Comments on: Why Are There No NY South Asian Electeds? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/24/an_interesting/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Varun Munjal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/24/an_interesting/comment-page-1/#comment-285959 Varun Munjal Sun, 07 Aug 2011 16:00:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6556#comment-285959 <p>Horus -</p> <p>I found what you wrote interesting. I agree that there is no robust South Asian identity but surely there is a Hindu identity? I'll add that I can't stand New York and believe a plausible explanation for the OP's question is that Hindus can do better than running for office in that shithole!</p> <ul> <li>Varun</li> </ul> Horus -

I found what you wrote interesting. I agree that there is no robust South Asian identity but surely there is a Hindu identity? I’ll add that I can’t stand New York and believe a plausible explanation for the OP’s question is that Hindus can do better than running for office in that shithole!

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By: Singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/24/an_interesting/comment-page-1/#comment-284453 Singh Thu, 02 Jun 2011 07:08:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6556#comment-284453 <p>Is Harvinder "harry" Singh Anand not considered an elected Mayor in New York? I am wondering what is being considered.</p> Is Harvinder “harry” Singh Anand not considered an elected Mayor in New York? I am wondering what is being considered.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/24/an_interesting/comment-page-1/#comment-284380 PG Fri, 27 May 2011 03:20:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6556#comment-284380 <p>Thanks for the link. Was there a reason you didn't disclose your prior affiliation with the subject of your interview (her having been on the board of the organization you founded) in that post?</p> <p>I was thinking Ms. Saujani might be particularly worth interviewing now after having completed her first electoral campaign so she could reflect on what might have helped her do better. You're saying there's a lack of access. What does she feel that she didn't have access to <i>because of</i> her being South Asian (rather than because of her being a relative NYC newcomer, without any prior electoral experience, whose whole career had been on Wall Street)?</p> Thanks for the link. Was there a reason you didn’t disclose your prior affiliation with the subject of your interview (her having been on the board of the organization you founded) in that post?

I was thinking Ms. Saujani might be particularly worth interviewing now after having completed her first electoral campaign so she could reflect on what might have helped her do better. You’re saying there’s a lack of access. What does she feel that she didn’t have access to because of her being South Asian (rather than because of her being a relative NYC newcomer, without any prior electoral experience, whose whole career had been on Wall Street)?

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By: Pravin Praveen http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/24/an_interesting/comment-page-1/#comment-284369 Pravin Praveen Wed, 25 May 2011 20:18:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6556#comment-284369 <p>Just when I was going to write a comment about who gives a damn about race in NYC, the NYPD comes through again with another gem. I just read that sidebar story about Krittika Biswas who was arrested without sufficient proof(really, they couldn't even pinpoint her IP address, just an approximate location!!!). She is an Indian teenager accused of a trivial crime and you would think they would have waited for a couple of days just to make sure she is the real culprit for sure before throwing a HIGH SCHOOLER into jail over a non physical crime. And the principal doesnt even care to send the real culprit to jail when they found out who did it. I would like to see Sepia do a feature blog item on this incident which is far more interesting than some of the recent items we have had on the main page.</p> Just when I was going to write a comment about who gives a damn about race in NYC, the NYPD comes through again with another gem. I just read that sidebar story about Krittika Biswas who was arrested without sufficient proof(really, they couldn’t even pinpoint her IP address, just an approximate location!!!). She is an Indian teenager accused of a trivial crime and you would think they would have waited for a couple of days just to make sure she is the real culprit for sure before throwing a HIGH SCHOOLER into jail over a non physical crime. And the principal doesnt even care to send the real culprit to jail when they found out who did it. I would like to see Sepia do a feature blog item on this incident which is far more interesting than some of the recent items we have had on the main page.

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By: Paul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/24/an_interesting/comment-page-1/#comment-284368 Paul Wed, 25 May 2011 18:10:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6556#comment-284368 <p>I agree with Horus. A brown face for it's own sake is dubious at best. Nikki Haley and Piyush Jindal in no way speak to or for me when it comes down to issues. A vaguely common ancestry (thanks, Razib) is not enough. Don't get me wrong, I fully encourage all brown folks to get involved and active, but pandering along pseudo-ethnic lines will ultimately result in internal fragmentation and seriously dirty tricks from the established machines in the country.</p> I agree with Horus. A brown face for it’s own sake is dubious at best. Nikki Haley and Piyush Jindal in no way speak to or for me when it comes down to issues. A vaguely common ancestry (thanks, Razib) is not enough. Don’t get me wrong, I fully encourage all brown folks to get involved and active, but pandering along pseudo-ethnic lines will ultimately result in internal fragmentation and seriously dirty tricks from the established machines in the country.

