Comments on: This is 2012 in America (almost) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/01/this_is_2012_in/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/01/this_is_2012_in/comment-page-1/#comment-283686 jyotsana Tue, 03 May 2011 19:23:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6526#comment-283686 <p>Susan,</p> <p>I've see CSI all over the South, and only in Kerala have I ever found any woman wearing a bindi. I've known women who have wanted to wear it, including one who tells me that Varsha Pirappu (April 14th) is as important to her as Easter and Xmas. But wear it? Never! While it is taboo (including flowers in the hair like mallippu which some CSI women wear anyway) there may be some. So maybe I could change it to verboten but rare. In my family and among my in-laws' there are women who have studied at about 7 different CSI/CNI colleges around the land. WCC in Chennai, I am familiar with, I have never seen a CSI woman wear a bindi. <u>The choice of course is personal, and it is none of my business to advocate anything.</u> Here in the US, at the few gatherings where I have officiated (like an India evening at school that hap'd to coincide with Diwali) I explained what the bindi is about to the non-Hindus (Indian and others) almost everyone lined up for an arti (including my Baptist prof from Texas) and tilak. Just as I expect to be left alone by harvesters, I do not want to, as much as, suggest any practice, observance to another. Explain if asked, suggest never.</p> Susan,

I’ve see CSI all over the South, and only in Kerala have I ever found any woman wearing a bindi. I’ve known women who have wanted to wear it, including one who tells me that Varsha Pirappu (April 14th) is as important to her as Easter and Xmas. But wear it? Never! While it is taboo (including flowers in the hair like mallippu which some CSI women wear anyway) there may be some. So maybe I could change it to verboten but rare. In my family and among my in-laws’ there are women who have studied at about 7 different CSI/CNI colleges around the land. WCC in Chennai, I am familiar with, I have never seen a CSI woman wear a bindi. The choice of course is personal, and it is none of my business to advocate anything. Here in the US, at the few gatherings where I have officiated (like an India evening at school that hap’d to coincide with Diwali) I explained what the bindi is about to the non-Hindus (Indian and others) almost everyone lined up for an arti (including my Baptist prof from Texas) and tilak. Just as I expect to be left alone by harvesters, I do not want to, as much as, suggest any practice, observance to another. Explain if asked, suggest never.

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By: Susan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/01/this_is_2012_in/comment-page-1/#comment-283685 Susan Tue, 03 May 2011 18:56:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6526#comment-283685 <blockquote> <p>a v.v.v.firm no-no/taboo for CSI/CNI/ECI/Assembly of God/Pentecostal Christians</p> </blockquote> <p>Really? I grew up CSI, and always wore bindis for weddings and other dress-up occasions.</p>

a v.v.v.firm no-no/taboo for CSI/CNI/ECI/Assembly of God/Pentecostal Christians

Really? I grew up CSI, and always wore bindis for weddings and other dress-up occasions.

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By: Nandalal Nagalingam Rasia http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/01/this_is_2012_in/comment-page-1/#comment-283674 Nandalal Nagalingam Rasia Tue, 03 May 2011 13:16:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6526#comment-283674 <p>There are other influences than religion on Huntsman. For example, you could've run a picture with the tagline, "Really, a Dreamtheater and Camel fan?" His freak flag does not consist solely of mormon colors.</p> There are other influences than religion on Huntsman. For example, you could’ve run a picture with the tagline, “Really, a Dreamtheater and Camel fan?” His freak flag does not consist solely of mormon colors.

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/01/this_is_2012_in/comment-page-1/#comment-283659 jyotsana Tue, 03 May 2011 00:08:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6526#comment-283659 <blockquote>A bindi on the forehead?! We're a Christian nation dammit! What's with all this respectin' of them Hindooos.</blockquote> <p>In India - I am talking of women only - among the non-Hindus the bindi is OK - no issue at all for RCs, but a v.v.v.firm no-no/taboo for CSI/CNI/ECI/Assembly of God/Pentecostal Christians. The position in Kerala I don't know, because it has the largest diversity of Christian communities anywhere in the world. Anna moLey, what do you think? Jains are fine. Sikhs? It depends. Buddhists, it varies. Among the Muslims the bindi is rare, but surprisingly common at times. In Bangladesh...I will leave it to a Pakistani, <a href="http://marvisirmed.com/?p=77">“Where’s Pakistani girl with teep?”</a></p> <p>Maybe Huntsman sees the tilak thing as one more thing to be taken on in the Mormon quest for universality.</p> A bindi on the forehead?! We’re a Christian nation dammit! What’s with all this respectin’ of them Hindooos.

In India – I am talking of women only – among the non-Hindus the bindi is OK – no issue at all for RCs, but a v.v.v.firm no-no/taboo for CSI/CNI/ECI/Assembly of God/Pentecostal Christians. The position in Kerala I don’t know, because it has the largest diversity of Christian communities anywhere in the world. Anna moLey, what do you think? Jains are fine. Sikhs? It depends. Buddhists, it varies. Among the Muslims the bindi is rare, but surprisingly common at times. In Bangladesh…I will leave it to a Pakistani, “Where’s Pakistani girl with teep?”

