Comments on: Don’t Be a Hater Says Outsourced Writer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/21/dont_be_a_hater/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Varmatz http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/21/dont_be_a_hater/comment-page-2/#comment-283545 Varmatz Sun, 01 May 2011 15:19:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6453#comment-283545 <p>Outsourced is a marvelous show, with talented actors. They are so funny showing the cultural diferences and the mistakes about them, that I hope they renew the series for a second season. Every episode is a surprise, because we don´t know what aspect of the common life will be explored with humor. There are already too many tragedies s on TV today. Good comedies like Outsourced are necessary too!!</p> Outsourced is a marvelous show, with talented actors. They are so funny showing the cultural diferences and the mistakes about them, that I hope they renew the series for a second season. Every episode is a surprise, because we don´t know what aspect of the common life will be explored with humor. There are already too many tragedies s on TV today. Good comedies like Outsourced are necessary too!!

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By: Phillygrrl http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/21/dont_be_a_hater/comment-page-2/#comment-282425 Phillygrrl Tue, 29 Mar 2011 21:40:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6453#comment-282425 <p>Okay, so I finally saw the Holi episode b/c of this post. Guys, it sucked. I'm sorry. The only good part (the paintball shooting) was a total ripoff from Community.... I'm so done with this show. I think my kid siblings enjoy it, but it's just not my cup of chai.</p> Okay, so I finally saw the Holi episode b/c of this post. Guys, it sucked. I’m sorry. The only good part (the paintball shooting) was a total ripoff from Community…. I’m so done with this show. I think my kid siblings enjoy it, but it’s just not my cup of chai.

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By: John Jacobi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/21/dont_be_a_hater/comment-page-2/#comment-282393 John Jacobi Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:29:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6453#comment-282393 <p>" I said portrayals of race in the media, no matter how positive they seem have negative effects on race relations." I would really love it if you could give me an example where positive portrayals of race in the media had negative effects. The example you gave has negative portrayals.</p> <p>"Just because Katie Couric said it, doesn't make it true. Prejudice against black people still persists. The Cosby Show was also about a middle to upper middle class black family, which is not at all an accurate or relatable depiction of the majority of black families in the US." That wasnt Katie Courics original Idea. It is a widely held view. Of course it did not solve the race problem, all I said was that it improved race relations. Your contention was that the media did nothing to improve race relations.</p> <p>" Since you brought it up, I'm guessing you don't realize that men of color are overrepresented as terrorists/criminals/drugdealers and it is rare when a white guy is portrayed as such." Yes. It is true that nowadays brown people are portrayed as the bad guys. But these thing follow a certain fashion trend and are not necessarily the result of a conspiracy to make colored people look bad. Growing up, i remember that the Russians were popular bad guys. So were the Italian Mafia. Brown people were rarely seen.</p> ” I said portrayals of race in the media, no matter how positive they seem have negative effects on race relations.” I would really love it if you could give me an example where positive portrayals of race in the media had negative effects. The example you gave has negative portrayals.

“Just because Katie Couric said it, doesn’t make it true. Prejudice against black people still persists. The Cosby Show was also about a middle to upper middle class black family, which is not at all an accurate or relatable depiction of the majority of black families in the US.” That wasnt Katie Courics original Idea. It is a widely held view. Of course it did not solve the race problem, all I said was that it improved race relations. Your contention was that the media did nothing to improve race relations.

” Since you brought it up, I’m guessing you don’t realize that men of color are overrepresented as terrorists/criminals/drugdealers and it is rare when a white guy is portrayed as such.” Yes. It is true that nowadays brown people are portrayed as the bad guys. But these thing follow a certain fashion trend and are not necessarily the result of a conspiracy to make colored people look bad. Growing up, i remember that the Russians were popular bad guys. So were the Italian Mafia. Brown people were rarely seen.

