You keep posting as PG, which I understood to be the old Pardesi Gori. Since you apparently are not, based on your last post, then I have even less patience for your pointless posturing about interracial couples. If you could comprehend the english language without much difficulty, you would see that I have not condemned interracial couples anywhere.

What I did say was that people who blanket demonize the opposite gender of their own to rationalize ulterior motives in the pursuit of select relationships are condemnable. This is something that, anecdata or not, does and has happened to indian american males on rare but notable occasions. Even if someone prefers their own or another ethnicity, they still have an obligation to treat other people as human beings and politely brush them off, rather than stare contemptuously as though they were observing an anthropology exhibit or declare outright in condescension that they don’t date men of their culture. Apparently you don’t believe in etiquette or manners; otherwise, you’d see the logic of that. You however posted this in an attempt to grandstand:

“My position has been that since I don’t claim to know what’s going on with every desi, or even most desis, I’m not going to go around insulting people by claiming to know what motivates their love lives (even though, if I went by “what my [particular race] friends tell me,” I could say nasty things about men and women of every race). I figure the desi men I know who have married white women fell in love, and the desi women who married white men did the same, and I wish them all the best in negotiating the additional difficulties attendant upon marrying someone who may have been raised with different cultural norms”

as well as injected Rep. Weiner’s Jewish heritage rather ridiculously into a discussion with me that you started:

“Also, Jews historically were NOT treated as white, and I hope you have better sense than to play Oppression Olympics with that particular race/religion, because you’re going to lose badly.”

Yes, because I was so dying to play Oppression Olympics. The Dotbusters louge is actually my favorite event…Sochi 2014?

So you see my dear, you can understand why I might find this a rather tiresome and ridiculous exercise.

Regarding everything else:

All you need has already been provided above. Not terribly concerned with validation from you–especially given your inability to internalize what my initial posts were actually about or provide counterevidence for that matter. Unless you have some new discussion points for an already pointless discussion, I believe our time is up. Good day.

This is relevant to country clubs… how? When did you mention racial profiling by police in this discussion?

I am not faulting you or even ascribing ulterior motives here, because people genuinely do fall in love in spite of all things (methinks the need to defend your own personal relationship is blinding you to the fact that my comments are not actually directed towards you. you are conflating your life choice–which I imagine from your defensiveness was sincere– with the life choice that some people make that is not sincere or genuine).

All I can say to this is: huh? What exactly is it that you think you know about me?

You asked for documentation and a bibliography–both are there if you care to read rather than obfuscate. Please stop wasting my time.

You gave one link, which in turn cites some books and articles along with data about rates of racially endogamous marriage. Seriously, if you can point out what in that link provides empirical evidence for your statements about women of color’s out-marrying for the purpose of higher socioeconomic status, I will concede that I failed to read and that you have indeed done what I requested.

There are two kinds of married men – the ones who have had a fling outside marriage and the ones who haven’t yet had the opportunity…I said this about Nikky Haley last year when some prudes were shivering with rage,…and will say it now…as long as these escapades – real or alleged – don’t come in the way of their public work (some flunky in Wisc.) or run foul of the law, (John Ensign and The Family) or aren’t covered up in veneers of hypocrisy, (Newt Gingrich) it is no one’s floody bucking business.

My comment was also obviously tongue-in-cheek, though I assumed Neelkanth was serious. Sorry to get you all hot and bothered Sepia Mutineers!

My comments about race and dating, as I specifically noted above, were not directed towards Huma Abedin, but to Anonymous Hippo, before this became a free-for-all. I’m not sure why you think you’re being informative with your comments about WASPs vs. Jews. I am aware full well of the severe anti-semitism that Jews–esp in new jersey–faced. But in the larger culture, people still see a “white man”. Louis C.K., himself of jewish descent, has a whole bit built around being white. Just as there are different groups among people from the indian subcontinent, there are among “whites” as well. This does not necessarily change general perceptions.

The fact that we, from the outside looking in, identify them all as “goras” doesn’t make them a collective bunch. There is a huge difference between what the US Census calls “Caucasian” and what is actually “White” in America. The Census also identifies Afghans as “Caucasian”, but my Afghan family sure as hell doesn’t identify as “White” either, we’re “brown” South Asians and that’s what we check off.
I can tell you that growing up in a very WASPy community with a small (Ashkenazi) Jewish population, that there was definitely a distinction held between “Whites” (aka Gentiles) and Jews. Because of political correctness, that distinction and the tensions that come with it are not mentioned frequently in public, but they definitely do exist. However, I do agree with Zach that this particular situation isn’t about race.

“”Monogamy with an occasional fling is preferable to me than a series of serious relationships with kids. “

Hmm Idk if I could identify this as a “fling”. His behavior comes across extremely creepy and predatory; he sent naked pics of himself to a 17 yr old girl. It’s not like he had a private affair with an adult woman his age.

It’s not, ask what the police racial profiles of various ethnic groups are and then get back to me.

“I figure the desi men I know who have married white women fell in love, and the desi women who married white men did the same, and I wish them all the best in negotiating the additional difficulties attendant upon marrying someone who may have been raised with different cultural norms. I’m not hating on anyone, not even unnamed “rare but notable occurrences.”

Please learn to read. For the umpteenth time, anyone who marries for love, where race and culture are incidental–hey, have a happy life. I am not faulting you or even ascribing ulterior motives here, because people genuinely do fall in love in spite of all things (methinks the need to defend your own personal relationship is blinding you to the fact that my comments are not actually directed towards you. you are conflating your life choice–which I imagine from your defensiveness was sincere– with the life choice that some people make that is not sincere or genuine). The rare but notable occurrence is still a real occurrence that, anecdata or not, people have experienced. This whole stupid debate started when Neelkanth Sharma cracked a joke (which he later clarified was meant to be tongue-in-cheek) which was followed by a remark by Anonymous Hippo which essentially stated that all indo men are wife-beating mama’s boys. So the choice is yours PG, do you want to continue to waste people’s time or will you just politely make the respectable, face-saving exit?

“If you think a half-dozen theories, none of which have even the empirical basis of a survey of exogamously-marrying Asians”

You asked for documentation and a bibliography–both are there if you care to read rather than obfuscate. Please stop wasting my time.