Comments on: Tiger Moms raising Paper Tigers? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/10/tiger_moms_rais/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: 2395233420@qq.com http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/10/tiger_moms_rais/comment-page-1/#comment-288692 2395233420@qq.com Wed, 07 Mar 2012 06:50:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6537#comment-288692 <p>nike air max, air max shoes, air max 90, air max 2012 , nike air max shoes 2012, air max 360</p> nike air max, air max shoes, air max 90, air max 2012 , nike air max shoes 2012, air max 360

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By: Malik http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/10/tiger_moms_rais/comment-page-1/#comment-284288 Malik Sun, 22 May 2011 04:07:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6537#comment-284288 <p>Sorry, the desi population in Queens is a little over 5%. I think the desi population for NYC as a whole might be even less than 5% which would mean an even greater overrepresentation at Stuy.</p> Sorry, the desi population in Queens is a little over 5%. I think the desi population for NYC as a whole might be even less than 5% which would mean an even greater overrepresentation at Stuy.

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By: Radhika http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/10/tiger_moms_rais/comment-page-1/#comment-284071 Radhika Sun, 15 May 2011 06:41:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6537#comment-284071 <p>Sorry about the double post, I'm replying specifically to this comment.</p> <p>Here's the deal - <b>even if we go back, we're still foreign. If we stay, then we're still kind of foreign.</b> You can either bitch about it, accept it, or do something about it. That's the whole point behind every Jhumpa Lahiri novel, every angsty post and comment on this blog, is our ultimate lack of belonging. It's not necessarily a bad thing - it's just the way the cookie crumbles.</p> Sorry about the double post, I’m replying specifically to this comment.

Here’s the deal – even if we go back, we’re still foreign. If we stay, then we’re still kind of foreign. You can either bitch about it, accept it, or do something about it. That’s the whole point behind every Jhumpa Lahiri novel, every angsty post and comment on this blog, is our ultimate lack of belonging. It’s not necessarily a bad thing – it’s just the way the cookie crumbles.

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By: Radhika http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/10/tiger_moms_rais/comment-page-1/#comment-284070 Radhika Sun, 15 May 2011 06:39:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6537#comment-284070 <p>Is this an article about Asian-Americans in general or Asian-American masculinity? I have a serious problem with an article that claims to represent an entire swath of people yet excludes women. Of course, Asian-American women (and South Asian-American women) are subject to different stereotypes and experiences, but they are still Asian. Don't get it twisted, folks - this article is very specifically about East Asian-American men in New York City.</p> <p><i>The dissatisfaction among Asian men hopefully can drive them back to the greener pastures of their motherland, where they will be better appreciated, and help their homeland to develop faster.</i></p> <p>Here's the deal - <b>even if we go back, we're still foreign. If we stay, then we're still kind of foreign.</b> You can either bitch about it, accept it, or do something about it. That's the whole point behind every Jhumpa Lahiri novel, every angsty post and comment on this blog, is our ultimate lack of belonging. It's not necessarily a bad thing - it's just the way the cookie crumbles.</p> Is this an article about Asian-Americans in general or Asian-American masculinity? I have a serious problem with an article that claims to represent an entire swath of people yet excludes women. Of course, Asian-American women (and South Asian-American women) are subject to different stereotypes and experiences, but they are still Asian. Don’t get it twisted, folks – this article is very specifically about East Asian-American men in New York City.

The dissatisfaction among Asian men hopefully can drive them back to the greener pastures of their motherland, where they will be better appreciated, and help their homeland to develop faster.

Here’s the deal – even if we go back, we’re still foreign. If we stay, then we’re still kind of foreign. You can either bitch about it, accept it, or do something about it. That’s the whole point behind every Jhumpa Lahiri novel, every angsty post and comment on this blog, is our ultimate lack of belonging. It’s not necessarily a bad thing – it’s just the way the cookie crumbles.

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By: Shankar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/10/tiger_moms_rais/comment-page-1/#comment-284037 Shankar Fri, 13 May 2011 23:58:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6537#comment-284037 <p>Alpha male Asian men can't get dates Insert 3 paragraphs on the Buddhist Movement in 18th century feudal Korea here. White masculinity ripping through swathes of Asian women You are a victim This happens all the time as my anecdotes demonstrate.... Women suppressed by the system Asians suppressed by the system You are a victim WASPS are deadly handsome Average White men don't like Average White women anymore Asian kids driven to succeed by Tiger moms You are a victim South Asians are the same as East Asians South Asians are not the same as East Asians Insert 4 paragraphs on Gene structure and correlation with penis size You are a victim Asians betraying America's R&D secrets</p> Alpha male Asian men can’t get dates Insert 3 paragraphs on the Buddhist Movement in 18th century feudal Korea here. White masculinity ripping through swathes of Asian women You are a victim This happens all the time as my anecdotes demonstrate…. Women suppressed by the system Asians suppressed by the system You are a victim WASPS are deadly handsome Average White men don’t like Average White women anymore Asian kids driven to succeed by Tiger moms You are a victim South Asians are the same as East Asians South Asians are not the same as East Asians Insert 4 paragraphs on Gene structure and correlation with penis size You are a victim Asians betraying America’s R&D secrets

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By: Malik http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/10/tiger_moms_rais/comment-page-1/#comment-284010 Malik Thu, 12 May 2011 22:36:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6537#comment-284010 <p>I heard that the Desi population at Stuyvesant was around 10% 5-6 years ago. It might have been higher and probably is higher now. South Asians make up 5% of NYC's population.</p> I heard that the Desi population at Stuyvesant was around 10% 5-6 years ago. It might have been higher and probably is higher now. South Asians make up 5% of NYC’s population.

