Comments on: Russell Peters: One freedom Americans don’t have http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/02/russell_peters_4/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: S.C.A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/02/russell_peters_4/comment-page-1/#comment-286714 S.C.A Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:41:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6566#comment-286714 <p>Ding ding ding but you're speaking on a forum full of nuts called "confused desi chutiyas"</p> Ding ding ding but you’re speaking on a forum full of nuts called “confused desi chutiyas”

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By: S.C.A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/02/russell_peters_4/comment-page-1/#comment-286713 S.C.A Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:40:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6566#comment-286713 <p>It was funny when those chinese guys beat this retard up.</p> It was funny when those chinese guys beat this retard up.

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By: S.C.A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/02/russell_peters_4/comment-page-1/#comment-286712 S.C.A Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:39:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6566#comment-286712 <p>Yup funny to lowest common denominator coconuts that browse these blogs.</p> Yup funny to lowest common denominator coconuts that browse these blogs.

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By: S.C.A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/02/russell_peters_4/comment-page-1/#comment-286711 S.C.A Sun, 25 Sep 2011 22:38:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6566#comment-286711 <p>If Russel Peters is "awesome" these ABCDs are more mentally retarded then i thought.</p> If Russel Peters is “awesome” these ABCDs are more mentally retarded then i thought.

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By: Varun Shekhar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/02/russell_peters_4/comment-page-1/#comment-285442 Varun Shekhar Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:26:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6566#comment-285442 <p>"Russell is basically saying that it is not what you say that matters but the spirit in which you say it."</p> <p>Very well said. You can tell from the context, that Russel Peter's father meant no offense whatsoever, when he used the term "Negro". It's just the word that popped up in his mind, naturally and harmlessly. Whereas a White person using that term often does so in a spirit of contempt, arrogance or condescension. As someone remarked, there are deep issues of history and power at play here. An Indian using the word simply doesn't have the hard edge or nastiness, that a White individual could have.</p> <p>Not going far off topic, I have noticed that Indo-Americans are more confident, self-assured, happy and serene, than Indo-Canadians. In Canada, Indians are part of the cold, staid, sluggish, and historically unfriendly, Canadian environment. This generally causes them to either be shy and withdrawn, or alternatively, to act up, and look obnoxious. Because of this unpleasant Canadian social environment, ethnic Indians are often sullen, resentful and judgemental toward other Indians. Whereas Indians in the US tend to blend in pretty well with the larger community, and while interacting with other Indians, are friendly, polite and warm. I had a direct experience of this recently while visiting Milwaukee, for the US Open table tennis championships. And on my other trips to the US. There are of course, going to be exceptions to the pattern of behaviour in both countries.But the general rule holds.</p> <p>Well, there's a plug for the US, at least on that particular issue!</p> “Russell is basically saying that it is not what you say that matters but the spirit in which you say it.”

Very well said. You can tell from the context, that Russel Peter’s father meant no offense whatsoever, when he used the term “Negro”. It’s just the word that popped up in his mind, naturally and harmlessly. Whereas a White person using that term often does so in a spirit of contempt, arrogance or condescension. As someone remarked, there are deep issues of history and power at play here. An Indian using the word simply doesn’t have the hard edge or nastiness, that a White individual could have.

Not going far off topic, I have noticed that Indo-Americans are more confident, self-assured, happy and serene, than Indo-Canadians. In Canada, Indians are part of the cold, staid, sluggish, and historically unfriendly, Canadian environment. This generally causes them to either be shy and withdrawn, or alternatively, to act up, and look obnoxious. Because of this unpleasant Canadian social environment, ethnic Indians are often sullen, resentful and judgemental toward other Indians. Whereas Indians in the US tend to blend in pretty well with the larger community, and while interacting with other Indians, are friendly, polite and warm. I had a direct experience of this recently while visiting Milwaukee, for the US Open table tennis championships. And on my other trips to the US. There are of course, going to be exceptions to the pattern of behaviour in both countries.But the general rule holds.

Well, there’s a plug for the US, at least on that particular issue!

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By: Christie http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/02/russell_peters_4/comment-page-1/#comment-284814 Christie Wed, 15 Jun 2011 23:18:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6566#comment-284814 <p>Yeah...the problem is when your friend's grandfather answers, "One of your nigger friends is here. You know, the one with the huge ass."</p> Yeah…the problem is when your friend’s grandfather answers, “One of your nigger friends is here. You know, the one with the huge ass.”