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By: Horus http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/24/an_interesting/comment-page-1/#comment-284365 Horus Wed, 25 May 2011 12:07:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6556#comment-284365 <p>The reasons they give for the identity/redistricting politics at play here such as "So having a person who looks like them who shares that new immigrant experience will help that person better represent the community" or "Needs like providing halal food in schools for Muslim immigrants, or vegetarian options, for Hindu immigrants" are totally lame.</p> <p>My advice to Americans with ancestral roots in the Indian subcontinent (this is the traditionally used term that's preferable to "South Asia" for referring to the geographic region in question): <b>do not fall for this "South Asian American" identity trap.</b></p> <p>Instead, freely and fully assimilate in the American society, contribute to it by excelling in your education, careers and businesses, and participate in the American political process (such as running for office) first and foremost as your own person and a proud American (but one who is also proud of and relates to his or her ancestral heritage from the Indian subcontinent at a personal level.)</p> <p>Besides, why would and why should Indian-Americans rush to share an identity with anti-America and anti-India Jihadists like Faisal Shahzad, Tahawwur Rana and "David Coleman Headly" (Daood Sayed Gilani), who are products/byproducts of the Pakistani regime's terrorism and never-ending obsession against India?</p> The reasons they give for the identity/redistricting politics at play here such as “So having a person who looks like them who shares that new immigrant experience will help that person better represent the community” or “Needs like providing halal food in schools for Muslim immigrants, or vegetarian options, for Hindu immigrants” are totally lame.

My advice to Americans with ancestral roots in the Indian subcontinent (this is the traditionally used term that’s preferable to “South Asia” for referring to the geographic region in question): do not fall for this “South Asian American” identity trap.

Instead, freely and fully assimilate in the American society, contribute to it by excelling in your education, careers and businesses, and participate in the American political process (such as running for office) first and foremost as your own person and a proud American (but one who is also proud of and relates to his or her ancestral heritage from the Indian subcontinent at a personal level.)

Besides, why would and why should Indian-Americans rush to share an identity with anti-America and anti-India Jihadists like Faisal Shahzad, Tahawwur Rana and “David Coleman Headly” (Daood Sayed Gilani), who are products/byproducts of the Pakistani regime’s terrorism and never-ending obsession against India?

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By: Satish Mohan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/24/an_interesting/comment-page-1/#comment-284364 Satish Mohan Wed, 25 May 2011 01:43:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6556#comment-284364 <p>Enlist <a href="http://www.satishmohan.com/">Satish Mohan</a>!</p> Enlist Satish Mohan!

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By: taz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/24/an_interesting/comment-page-1/#comment-284363 taz Tue, 24 May 2011 21:07:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6556#comment-284363 <p>"I think the most notable political run by a South Asian in NY was probably the challenge by Reshma Saujani in a Democratic Congressional primary last year. She's worth reading up on and maybe trying to interview if you're interested in South Asian politics in NYC."</p> <p>That's an ingenious idea. Oh wait, I already did.</p> <p>http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/006306.html</p> <p>She was on the board of the non-profit I started in 2003.</p> <p>The point is, it's not about local candidates - it's about the systems involved that keep South Asians from having access. And New York, w/ it's F-ed up state government that cat fights in their chambers and city politics that are literally run by a history of hundreds of years of political machine and old boy's network - that despite the large South Asian population, they have to work doubly hard to combat machine power. And sometimes they become the sellouts to the machine itself.</p> “I think the most notable political run by a South Asian in NY was probably the challenge by Reshma Saujani in a Democratic Congressional primary last year. She’s worth reading up on and maybe trying to interview if you’re interested in South Asian politics in NYC.”

That’s an ingenious idea. Oh wait, I already did.

http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/006306.html

She was on the board of the non-profit I started in 2003.

