Comments on: Forgotten memories of being desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/18/forgotten_memor/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Razib Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/18/forgotten_memor/comment-page-1/#comment-285019 Razib Khan Sun, 26 Jun 2011 23:43:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6581#comment-285019 <p>and please note, i do check the threads of my posts on this weblog. that's one reason i close them after a few weeks, as i don't want to keeping monitoring an open ended number of threads.</p> and please note, i do check the threads of my posts on this weblog. that’s one reason i close them after a few weeks, as i don’t want to keeping monitoring an open ended number of threads.

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By: Razib Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/18/forgotten_memor/comment-page-1/#comment-285018 Razib Khan Sun, 26 Jun 2011 23:42:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6581#comment-285018 <p>tx for reminding me!</p> tx for reminding me!

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By: brownie_pts http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/18/forgotten_memor/comment-page-1/#comment-285017 brownie_pts Sun, 26 Jun 2011 23:37:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6581#comment-285017 <p>A Razib post that's missing his last "I'm bored - closing the comments" comment? Wow. :-)</p> A Razib post that’s missing his last “I’m bored – closing the comments” comment? Wow. :-)

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By: suma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/18/forgotten_memor/comment-page-1/#comment-284908 suma Mon, 20 Jun 2011 23:07:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6581#comment-284908 <p>My friend's restaurant once hosted a group of American "Roma" after one of their funerals. The "petty thievery" is for real. If he hadn't kept an eagle eye out, they would have stripped the place. For some reason they ate all the deserts and left the rest of the food. I don't know if that was custom, ritual or they just didn't like the cuisine.They even threw food on the walls which they said was a ritual. They paid extra for that privilege, which has absolutely no background in any desi culture. Maybe they picked it up from the Greeks throwing glasses into the fire. Oh, and they had said when they reserved the room that they were "Greek."</p> My friend’s restaurant once hosted a group of American “Roma” after one of their funerals. The “petty thievery” is for real. If he hadn’t kept an eagle eye out, they would have stripped the place. For some reason they ate all the deserts and left the rest of the food. I don’t know if that was custom, ritual or they just didn’t like the cuisine.They even threw food on the walls which they said was a ritual. They paid extra for that privilege, which has absolutely no background in any desi culture. Maybe they picked it up from the Greeks throwing glasses into the fire. Oh, and they had said when they reserved the room that they were “Greek.”

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By: Varun Shekhar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/18/forgotten_memor/comment-page-1/#comment-284901 Varun Shekhar Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:39:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6581#comment-284901 <p>Elvis Presley and Michael Caine are reputed to be Gypsy by origin. There are several more cases of famous people we didn't know were Gypsy.</p> Elvis Presley and Michael Caine are reputed to be Gypsy by origin. There are several more cases of famous people we didn’t know were Gypsy.

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By: my_dog_jagat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/18/forgotten_memor/comment-page-1/#comment-284900 my_dog_jagat Mon, 20 Jun 2011 14:18:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6581#comment-284900 <p>" father christmas flies in from his grotto in jullundur - indian!"</p> <p>khuswant singh is the best santa-look-alike I know of. But seriously, some old sikh men are oh so chrismassy.</p> ” father christmas flies in from his grotto in jullundur – indian!”

khuswant singh is the best santa-look-alike I know of. But seriously, some old sikh men are oh so chrismassy.

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By: Razib Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/18/forgotten_memor/comment-page-1/#comment-284898 Razib Khan Mon, 20 Jun 2011 04:06:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6581#comment-284898 <p><i>but what do you think are the greater implications of knowing that genes from the subcontinent were dispersed elsewhere</i></p> <p>i think it is a <b>general</b> and not <b>south asian</b> issue. there is a natural and useful tendency to bracket cultural and genetic variation in the "chunks" which we're familiar with. and that is fine, and there isn't going to be too much intermarriage to really diminish the big chunks which exist today. but, a substantial proportion of the world's population in the near future will be more like the cape coloureds, a bit of all sorts of "incongruous" components. to give an explicit example, barack obama's half-sister sister on his mother's side is half-indonesian and married to a chinese canadian. he has a half-brother on his father's side who lives in china and is married to a chinese woman. this sort of family tree is not that uncommon among the "global elite" (e.g., rupert murdoch has half-chinese children, and 1/4 ghananian grandchildren, etc.).</p> <p>in terms of what it is brown/desi, there is a parochial and narrow aspect which is important, significant, and will remain demographically dominant. but, in terms of what is brown/desi for diasporic people it is going to be more "mixed up." more "dougla" as a triniadian would put it. the categories and contexts will multiply, and dualisms will break down, because they won't be useful.</p> <p>as for being an "uncle-type," people who are familiar with me will know that wasn't my intent. but i contribute to a <a href="http://www.razib.com/">lot of blogs</a>, so i can't exactly take the time to contextualize everything about my background constantly :-) <b>people will take different things from the same post, and that's fine actually,</b> but i do demand that they not impute back to me their own interpretation of intent. you can <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/19/us/19beliefs.html">find out</a> <a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/g/a/2011/06/17/apop061711.DTL">about me</a> pretty easily, so there's no need to guess that much. my own children are going to be half-brownz, and i count many of that kind as friends, so i have a particular interest in issues of hybridity.</p> but what do you think are the greater implications of knowing that genes from the subcontinent were dispersed elsewhere

