Comments on: Sai Baba, 1926-2011 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/sai_baba_1926-2/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Razib Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/sai_baba_1926-2/comment-page-1/#comment-283256 Razib Khan Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:59:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6507#comment-283256 <p>boring thread.</p> boring thread.

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By: Surya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/sai_baba_1926-2/comment-page-1/#comment-283254 Surya Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:56:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6507#comment-283254 <p>"he was a media celebrity who accrued an enormous amount of money."</p> <p>You make it sound as if the money donated to his charitable foundation was his personal wealth or something.</p> <p>Sai Baba's entire life was dedicated to the service of humanity. Unlike so many other Indian gurus he never travelled to the rich and glamorous West. He ate simple vegan food in moderation, slept in Spartan rooms above his temple. Never married. If he serves as a role model that can only be a good thing.</p> “he was a media celebrity who accrued an enormous amount of money.”

You make it sound as if the money donated to his charitable foundation was his personal wealth or something.

Sai Baba’s entire life was dedicated to the service of humanity. Unlike so many other Indian gurus he never travelled to the rich and glamorous West. He ate simple vegan food in moderation, slept in Spartan rooms above his temple. Never married. If he serves as a role model that can only be a good thing.

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By: pkr http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/sai_baba_1926-2/comment-page-1/#comment-283252 pkr Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:48:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6507#comment-283252 <p>I live in Bangalore, every morning I pass a hospital built by Sai Baba where I see huge queue of poor people OTOH near to my place there are a row of villas built by Sai baba so I guess his legacy is mixed :-) .</p> I live in Bangalore, every morning I pass a hospital built by Sai Baba where I see huge queue of poor people OTOH near to my place there are a row of villas built by Sai baba so I guess his legacy is mixed :-) .

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By: Surya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/sai_baba_1926-2/comment-page-1/#comment-283251 Surya Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:39:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6507#comment-283251 <p>"Yes, I know the godmen have out front and center a few educated people--I'm talking about the bulk of their followers."</p> <p>You claimed that the followers of Sai Baba are a "long way" from the rational educated hindus who ridicule godmen. On what basis do you make that claim? Sai Baba is by far the most significant spiritual guru in India whose following includes large numbers of the best educated hindus including scientists and scholars. Just look at the outpouring of love and respect for him that is coming from all quarters, including from other gurus and even some atheists. It is pretty obvious that he is recognized as genuine rather than fake.</p> <p>Tell us what "you" consider to be "rational" in the Vedic texts that educated people find immune to ridicule.</p> “Yes, I know the godmen have out front and center a few educated people–I’m talking about the bulk of their followers.”

You claimed that the followers of Sai Baba are a “long way” from the rational educated hindus who ridicule godmen. On what basis do you make that claim? Sai Baba is by far the most significant spiritual guru in India whose following includes large numbers of the best educated hindus including scientists and scholars. Just look at the outpouring of love and respect for him that is coming from all quarters, including from other gurus and even some atheists. It is pretty obvious that he is recognized as genuine rather than fake.

Tell us what “you” consider to be “rational” in the Vedic texts that educated people find immune to ridicule.

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By: Razib Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/sai_baba_1926-2/comment-page-1/#comment-283250 Razib Khan Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:30:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6507#comment-283250 <p><i>I don't know what you mean by that. What trails did he blaze ?</i></p> <p>he was a media celebrity who accrued an enormous amount of money.</p> I don’t know what you mean by that. What trails did he blaze ?

he was a media celebrity who accrued an enormous amount of money.

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By: voiceinthehead http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/sai_baba_1926-2/comment-page-1/#comment-283249 voiceinthehead Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:24:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6507#comment-283249 <p><quote>Sai Baba will be viewed as a trailblazing religious entrepreneur</quote> I don't know what you mean by that. What trails did he blaze ?</p> Sai Baba will be viewed as a trailblazing religious entrepreneur I don’t know what you mean by that. What trails did he blaze ?