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By: circa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/10/tiger_moms_rais/comment-page-1/#comment-283995 circa Thu, 12 May 2011 16:00:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6537#comment-283995 <p>"i don't have a normative opinion on this but what do you think about the convention of naming the race of the suspect? It seems to be standard with news reports and optional in the blog world."</p> <p>Thanks Thoreaulylazy. I have the same impression about that stupid term. Of limited use and what use is done, is mostly misunderstood. You're right--who really wants loud, egotistical people around for more than entertainment? Even the brave guys who fight fires and jump into the river to rescue a drowner, are not likely to be self-centered egotists. Rather, they are extroverts, physically fit, and feel involved, even concerned, with the world around them.</p> “i don’t have a normative opinion on this but what do you think about the convention of naming the race of the suspect? It seems to be standard with news reports and optional in the blog world.”

Thanks Thoreaulylazy. I have the same impression about that stupid term. Of limited use and what use is done, is mostly misunderstood. You’re right–who really wants loud, egotistical people around for more than entertainment? Even the brave guys who fight fires and jump into the river to rescue a drowner, are not likely to be self-centered egotists. Rather, they are extroverts, physically fit, and feel involved, even concerned, with the world around them.

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By: SomeBodyUK http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/10/tiger_moms_rais/comment-page-1/#comment-283971 SomeBodyUK Thu, 12 May 2011 06:23:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6537#comment-283971 <p>In response to people's comments:</p> <p>I've been here nearly 5 years. Maybe my comments about Koreans and Christianity were poorly written...I know quite a few Koreans, and I've dated some too. A lot are not as religious as you think - that's what I'm saying...I'm well aware K-town is full of churches - I lived about about 2 miles from K town for 2 years! I'm very well aware that there are a lot of very religious Koreans out there, but I've never had one of them try to convert me. I've had mexicans approach me before.</p> <p>In response to me saying I'm Punjabi, well I identify as Punjabi before Indian. I've got a lot more in common with the average Pakistani that the average Gujurati or Bengali.</p> <p>In respose to me saying that white women are not a big deal...well the average white British guy would rather date an Indian or European girl over an East or SE Asian girl.</p> <p>One thing that strikes me when I go to UK is how invisible east Asians are in the popular culture there. Indian stuff is a lot more influential. If you watch BBC News 24 on cable you will notice that there are a lot of British Indian and British Pakistanis there.</p> <p>UK is actually more racist than the US when it comes to climbing the upper echelons of business. There's a VERY strong "old boy" network there. I read a couple of years ago that the highest ranked Indian-origin banker in London was an Indian-American guy seconded to London.</p> In response to people’s comments:

I’ve been here nearly 5 years. Maybe my comments about Koreans and Christianity were poorly written…I know quite a few Koreans, and I’ve dated some too. A lot are not as religious as you think – that’s what I’m saying…I’m well aware K-town is full of churches – I lived about about 2 miles from K town for 2 years! I’m very well aware that there are a lot of very religious Koreans out there, but I’ve never had one of them try to convert me. I’ve had mexicans approach me before.

In response to me saying I’m Punjabi, well I identify as Punjabi before Indian. I’ve got a lot more in common with the average Pakistani that the average Gujurati or Bengali.

In respose to me saying that white women are not a big deal…well the average white British guy would rather date an Indian or European girl over an East or SE Asian girl.

One thing that strikes me when I go to UK is how invisible east Asians are in the popular culture there. Indian stuff is a lot more influential. If you watch BBC News 24 on cable you will notice that there are a lot of British Indian and British Pakistanis there.

UK is actually more racist than the US when it comes to climbing the upper echelons of business. There’s a VERY strong “old boy” network there. I read a couple of years ago that the highest ranked Indian-origin banker in London was an Indian-American guy seconded to London.

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By: Vivek http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/10/tiger_moms_rais/comment-page-1/#comment-283966 Vivek Thu, 12 May 2011 04:14:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6537#comment-283966 <p>It's not a meritocracy if you don't have equal opportunity.</p> <p>Are the Afros, Hispanics, Italians, Filipinos, Slavs, Scandinavians, Irish, Arabs et al who are heavily underrepresented at high schools like Stuyvesant and Ivy League Colleges really dumber than the Chinese and Jews?</p> <p>I can't find how many Indians there are at Stuyvesant, but for sure they are only a fraction of the Chinese.</p> It’s not a meritocracy if you don’t have equal opportunity.

Are the Afros, Hispanics, Italians, Filipinos, Slavs, Scandinavians, Irish, Arabs et al who are heavily underrepresented at high schools like Stuyvesant and Ivy League Colleges really dumber than the Chinese and Jews?

I can’t find how many Indians there are at Stuyvesant, but for sure they are only a fraction of the Chinese.

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By: jacob http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/10/tiger_moms_rais/comment-page-1/#comment-283964 jacob Thu, 12 May 2011 03:54:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6537#comment-283964 <p><i>Upper-middle-class white kids, after all, have their own elite private schools, and their own private tutors, far more expensive than the cram schools, to help them game the education system…<i></p> <p>Eh, not so sure about this. In the circles I've run in, most of the South Asian kids had access to all of these. That's not to say they were utilized completely or the same as "upper-middle-class white kids," but to say that white kids are economically advantaged over South Asian kids just seems false.</p> Upper-middle-class white kids, after all, have their own elite private schools, and their own private tutors, far more expensive than the cram schools, to help them game the education system…

Eh, not so sure about this. In the circles I’ve run in, most of the South Asian kids had access to all of these. That’s not to say they were utilized completely or the same as “upper-middle-class white kids,” but to say that white kids are economically advantaged over South Asian kids just seems false.

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