Maybe Huntsman sees the tilak thing as one more thing to be taken on in the Mormon quest for universality.

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By: Alina M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/01/this_is_2012_in/comment-page-1/#comment-283657 Alina M Mon, 02 May 2011 22:54:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6526#comment-283657 <blockquote>To her credit, she's learned to make rasam and feed her child ghee-sugar-idli. </blockquote> <p>What do you mean, <i>to her credit</i>?! Any combination of ghee + sugar can't be good for a South Indian babe, unless she's trying to pass on the old Indian tradition of diabetes.... :P</p> <p>@jyotsana - LOL thanks for that link</p> To her credit, she’s learned to make rasam and feed her child ghee-sugar-idli.

What do you mean, to her credit?! Any combination of ghee + sugar can’t be good for a South Indian babe, unless she’s trying to pass on the old Indian tradition of diabetes…. :P

@jyotsana – LOL thanks for that link

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/01/this_is_2012_in/comment-page-1/#comment-283656 jyotsana Mon, 02 May 2011 22:29:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6526#comment-283656 <p>I have never met or even heard of a Desi family with an adopted kid tbh.</p> <p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZDekWV6jwE">Maybe you haven't but I have.</a></p> <p>Neither rare nor common. For 1st genners, since it takes a while to get the green card, it means putting it off till then, by when fertility treatments begin to work. In older families (of the 50s and 60s) there has been adoption from the extended family. Otherwise adoption is generally frowned upon among IAs who prob'ly retain a quaint notion of th eold country, unlike Indian Indians who have moved on.</p> I have never met or even heard of a Desi family with an adopted kid tbh.

Maybe you haven’t but I have.

Neither rare nor common. For 1st genners, since it takes a while to get the green card, it means putting it off till then, by when fertility treatments begin to work. In older families (of the 50s and 60s) there has been adoption from the extended family. Otherwise adoption is generally frowned upon among IAs who prob’ly retain a quaint notion of th eold country, unlike Indian Indians who have moved on.

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By: cornelia http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/01/this_is_2012_in/comment-page-1/#comment-283634 cornelia Mon, 02 May 2011 17:19:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6526#comment-283634 <p>"That's not to say that people are deliberately messing with their childrens' heads, it's just that many white people believe that the whole notion of racism is over.</p> <p>Ha. "</p> <p>Uh, no Melanie. I don't know what race, income or location you are, but your assumption that only whites are racist is so -- inaccurate. I cannot speak for all of whitekind, but those of us who live typical whitepeople lives, and are not coddled or rich, or employed by politicians, or living in Portland (Maine or Oregon), have had to plan our lives around places we can and can't go, and not because of some false esthetic about "color." So I get your reasons for fearing racism because of personal experience. That racism exists, and the reasons you fear it, have been very clear to me all my life; life-threateningly clear. Very, very clear from all perspectives. Karma is a bitch. Ha.</p> <p>Huntsman's adopted kids of "another race" won't hurt his chances. McCain had an adopted daughter from India and nobody in his party cared. Asian adoptions have been happening in this country since the 1950s and were remarkable for how easily they went, though I do think it is a questionable thing for people of a different background to take a child out of his/her ancestral lands and people. Inevitably some of the kids are going to feel deracinated. A few Korean adoptees have a web-site asserting that they were "kidnapped" by white people, though they admit they were treated well. Even adopted kids similar to one's own ethnicity can be iffy--my brother's adopted kids (Russian/WASP/Italian/Native American) have turned out more like their biological parents, though they're better off than they would have been left to the mercies of those bio-parents.</p> <p>If you think whites in tornado alley are that much different from anywhere else, well.. let's just say they're not, statistically. It's been a running joke in the blogosphere of late, that whites in the still-mostly-white-places like Portland, are in an earnest status-contest to see who can get the farthest from some imaginary "redneck" living in rural Alabama, a type to whom they endow a sub-human status although they've never actually met any except in movies and books.</p> “That’s not to say that people are deliberately messing with their childrens’ heads, it’s just that many white people believe that the whole notion of racism is over.

Ha. “

Uh, no Melanie. I don’t know what race, income or location you are, but your assumption that only whites are racist is so — inaccurate. I cannot speak for all of whitekind, but those of us who live typical whitepeople lives, and are not coddled or rich, or employed by politicians, or living in Portland (Maine or Oregon), have had to plan our lives around places we can and can’t go, and not because of some false esthetic about “color.” So I get your reasons for fearing racism because of personal experience. That racism exists, and the reasons you fear it, have been very clear to me all my life; life-threateningly clear. Very, very clear from all perspectives. Karma is a bitch. Ha.

