Comments on: On Being Othered in an Enlightened Elevator http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/07/28/on_being_othere/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: flygirl http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/07/28/on_being_othere/comment-page-1/#comment-286077 flygirl Thu, 18 Aug 2011 04:13:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6610#comment-286077 <p>Ah,Anna,I feel your pain. Just a few days ago I was buying jewellery and trying it on,and the lovely lady says - "Oh, you have such beautiful skin. All that jewellery looks so beautiful on you. I wish I had dark skin, everything looks so beautiful on it.." Um.Thanks.I think.</p> Ah,Anna,I feel your pain. Just a few days ago I was buying jewellery and trying it on,and the lovely lady says – “Oh, you have such beautiful skin. All that jewellery looks so beautiful on you. I wish I had dark skin, everything looks so beautiful on it..” Um.Thanks.I think.

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By: anan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/07/28/on_being_othere/comment-page-1/#comment-286015 anan Sat, 13 Aug 2011 19:40:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6610#comment-286015 <p>I'll bet this was woman was a liberal or some left leaning individual. Those are some of the most racialists minded people you can find. They are always trying to categorize non-white groups based on vain and superficial nonsense.</p> I’ll bet this was woman was a liberal or some left leaning individual. Those are some of the most racialists minded people you can find. They are always trying to categorize non-white groups based on vain and superficial nonsense.

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By: Nishma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/07/28/on_being_othere/comment-page-1/#comment-286002 Nishma Thu, 11 Aug 2011 20:50:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6610#comment-286002 <p>"Where is the origin of skin of like that?" WTF?? "I would never have guessed." WTF...AGAIN!! It's not a compliment and it's no business of hers. I wish you had been you lethal self. Sorry you encountered this while you were sick.</p> “Where is the origin of skin of like that?” WTF?? “I would never have guessed.” WTF…AGAIN!! It’s not a compliment and it’s no business of hers. I wish you had been you lethal self. Sorry you encountered this while you were sick.

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By: echs_one http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/07/28/on_being_othere/comment-page-1/#comment-285981 echs_one Wed, 10 Aug 2011 22:38:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6610#comment-285981 <p>Reminds me of someone yelling "COOL TAN, DUDE" while i'm waiting in line to use the diving board at local pool...</p> Reminds me of someone yelling “COOL TAN, DUDE” while i’m waiting in line to use the diving board at local pool…

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By: NotMe http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/07/28/on_being_othere/comment-page-1/#comment-285964 NotMe Tue, 09 Aug 2011 09:37:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6610#comment-285964 <p>Anna, it can hurt to be othered the way you were. Right there in your own office building, in the nation's capital. Still, there's something in the old saw that nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. But there's also genuine curiosity. Just the other day, I was in a bank, where one of the teller's names was 'Ama'. It looked like it said 'Anna', and she looked a lot like someone who could be 'Anna', and I just had to ask her, as nicely and by-the-way as I could muster, 'Ama. So where's that from?' And she said 'Kenya'. And I'd never have thought that at all. But lots of Kenyans, Ethiopians, Somalis look like Malayalees, and vice-versa. Now I know.</p> <p>And similarly, many, many Iranians, Baluchis, Sindhis, and even Armenians, to say nothing of Greeks, look like Malayalees too. I mean in terms of features, and in terms of skin color. The Arabian Sea littoral is quite mixed up that way.</p> <p>On that subject, I wanted to ask in the other, now closed, thread - I know several South Asian young women in America (both 1G and 2G) who use a certain kind of make-up that they apply all over their body. I don't think it is F&L - it doesn't make your skin 'fair', it's just make-up, except they apply it all over their body, and every so often they have to shower, or it wears off eventually, and suddenly you can see them in their true colors, er ahem. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?</p> Anna, it can hurt to be othered the way you were. Right there in your own office building, in the nation’s capital. Still, there’s something in the old saw that nobody can make you feel inferior without your permission. But there’s also genuine curiosity. Just the other day, I was in a bank, where one of the teller’s names was ‘Ama’. It looked like it said ‘Anna’, and she looked a lot like someone who could be ‘Anna’, and I just had to ask her, as nicely and by-the-way as I could muster, ‘Ama. So where’s that from?’ And she said ‘Kenya’. And I’d never have thought that at all. But lots of Kenyans, Ethiopians, Somalis look like Malayalees, and vice-versa. Now I know.

And similarly, many, many Iranians, Baluchis, Sindhis, and even Armenians, to say nothing of Greeks, look like Malayalees too. I mean in terms of features, and in terms of skin color. The Arabian Sea littoral is quite mixed up that way.

On that subject, I wanted to ask in the other, now closed, thread – I know several South Asian young women in America (both 1G and 2G) who use a certain kind of make-up that they apply all over their body. I don’t think it is F&L – it doesn’t make your skin ‘fair’, it’s just make-up, except they apply it all over their body, and every so often they have to shower, or it wears off eventually, and suddenly you can see them in their true colors, er ahem. Does anyone know what I’m talking about?