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By: James http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/02/russell_peters_4/comment-page-1/#comment-284781 James Tue, 14 Jun 2011 07:25:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6566#comment-284781 <p>Bill Maher could have said what he said on Canadian network television and would not have lost his show. Canadians generally have a higher tolerance for self-criticism (though much lower tolerance for criticism from outside), a higher tolerance for criticism of institutions, etc. We still have a royal family, so we're generally deferential (or apathetic) towards them and highly critical of politicians of all stripes in a way that Americans aren't generally. I remember that the general reaction I saw when a terrorist plot was revealed a few years ago to behead the Prime Minister, many Canadians sort of found it funny and were somewhat sympathetic to the terrorists' intentions...</p> <p>That said, Canadians focus very much culturally on 'niceness'. There are certain things you should or should not say. Form is very important, things like always saying good bye before you hang up, lots of little social rules like that where- generally speaking- Americans are less likely to stand on ceremony. There is some truth to what RP is saying but it's more complex than that, of course.</p> Bill Maher could have said what he said on Canadian network television and would not have lost his show. Canadians generally have a higher tolerance for self-criticism (though much lower tolerance for criticism from outside), a higher tolerance for criticism of institutions, etc. We still have a royal family, so we’re generally deferential (or apathetic) towards them and highly critical of politicians of all stripes in a way that Americans aren’t generally. I remember that the general reaction I saw when a terrorist plot was revealed a few years ago to behead the Prime Minister, many Canadians sort of found it funny and were somewhat sympathetic to the terrorists’ intentions…

That said, Canadians focus very much culturally on ‘niceness’. There are certain things you should or should not say. Form is very important, things like always saying good bye before you hang up, lots of little social rules like that where- generally speaking- Americans are less likely to stand on ceremony. There is some truth to what RP is saying but it’s more complex than that, of course.

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By: Orville Douglas http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/02/russell_peters_4/comment-page-1/#comment-284603 Orville Douglas Wed, 08 Jun 2011 02:46:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6566#comment-284603 <p>I also want to add I don't think Russell Peters has a right to tell black people whether we should accept the term negro or not. The word negro isn't as offensive as the other N word but it is still a word from an anterior time. Would Russell Peters like it if black people told South Asians to accept terms they find offensive? Just because Russell Peters is a man of colour he doesn't get a pass for his racism.</p> I also want to add I don’t think Russell Peters has a right to tell black people whether we should accept the term negro or not. The word negro isn’t as offensive as the other N word but it is still a word from an anterior time. Would Russell Peters like it if black people told South Asians to accept terms they find offensive? Just because Russell Peters is a man of colour he doesn’t get a pass for his racism.

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By: Orville Douglas http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/02/russell_peters_4/comment-page-1/#comment-284601 Orville Douglas Wed, 08 Jun 2011 02:40:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6566#comment-284601 <p>I don't think the current is like NPR at all. I am a Canadian and I think CBC sucks to be honest most of the programming is geared towards an older audience. It seems CBC forgets there is a population of Canadians under the age of thirty five. I agree with Russell that the Untied States is more conservative but I wonder if Russell is really looking at the deeper issue of power relations. Yes, Russell's father may call black people negroes BUT if a white person said that I am sure some blacks would be offended. I think it relates to power. Russell also gets away with making racial jokes because he is a man of colour. I mean look at Chris Rock he makes some racist jokes about white folks and nobody says anything. However, Sarah Silverman makes jokes about people of colour and people suddenly get very upset about it.</p> I don’t think the current is like NPR at all. I am a Canadian and I think CBC sucks to be honest most of the programming is geared towards an older audience. It seems CBC forgets there is a population of Canadians under the age of thirty five. I agree with Russell that the Untied States is more conservative but I wonder if Russell is really looking at the deeper issue of power relations. Yes, Russell’s father may call black people negroes BUT if a white person said that I am sure some blacks would be offended. I think it relates to power. Russell also gets away with making racial jokes because he is a man of colour. I mean look at Chris Rock he makes some racist jokes about white folks and nobody says anything. However, Sarah Silverman makes jokes about people of colour and people suddenly get very upset about it.

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/02/russell_peters_4/comment-page-1/#comment-284596 jyotsana Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:49:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6566#comment-284596 <p>John Pilger writes about a group of Soviet journalists who visited the US to interact with their counterparts. Summing up their impressions of the press the Soviets remarked how bland and uniform the US press seemed, with almost every outlet parroting the same line on every issue. Back in the USSR, they had to imprison and torture reporters to bend their while, while in the US it took nothing at all.</p> <p>Russell's got a point, even if he overdoes it.</p> John Pilger writes about a group of Soviet journalists who visited the US to interact with their counterparts. Summing up their impressions of the press the Soviets remarked how bland and uniform the US press seemed, with almost every outlet parroting the same line on every issue. Back in the USSR, they had to imprison and torture reporters to bend their while, while in the US it took nothing at all.

Russell’s got a point, even if he overdoes it.

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