some how, bu I don’t know what should be done to punish them, but I do think that if we give amnesty to 1,000,000s of S.Americans, we can accommodate this family.

Finally, I know many Sikhs who’ve applied for amnesty. I don’t believe in most of the amnesty cases. If you’re really in trouble, you’ll even try to immigrate to Peru, Venezuela, Poland, or Malaysia.

Readers, how would YOU deal with illegal immigration?

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