The point is, it’s not about local candidates – it’s about the systems involved that keep South Asians from having access. And New York, w/ it’s F-ed up state government that cat fights in their chambers and city politics that are literally run by a history of hundreds of years of political machine and old boy’s network – that despite the large South Asian population, they have to work doubly hard to combat machine power. And sometimes they become the sellouts to the machine itself.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/24/an_interesting/comment-page-1/#comment-284362 PG Tue, 24 May 2011 20:42:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6556#comment-284362 <p>192,209 people who identify as Asian Indian -- out of a population of what, 8 million?</p> <p>I think the most notable political run by a South Asian in NY was probably the challenge by Reshma Saujani in a Democratic Congressional primary last year. She's worth reading up on and maybe trying to interview if you're interested in South Asian politics in NYC. From what I understand, she seems to have figured out that it's hard to jump from a Wall Street career directly to being a Congresswoman, and since her primary loss has switched to a public service job. I suspect you'll see more of her now that she's working her way up the government ladder. I don't think this is a bad thing.</p> <p>Female politicians even in the vaunted western U.S. also put in years at obscure positions before hitting a national radar. Sarah Palin was on the city council of a tiny town for 5 years, then was its mayor for two terms. She failed in a bid for lieutenant-governor, but loyally campaigned for the guy who beat her because he was on the Republican ticket. She didn't come out of nowhere; she established herself among Alaskan Republicans (before switching to "I'm busting up the good ol' boys club" mode once she got appointed to a regulatory commission that allowed her to find out dirt on fellow Republicans -- hard to get to such a position unless you're initially trusted by the good ol' boys).</p> <p>Frankly, unless you have celebrity or money, it's very difficult anywhere in America to be elected to an important position without having spent some time in the political trenches. This tends to annoy people who want smaller government because they'd like to elect folks like Meg Whitman (who didn't even vote for most of her life) as "fresh voices" who will chop government down to what they deem an "efficient" size -- generally by privatizing as much as possible.</p> 192,209 people who identify as Asian Indian — out of a population of what, 8 million?

I think the most notable political run by a South Asian in NY was probably the challenge by Reshma Saujani in a Democratic Congressional primary last year. She’s worth reading up on and maybe trying to interview if you’re interested in South Asian politics in NYC. From what I understand, she seems to have figured out that it’s hard to jump from a Wall Street career directly to being a Congresswoman, and since her primary loss has switched to a public service job. I suspect you’ll see more of her now that she’s working her way up the government ladder. I don’t think this is a bad thing.

Female politicians even in the vaunted western U.S. also put in years at obscure positions before hitting a national radar. Sarah Palin was on the city council of a tiny town for 5 years, then was its mayor for two terms. She failed in a bid for lieutenant-governor, but loyally campaigned for the guy who beat her because he was on the Republican ticket. She didn’t come out of nowhere; she established herself among Alaskan Republicans (before switching to “I’m busting up the good ol’ boys club” mode once she got appointed to a regulatory commission that allowed her to find out dirt on fellow Republicans — hard to get to such a position unless you’re initially trusted by the good ol’ boys).

Frankly, unless you have celebrity or money, it’s very difficult anywhere in America to be elected to an important position without having spent some time in the political trenches. This tends to annoy people who want smaller government because they’d like to elect folks like Meg Whitman (who didn’t even vote for most of her life) as “fresh voices” who will chop government down to what they deem an “efficient” size — generally by privatizing as much as possible.

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By: Razib Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/24/an_interesting/comment-page-1/#comment-284361 Razib Khan Tue, 24 May 2011 20:03:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6556#comment-284361 <p><i>I think NYC’s politics are more “tribal” than other places, ironic for a melting pot, and ethnic voting blocks are a reality</i></p> <p>it's not just new york. much of the northeast has a more powerful institutional set of systems which channel political leaders up a set of defined ladders. in contrast, the american west is at the opposite extreme, with more focus on direct democracy, decentralization, and independent voting. this is the standard explanation for why the northeast has traditionally elected far fewer women than the west; women are less likely to be 'career politicians' who use the system to work their way up the ladder.</p> <p>btw, count me against tribal politics. i am against the majority-minority districts too...even though they help republicans by district packing democrat voters (i'm republican for readers who don't know).</p> I think NYC’s politics are more “tribal” than other places, ironic for a melting pot, and ethnic voting blocks are a reality

it’s not just new york. much of the northeast has a more powerful institutional set of systems which channel political leaders up a set of defined ladders. in contrast, the american west is at the opposite extreme, with more focus on direct democracy, decentralization, and independent voting. this is the standard explanation for why the northeast has traditionally elected far fewer women than the west; women are less likely to be ‘career politicians’ who use the system to work their way up the ladder.

btw, count me against tribal politics. i am against the majority-minority districts too…even though they help republicans by district packing democrat voters (i’m republican for readers who don’t know).

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