i think it is a general and not south asian issue. there is a natural and useful tendency to bracket cultural and genetic variation in the “chunks” which we’re familiar with. and that is fine, and there isn’t going to be too much intermarriage to really diminish the big chunks which exist today. but, a substantial proportion of the world’s population in the near future will be more like the cape coloureds, a bit of all sorts of “incongruous” components. to give an explicit example, barack obama’s half-sister sister on his mother’s side is half-indonesian and married to a chinese canadian. he has a half-brother on his father’s side who lives in china and is married to a chinese woman. this sort of family tree is not that uncommon among the “global elite” (e.g., rupert murdoch has half-chinese children, and 1/4 ghananian grandchildren, etc.).

in terms of what it is brown/desi, there is a parochial and narrow aspect which is important, significant, and will remain demographically dominant. but, in terms of what is brown/desi for diasporic people it is going to be more “mixed up.” more “dougla” as a triniadian would put it. the categories and contexts will multiply, and dualisms will break down, because they won’t be useful.

as for being an “uncle-type,” people who are familiar with me will know that wasn’t my intent. but i contribute to a lot of blogs, so i can’t exactly take the time to contextualize everything about my background constantly :-) people will take different things from the same post, and that’s fine actually, but i do demand that they not impute back to me their own interpretation of intent. you can find out about me pretty easily, so there’s no need to guess that much. my own children are going to be half-brownz, and i count many of that kind as friends, so i have a particular interest in issues of hybridity.

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By: Neil Bhatt http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/18/forgotten_memor/comment-page-1/#comment-284897 Neil Bhatt Mon, 20 Jun 2011 03:49:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6581#comment-284897 <p>This is too weird...I was just reading about Charlie Chaplin's Romanichal ancestry yesterday. Learned some interesting stuff about angloromani-the British "gypsy" dialect. For example, 'jaw ta puch tiri pen" means "go and ask your sister." Compare with guju "jau tu puch tari ben ne" (via wikipedia). Some interesting etymology too. English "dad" is actually a gypsy loanword, based on north indian Dada. Gibberish come from Jeeb (tongue).</p> This is too weird…I was just reading about Charlie Chaplin’s Romanichal ancestry yesterday. Learned some interesting stuff about angloromani-the British “gypsy” dialect. For example, ‘jaw ta puch tiri pen” means “go and ask your sister.” Compare with guju “jau tu puch tari ben ne” (via wikipedia). Some interesting etymology too. English “dad” is actually a gypsy loanword, based on north indian Dada. Gibberish come from Jeeb (tongue).

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By: Maria http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/18/forgotten_memor/comment-page-1/#comment-284896 Maria Mon, 20 Jun 2011 03:33:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6581#comment-284896 <p>What do you mean by "combinations generate novel startling configurations?" Combinations/configurations of genes, or identities? Even if you're referring to both, what makes them "startling?" It's important to document and appreciate the travel of gene pools, but what do you think are the greater implications of knowing that genes from the subcontinent were dispersed elsewhere?</p> <p>Yes, genes dispersed. Funtastic. To each their own conclusion on the significance of Chaplin and Ms. Rapace having some Indian in them. They might just be as Indian as I am Arab and Caucasian. Initially, your post came off to me like an uncle-like attempt to include famous folks in the cultural group, but I know that's not at all what you're going for. It's good to know that folks mixed. Warm and fuzzy, yes, we are more alike than different. Here's to havin good lookin babies.</p> What do you mean by “combinations generate novel startling configurations?” Combinations/configurations of genes, or identities? Even if you’re referring to both, what makes them “startling?” It’s important to document and appreciate the travel of gene pools, but what do you think are the greater implications of knowing that genes from the subcontinent were dispersed elsewhere?

Yes, genes dispersed. Funtastic. To each their own conclusion on the significance of Chaplin and Ms. Rapace having some Indian in them. They might just be as Indian as I am Arab and Caucasian. Initially, your post came off to me like an uncle-like attempt to include famous folks in the cultural group, but I know that’s not at all what you’re going for. It’s good to know that folks mixed. Warm and fuzzy, yes, we are more alike than different. Here’s to havin good lookin babies.

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By: Razib Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/18/forgotten_memor/comment-page-1/#comment-284895 Razib Khan Mon, 20 Jun 2011 02:52:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6581#comment-284895 <p>1) please read the whole post if you are going to comment</p> <p>2) don't impute intent upon me</p> <p>otherwise i'll just delete your comment when i see it.</p> <p>(if you complain about this policy, i'm going to delete that too)</p> 1) please read the whole post if you are going to comment

2) don’t impute intent upon me

otherwise i’ll just delete your comment when i see it.

(if you complain about this policy, i’m going to delete that too)

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