Comments on: “First You Must Say Hello” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/01/first_you_must/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: ABCDturd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/01/first_you_must/comment-page-1/#comment-284547 ABCDturd Sat, 04 Jun 2011 22:32:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6564#comment-284547 <p>"Tariq Tapa is exasperated that Kashmir has served only as an exotic backdrop for Bollywood songs"</p> <p>Then that mulla faggot should've killed himself.</p> <p>Oh and this is old Kashmir you're talking about, the one before the pakistani invasion also those movies are decades OLD.</p> <p>Stupid ABCDs with zero knowledge of India have no right to:</p> <ol> <li>Touch them</li> <li>Even Talk about them (the movies, that is)</li> </ol> <p>OK, Brainwashed L-E-T beta?</p> “Tariq Tapa is exasperated that Kashmir has served only as an exotic backdrop for Bollywood songs”

Then that mulla faggot should’ve killed himself.

Oh and this is old Kashmir you’re talking about, the one before the pakistani invasion also those movies are decades OLD.

Stupid ABCDs with zero knowledge of India have no right to:

  1. Touch them
  2. Even Talk about them (the movies, that is)

OK, Brainwashed L-E-T beta?

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/01/first_you_must/comment-page-1/#comment-284504 RC Fri, 03 Jun 2011 16:11:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6564#comment-284504 <p>PAfD, Its only the old timers who would know what's the full form of your screen name acronym :-) Hope you are doing well !!!!</p> PAfD, Its only the old timers who would know what’s the full form of your screen name acronym :-) Hope you are doing well !!!!

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By: al_beruni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/01/first_you_must/comment-page-1/#comment-284490 al_beruni Fri, 03 Jun 2011 04:59:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6564#comment-284490 <p>Thanks, Blue, your response is just perfect, almost exactly along the lines that I had predicted.</p> <p>I have nothing more to say, the readers of this blog will now have a better insight of the mentality that you represent.</p> Thanks, Blue, your response is just perfect, almost exactly along the lines that I had predicted.

I have nothing more to say, the readers of this blog will now have a better insight of the mentality that you represent.

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By: Blue http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/01/first_you_must/comment-page-1/#comment-284477 Blue Thu, 02 Jun 2011 22:45:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6564#comment-284477 <p>My message to SM readers is simple; learn more about Kashmir & shed a light on this beautiful region, eclipsed by years of ethnic violence.</p> <p>Other point is that India is far from a perfect democracy it inspires to be. Majority Hindus rulers have blood on their hands, just like White Americans have of Native Indians & Blacks. Unless, majority of educated & progressive Hindus recognize that, real changes will not come. Religious extremism breeds hatred to start with, add caste & tribal system.....and you see ugly part of India. People like Modi (Muslim Riots), Tytler (Sikh Riots) should be in jails, not in power. I am glad to see extremism on decline in many parts of India, including BJP, Shiv Sena's popularity. After all, it took a Sikh to guide India out of darkness.</p> <p>Al-beruni: Sorry, common sense & history do not support the fact that average working people woke up one day & start killing, especially against majority rulers. It's like claiming blacks got together & start killing white folks in Philadelphia. Please post some credible links to support your claims. I am sure international organizations such as Amnesty International, Human Right watch must have documented these atrocities.</p> My message to SM readers is simple; learn more about Kashmir & shed a light on this beautiful region, eclipsed by years of ethnic violence.

Other point is that India is far from a perfect democracy it inspires to be. Majority Hindus rulers have blood on their hands, just like White Americans have of Native Indians & Blacks. Unless, majority of educated & progressive Hindus recognize that, real changes will not come. Religious extremism breeds hatred to start with, add caste & tribal system…..and you see ugly part of India. People like Modi (Muslim Riots), Tytler (Sikh Riots) should be in jails, not in power. I am glad to see extremism on decline in many parts of India, including BJP, Shiv Sena’s popularity. After all, it took a Sikh to guide India out of darkness.

Al-beruni: Sorry, common sense & history do not support the fact that average working people woke up one day & start killing, especially against majority rulers. It’s like claiming blacks got together & start killing white folks in Philadelphia. Please post some credible links to support your claims. I am sure international organizations such as Amnesty International, Human Right watch must have documented these atrocities.