Huntsman’s adopted kids of “another race” won’t hurt his chances. McCain had an adopted daughter from India and nobody in his party cared. Asian adoptions have been happening in this country since the 1950s and were remarkable for how easily they went, though I do think it is a questionable thing for people of a different background to take a child out of his/her ancestral lands and people. Inevitably some of the kids are going to feel deracinated. A few Korean adoptees have a web-site asserting that they were “kidnapped” by white people, though they admit they were treated well. Even adopted kids similar to one’s own ethnicity can be iffy–my brother’s adopted kids (Russian/WASP/Italian/Native American) have turned out more like their biological parents, though they’re better off than they would have been left to the mercies of those bio-parents.

If you think whites in tornado alley are that much different from anywhere else, well.. let’s just say they’re not, statistically. It’s been a running joke in the blogosphere of late, that whites in the still-mostly-white-places like Portland, are in an earnest status-contest to see who can get the farthest from some imaginary “redneck” living in rural Alabama, a type to whom they endow a sub-human status although they’ve never actually met any except in movies and books.

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By: spamnun http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/01/this_is_2012_in/comment-page-1/#comment-283616 spamnun Mon, 02 May 2011 15:14:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6526#comment-283616 <p>Huntsman isn't doing anything very different from my Gujarati American friend who adopted a toddler from Tamil Nadu last year. To her credit, she's learned to make rasam and feed her child ghee-sugar-idli. She still uses Google Translate for some Tamil phrases to speak to him, though the the kid now speaks fluent Gujarati and toddler English. It was important for her to maintain that connect with his Tamil traditions, though I'm guessing it's going to be harder as the baby grows. I think, in cases like this, it's best to believe that people are just doing their best. If Huntsman had gone all white-Christian on the kid, with cross etc, we'd be hearing from desis calling him out for not nodding to the kid's Indian roots.</p> <p>I do know of a few Indians (in India) as well as here who have adopted from India (one Indian-American couple I know has an adopted African-American child from here). Most adoption tales from India are about the immense amount of red-tape involved in the process. I like that the Indian government exercises a LOT of caution before handing kids over, but there's no point to excess caution if it deters well-meaning people from adopting.</p> Huntsman isn’t doing anything very different from my Gujarati American friend who adopted a toddler from Tamil Nadu last year. To her credit, she’s learned to make rasam and feed her child ghee-sugar-idli. She still uses Google Translate for some Tamil phrases to speak to him, though the the kid now speaks fluent Gujarati and toddler English. It was important for her to maintain that connect with his Tamil traditions, though I’m guessing it’s going to be harder as the baby grows. I think, in cases like this, it’s best to believe that people are just doing their best. If Huntsman had gone all white-Christian on the kid, with cross etc, we’d be hearing from desis calling him out for not nodding to the kid’s Indian roots.

I do know of a few Indians (in India) as well as here who have adopted from India (one Indian-American couple I know has an adopted African-American child from here). Most adoption tales from India are about the immense amount of red-tape involved in the process. I like that the Indian government exercises a LOT of caution before handing kids over, but there’s no point to excess caution if it deters well-meaning people from adopting.

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By: fujiyama http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/01/this_is_2012_in/comment-page-1/#comment-283607 fujiyama Mon, 02 May 2011 13:17:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6526#comment-283607 <p>Well the photo in the article likely sinks Huntsman's chances in the GOP primaries. A bindi on the forehead?! We're a Christian nation dammit! What's with all this respectin' of them Hindooos.</p> <p>Mark of the devil I say! And I thought being a Mormon was bad! I think it's just another rag head following the one we have right now as my good friend in SC says!</p> <p>/teabagger mode off</p> Well the photo in the article likely sinks Huntsman’s chances in the GOP primaries. A bindi on the forehead?! We’re a Christian nation dammit! What’s with all this respectin’ of them Hindooos.

Mark of the devil I say! And I thought being a Mormon was bad! I think it’s just another rag head following the one we have right now as my good friend in SC says!

/teabagger mode off

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By: Melanie http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/05/01/this_is_2012_in/comment-page-1/#comment-283602 Melanie Mon, 02 May 2011 08:16:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6526#comment-283602 <p>I think a big problem in transracial adoption is that if the brown/black/asian child has white parents, the child often isn't prepared for the racism that we know exists and their white liberal parents insist no longer exists. That's how you get the kids with the identity and image problems. It can also happen if the primary biological parent is white. That's not to say that people are deliberately messing with their childrens' heads, it's just that many white people believe that the whole notion of racism is over.</p> <p>Ha.</p> I think a big problem in transracial adoption is that if the brown/black/asian child has white parents, the child often isn’t prepared for the racism that we know exists and their white liberal parents insist no longer exists. That’s how you get the kids with the identity and image problems. It can also happen if the primary biological parent is white. That’s not to say that people are deliberately messing with their childrens’ heads, it’s just that many white people believe that the whole notion of racism is over.

Ha.

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