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By: chandru http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/07/28/on_being_othere/comment-page-1/#comment-285879 chandru Wed, 03 Aug 2011 03:37:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6610#comment-285879 <p>What surprises me is the element of surprise at what are, basically tactless and intrusive comments. Racism is way too easily invoked, this case is hardly thate. Thinking you may be Iranian is enough to make you 'sick?'. There's no evidence that the woman was looking down at the poster or even stereotyping her</p> <p>And having visited India many times with my (white) girlfriend and (white) wife, the level of comments about hair, skin, marital and childless status beggars imagination. Were either of them surprised and a little uncomfortable at times?...yes. Were they offended and "other-ed"? Sickened? Hardly.</p> <p>Look, there are intrusive and inappropriate people everywhere. Depending on the circumstances and exact behavior, it's easy to slough it off most of the time (drunks in bars excepted.)</p> What surprises me is the element of surprise at what are, basically tactless and intrusive comments. Racism is way too easily invoked, this case is hardly thate. Thinking you may be Iranian is enough to make you ‘sick?’. There’s no evidence that the woman was looking down at the poster or even stereotyping her

And having visited India many times with my (white) girlfriend and (white) wife, the level of comments about hair, skin, marital and childless status beggars imagination. Were either of them surprised and a little uncomfortable at times?…yes. Were they offended and “other-ed”? Sickened? Hardly.

Look, there are intrusive and inappropriate people everywhere. Depending on the circumstances and exact behavior, it’s easy to slough it off most of the time (drunks in bars excepted.)

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By: Gur Manhas http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/07/28/on_being_othere/comment-page-1/#comment-285876 Gur Manhas Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:15:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6610#comment-285876 <p>What brown person hasn't had a conversation like this - either based on their name or looks ? Sucks to have to deal with that type of social sickness when you're already feeling horrible.</p> <p>Reminds me of the term 'colourblind' - usually people who say they're colourblind are white, because people of colour don't exactly have the same privilege of growing up and never, ever dealing with situations or discussions like these where their skin colour wasn't a factor. We don't really get to be colourblind.</p> <p>Hell, when I visited Georgia years ago I was told that I didn't 'look Canadian'. Funny thing was, most of the people with me on the trip were minorities.</p> What brown person hasn’t had a conversation like this – either based on their name or looks ? Sucks to have to deal with that type of social sickness when you’re already feeling horrible.

Reminds me of the term ‘colourblind’ – usually people who say they’re colourblind are white, because people of colour don’t exactly have the same privilege of growing up and never, ever dealing with situations or discussions like these where their skin colour wasn’t a factor. We don’t really get to be colourblind.

Hell, when I visited Georgia years ago I was told that I didn’t ‘look Canadian’. Funny thing was, most of the people with me on the trip were minorities.

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By: College Student http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/07/28/on_being_othere/comment-page-1/#comment-285869 College Student Mon, 01 Aug 2011 21:24:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6610#comment-285869 <p>Hey Anna,</p> <p>I know this is completely unrelated to your post but I had to say it: Is that a picture of you? If it is, then you look so cute!</p> Hey Anna,

I know this is completely unrelated to your post but I had to say it: Is that a picture of you? If it is, then you look so cute!

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By: KXB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/07/28/on_being_othere/comment-page-1/#comment-285863 KXB Mon, 01 Aug 2011 00:09:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6610#comment-285863 <p>Lindsey,</p> <p>Interesting story. While I have had my own stories of people trying to place my background (mostly in a harm-less manner), I would not have thought about your experiences. While it is not the same, I know of a number of people from the South, who can turn their accent on or off, depending on their social circle. They would sometimes be viewed with curiosity when attending college in Chicago, New York, or Philadelphia. Growing up in a mostly Italian neighborhood, some of the worst teasing I saw was directed at kids who were dark-complexioned, while the kids of Italian-Irish marriages would often seem to be complimented on their fair skin. Not as explicitly as in an Indian family, but more along the lines of "Don't stay out in the sun too long. You don't want to burn that lovely skin.".</p> Lindsey,

Interesting story. While I have had my own stories of people trying to place my background (mostly in a harm-less manner), I would not have thought about your experiences. While it is not the same, I know of a number of people from the South, who can turn their accent on or off, depending on their social circle. They would sometimes be viewed with curiosity when attending college in Chicago, New York, or Philadelphia. Growing up in a mostly Italian neighborhood, some of the worst teasing I saw was directed at kids who were dark-complexioned, while the kids of Italian-Irish marriages would often seem to be complimented on their fair skin. Not as explicitly as in an Indian family, but more along the lines of “Don’t stay out in the sun too long. You don’t want to burn that lovely skin.”.

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By: Dkafir http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/07/28/on_being_othere/comment-page-1/#comment-285862 Dkafir Mon, 01 Aug 2011 00:05:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6610#comment-285862 <p>In the spirit of making lemonade from lemons, I often use the colour of the skin to start a conversation with PYTs, surprising how well they respond to "correct me if i'm wrong but are you middle eastern"</p> In the spirit of making lemonade from lemons, I often use the colour of the skin to start a conversation with PYTs, surprising how well they respond to “correct me if i’m wrong but are you middle eastern”

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