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By: al_beruni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/01/first_you_must/comment-page-1/#comment-284466 al_beruni Thu, 02 Jun 2011 19:15:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6564#comment-284466 <p><b>Blue</b></p> <p>Your message perfectly illustrates the double standards of so-called liberals, full of evasion and denial, unwilling to accept that a hindu group can be attacked in india. You also believe that the govt of Jammu and Kashmir is "hindu" whereas in fact it is heavily populated by local people, including muslims.</p> <p>Not surprisingly, your so-called message of "freedom for indian minorities" ends with a denial of the fact that kashmiri muslims participated in the ethnic cleansing of hindus. This I know from my family members and there are many other eyewitness accounts. But I expected nothing else from a "friend of indian minorities". Perhaps in your next message you could reference "brahamanical fascism" or "chanakyan mindset" (both ethnic slurs) while pretending to lecture us on freedom.</p> <p><b>PAID</b> My point was that from 5% minority in 1980 we now have 0% minority. You are right that the older figures are confusing, but its worth keeping in mind that punjab was explicitly divided between india and pakistan whereas Kashmir was not.</p> Blue

Your message perfectly illustrates the double standards of so-called liberals, full of evasion and denial, unwilling to accept that a hindu group can be attacked in india. You also believe that the govt of Jammu and Kashmir is “hindu” whereas in fact it is heavily populated by local people, including muslims.

Not surprisingly, your so-called message of “freedom for indian minorities” ends with a denial of the fact that kashmiri muslims participated in the ethnic cleansing of hindus. This I know from my family members and there are many other eyewitness accounts. But I expected nothing else from a “friend of indian minorities”. Perhaps in your next message you could reference “brahamanical fascism” or “chanakyan mindset” (both ethnic slurs) while pretending to lecture us on freedom.

PAID My point was that from 5% minority in 1980 we now have 0% minority. You are right that the older figures are confusing, but its worth keeping in mind that punjab was explicitly divided between india and pakistan whereas Kashmir was not.

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By: PAfD http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/01/first_you_must/comment-page-1/#comment-284465 PAfD Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:35:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6564#comment-284465 <p>Al Bruni: Hindus have been ethnically cleansed from J&K and no one should dispute that. You can make this point without referring to misleading stats from 1941. How about this stat: Muslims were over 25% in areas to the East of Amritsar in Punjab. What is their number now in Indian Punjab. You get my point?</p> <p>Anyway, the ethnic cleansing of Hindus from the Valley is, of course, a human tragedy. The Kashmiri Muslims have to accept responsibility of this ethnic cleansing. Here is what some Kashmiri Muslims say: (1) The people driving out the Hindus were all Pakistani extremists. (2) The Indian Army did the ethnic cleaning in part to defame to azadi movement. (3) A lot of people left on their own because of the security situation and their Kashmiri Muslim neighbors did not want them to leave etc. (1) - (3) are all bull shit and the average Kashmiri Muslim needs to accept this fact.</p> <p>RC: Nice to see you are still hanging out here at SM.</p> Al Bruni: Hindus have been ethnically cleansed from J&K and no one should dispute that. You can make this point without referring to misleading stats from 1941. How about this stat: Muslims were over 25% in areas to the East of Amritsar in Punjab. What is their number now in Indian Punjab. You get my point?

Anyway, the ethnic cleansing of Hindus from the Valley is, of course, a human tragedy. The Kashmiri Muslims have to accept responsibility of this ethnic cleansing. Here is what some Kashmiri Muslims say: (1) The people driving out the Hindus were all Pakistani extremists. (2) The Indian Army did the ethnic cleaning in part to defame to azadi movement. (3) A lot of people left on their own because of the security situation and their Kashmiri Muslim neighbors did not want them to leave etc. (1) – (3) are all bull shit and the average Kashmiri Muslim needs to accept this fact.

RC: Nice to see you are still hanging out here at SM.

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By: Sulabh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/01/first_you_must/comment-page-1/#comment-284464 Sulabh Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:26:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6564#comment-284464 <p>"Please also understand that average Kashmiri Muslims did not conspire or participated in ethnic cleansing. It was a job of misguided Muslin youth, ISI & other religious nuts."</p> <p>Sure. Average Kashmiris are simply enjoying the fruits of the hardwork done by " misguided Muslin youth, ISI & other religious nuts.""</p> “Please also understand that average Kashmiri Muslims did not conspire or participated in ethnic cleansing. It was a job of misguided Muslin youth, ISI & other religious nuts.”

Sure. Average Kashmiris are simply enjoying the fruits of the hardwork done by ” misguided Muslin youth, ISI & other religious nuts.”"