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By: DesiInScotland http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/sai_baba_1926-2/comment-page-1/#comment-283246 DesiInScotland Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:09:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6507#comment-283246 <p>What do the Upanishads teach that contradict or ridicule the concept of Self-Realized godmen???</p> <p>Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say that they do. But Hinduism does not rule out rationality, and a lot of more educated, rational Hindus like the Vedic texts but use their rationality to see most modern godmen as charlatans exploiting the lower IQ-range of the spectrum. Yes, I know the godmen have out front and center a few educated people--I'm talking about the bulk of their followers.</p> What do the Upanishads teach that contradict or ridicule the concept of Self-Realized godmen???

Please don’t put words in my mouth. I didn’t say that they do. But Hinduism does not rule out rationality, and a lot of more educated, rational Hindus like the Vedic texts but use their rationality to see most modern godmen as charlatans exploiting the lower IQ-range of the spectrum. Yes, I know the godmen have out front and center a few educated people–I’m talking about the bulk of their followers.

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By: Surya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/sai_baba_1926-2/comment-page-1/#comment-283244 Surya Mon, 25 Apr 2011 06:03:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6507#comment-283244 <p>"A follower of Sai Baba is a <em>long</em> way from someone who studyies the Vedic texts and ridicules modern-day godmen."</p> <p>Which Vedic texts are you talking about? The ones about performing animal and even human sacrifices to the Vedic gods?</p> <p>Or are you talking about the Upanishads, which were appended to the Vedas and which constitute the foundation of Vedanta philosophy? What do the Upanishads teach that contradict or ridicule the concept of Self-Realized godmen???</p> “A follower of Sai Baba is a long way from someone who studyies the Vedic texts and ridicules modern-day godmen.”

Which Vedic texts are you talking about? The ones about performing animal and even human sacrifices to the Vedic gods?

Or are you talking about the Upanishads, which were appended to the Vedas and which constitute the foundation of Vedanta philosophy? What do the Upanishads teach that contradict or ridicule the concept of Self-Realized godmen???

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By: DesiInScotland http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/sai_baba_1926-2/comment-page-1/#comment-283235 DesiInScotland Mon, 25 Apr 2011 05:07:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6507#comment-283235 <p>I didn't say that godmen contradict the texts or philosophy.</p> <p>I made an observation about what <em>aspects</em> of Hinduism the better-educated tend to get into.</p> <p>A follower of Sai Baba is a <em>long</em> way from someone who studyies the Vedic texts and ridicules modern-day godmen. But both approaches are comfortably within the borders of Sanatana Dharma.</p> I didn’t say that godmen contradict the texts or philosophy.

I made an observation about what aspects of Hinduism the better-educated tend to get into.

A follower of Sai Baba is a long way from someone who studyies the Vedic texts and ridicules modern-day godmen. But both approaches are comfortably within the borders of Sanatana Dharma.

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By: Surya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/04/24/sai_baba_1926-2/comment-page-1/#comment-283233 Surya Mon, 25 Apr 2011 04:58:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6507#comment-283233 <p>"I think Hinduism is "different." Once people are educated, they tend to see this god-man stuff as stupid, and get really into the texts, philosophy and history."</p> <p>I don't think you know much at all about Hinduism or Indian spirituality if you think that the concept of god-man contradicts it's texts or philosophies.</p> <p>God is our true innate identity, not the body nor the mind which are mere instruments. We think we are nothing more than our body and mind; this is called delusion or ignorance by the spiritual seers who have dived deeper within themselves and experienced the divine identity. As Sai Baba has been saying all along, the difference between us and him is that he knows he is God while we still have to achieve the realization that so are we. All his teachings are about helping the ignorant realize the truth that they too are the universal super-conscious true and eternal reality, not the body-mind complex which is nothing but a temporary material instrument or machine.</p> “I think Hinduism is “different.” Once people are educated, they tend to see this god-man stuff as stupid, and get really into the texts, philosophy and history.”

I don’t think you know much at all about Hinduism or Indian spirituality if you think that the concept of god-man contradicts it’s texts or philosophies.

God is our true innate identity, not the body nor the mind which are mere instruments. We think we are nothing more than our body and mind; this is called delusion or ignorance by the spiritual seers who have dived deeper within themselves and experienced the divine identity. As Sai Baba has been saying all along, the difference between us and him is that he knows he is God while we still have to achieve the realization that so are we. All his teachings are about helping the ignorant realize the truth that they too are the universal super-conscious true and eternal reality, not the body-mind complex which is nothing but a temporary material instrument or machine.

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