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By: Blue http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/01/first_you_must/comment-page-1/#comment-284462 Blue Thu, 02 Jun 2011 18:02:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6564#comment-284462 <p>I just want to shine a spotlight on the fact that Indian government have miserably failed to protect minorities over the last decade & continue to do so. It has turned a blind eye to human right violations against minorities, including Sikhs, Muslims, Naxelites & others. Regular people just don’t wake up one day & become extremist. Most suffer neglect & abuse in the hands of majority rulers; which in this case are Hindus. Most Hindus get real uncomfortable talking about this, just as majority Chinese get uneasy about human right abuses in Tibet. If India is going to move forward as a democratic and secular nation, it must acknowledge wrong doings and learn from past mistakes. Otherwise there’s no difference between secular values of India vs China, as an example.</p> <p>Independent filmmakers should make more movies/documentaries about Kashmir, highlighting sufferings on both sides. All Kashmiris have been a pawn between Indian & Pakistani politics.</p> <p>To al-beruni: no one denies the suffering of Kashmiri pundits & others Hindus that have been misplaced & become refuges in their own country. Their story must also be told.</p> <p>"The local population and the local state govt conspired to participate in ethnic cleansing"</p> <p>Please also understand that average Kashmiri Muslims did not conspire or participated in ethnic cleansing. It was a job of misguided Muslin youth, ISI & other religious nuts.</p> I just want to shine a spotlight on the fact that Indian government have miserably failed to protect minorities over the last decade & continue to do so. It has turned a blind eye to human right violations against minorities, including Sikhs, Muslims, Naxelites & others. Regular people just don’t wake up one day & become extremist. Most suffer neglect & abuse in the hands of majority rulers; which in this case are Hindus. Most Hindus get real uncomfortable talking about this, just as majority Chinese get uneasy about human right abuses in Tibet. If India is going to move forward as a democratic and secular nation, it must acknowledge wrong doings and learn from past mistakes. Otherwise there’s no difference between secular values of India vs China, as an example.

Independent filmmakers should make more movies/documentaries about Kashmir, highlighting sufferings on both sides. All Kashmiris have been a pawn between Indian & Pakistani politics.

To al-beruni: no one denies the suffering of Kashmiri pundits & others Hindus that have been misplaced & become refuges in their own country. Their story must also be told.

“The local population and the local state govt conspired to participate in ethnic cleansing”

Please also understand that average Kashmiri Muslims did not conspire or participated in ethnic cleansing. It was a job of misguided Muslin youth, ISI & other religious nuts.

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By: my_dog_jagat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/01/first_you_must/comment-page-1/#comment-284459 my_dog_jagat Thu, 02 Jun 2011 17:12:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6564#comment-284459 <p>Blue: Arguably, one of most beautiful parts of Indian has bled over 18 years, yet you hardly hear outpour of sympathy or rage from average Indians.</p> <p>True blue. Just one nitpick, its not 18 years, more like 800-1000 years. That's how long ethnic cleansing in Kashmir has been going on for yet youn hardly hear outpour of sympathy and rage from average Indians.</p> Blue: Arguably, one of most beautiful parts of Indian has bled over 18 years, yet you hardly hear outpour of sympathy or rage from average Indians.

True blue. Just one nitpick, its not 18 years, more like 800-1000 years. That’s how long ethnic cleansing in Kashmir has been going on for yet youn hardly hear outpour of sympathy and rage from average Indians.

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By: nnn http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/06/01/first_you_must/comment-page-1/#comment-284458 nnn Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:54:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6564#comment-284458 <p>Oh, no, al-beruni, you are not a fanatic. Your story needs to be told as well. So what if your numbers are smaller than the Muslim numbers. It too is a human story.</p> <p>The relationships are something like this:</p> <pre><code> Kashmiri Hindu : small-sized underdog, struggling against the jackboots of the Kashmir Muslim Kashmiri Muslim : a medium-sized underdog struggling against the jackboots of the Indian state, but an aggressor to the Kashmiri Muslim Hindu from other parts of India: Apex predator, but with the fear that this apex predator position may not last </code></pre> <p>The Kashmiri Muslim is an underdog in one relationship, but an overdog in another. So we need all the stories, both Tariq's and yours. In fact, we even need the Hindu hardliner's story.</p> Oh, no, al-beruni, you are not a fanatic. Your story needs to be told as well. So what if your numbers are smaller than the Muslim numbers. It too is a human story.

The relationships are something like this:

     Kashmiri Hindu : small-sized underdog, struggling against the jackboots of the Kashmir Muslim
     Kashmiri Muslim : a medium-sized underdog struggling against the jackboots of the Indian state, but  an aggressor to the Kashmiri Muslim
     Hindu from other parts of India: Apex predator, but with the fear that this apex predator position may not last

The Kashmiri Muslim is an underdog in one relationship, but an overdog in another. So we need all the stories, both Tariq’s and yours. In fact, we even need the Hindu hardliner’s story.

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