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By: Fenri http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/21/dont_be_a_hater/comment-page-2/#comment-282390 Fenri Tue, 29 Mar 2011 03:06:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6453#comment-282390 <p>@ John Jacobi</p> <p>I never said anything about the news, which is a different realm of media altogether. Since you brought it up, I'm guessing you don't realize that men of color are overrepresented as terrorists/criminals/drugdealers and it is rare when a white guy is portrayed as such. For example, a recent poll found that a majority of Americans believe most, if not all terrorists are Muslim. This is because the media fails to report the 96% of terrorist acts that weren't committed by Muslims and exaggerates the ones that are.</p> <p>"And Outsourced does not just focus on the negative aspects of Indians, does it?"</p> <p>I never said it did. I said portrayals of race in the media, no matter how positive they seem have negative effects on race relations.</p> <p>"The Cosby show (another media product) is said to have greatly improved peoples perception of Black people because it humanized them."</p> <p>Just because Katie Couric said it, doesn't make it true. Prejudice against black people still persists. The Cosby Show was also about a middle to upper middle class black family, which is not at all an accurate or relatable depiction of the majority of black families in the US.</p> @ John Jacobi

I never said anything about the news, which is a different realm of media altogether. Since you brought it up, I’m guessing you don’t realize that men of color are overrepresented as terrorists/criminals/drugdealers and it is rare when a white guy is portrayed as such. For example, a recent poll found that a majority of Americans believe most, if not all terrorists are Muslim. This is because the media fails to report the 96% of terrorist acts that weren’t committed by Muslims and exaggerates the ones that are.

“And Outsourced does not just focus on the negative aspects of Indians, does it?”

I never said it did. I said portrayals of race in the media, no matter how positive they seem have negative effects on race relations.

“The Cosby show (another media product) is said to have greatly improved peoples perception of Black people because it humanized them.”

Just because Katie Couric said it, doesn’t make it true. Prejudice against black people still persists. The Cosby Show was also about a middle to upper middle class black family, which is not at all an accurate or relatable depiction of the majority of black families in the US.

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By: Pravin Praveen http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/21/dont_be_a_hater/comment-page-2/#comment-282387 Pravin Praveen Tue, 29 Mar 2011 02:10:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6453#comment-282387 <p>So I guess most of you in the last two days have absolutely nothing to add about the show "OUTSOURCED". you know, the topic of this blog entry?</p> <p>Is Diedrich Bader's character offensive to white Americans?</p> <p>Comparing black shows to this is a fallacy. This show is about foreigners, not indian americans. Making a few good natured jokes at the liberty of another country's people is a time honored comedic device in almost every culture. Is nationalistic prejudice better than racism? I don't know. But let's make the correct analogies when comparing the offensive aspects of this show with other show.</p> <p>Besides, they show the Indian manager of the IT call center in the top floor as more sauve and sophisticated than Ben, the white American. Even if the indian guy is the "bad guy" in the episode, at least it is not at the expense of the depiction of his intelligence.</p> So I guess most of you in the last two days have absolutely nothing to add about the show “OUTSOURCED”. you know, the topic of this blog entry?

Is Diedrich Bader’s character offensive to white Americans?

Comparing black shows to this is a fallacy. This show is about foreigners, not indian americans. Making a few good natured jokes at the liberty of another country’s people is a time honored comedic device in almost every culture. Is nationalistic prejudice better than racism? I don’t know. But let’s make the correct analogies when comparing the offensive aspects of this show with other show.

Besides, they show the Indian manager of the IT call center in the top floor as more sauve and sophisticated than Ben, the white American. Even if the indian guy is the “bad guy” in the episode, at least it is not at the expense of the depiction of his intelligence.

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By: John Jacobi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/21/dont_be_a_hater/comment-page-2/#comment-282386 John Jacobi Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:43:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6453#comment-282386 <p>@Fenri "The media have focused on the negative aspects of the black community (e.g. engaging in drug use, criminal activity, welfare abuse) while maintaining the cycle of poverty that the elite wants."" Here the media is reporting the news as it sees it and gets blamed for perpetuating the stereotype. The media focuses on the negative aspects of all people white or black to sell news. And Outsourced does not just focus on the negative aspects of Indians, does it? But lets accept this as it is. The Cosby show (another media product) is said to have greatly improved peoples perception of Black people because it humanized them. It did so well in improving relations that recently Aasif Mandvi suggested a Muslim version(albeit in jest). There you have your counter example.</p> <p>@Fenri "Look up the definition of stereotyping" Maybe you should look it up. Your understanding of the definition seems to be extremely narrow and race related. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype. From the wiki "Social psychologists believe that mental categorizing (or labelling) is necessary and inescapable." . See I was right - all stereotyping is not bad.</p> @Fenri “The media have focused on the negative aspects of the black community (e.g. engaging in drug use, criminal activity, welfare abuse) while maintaining the cycle of poverty that the elite wants.”" Here the media is reporting the news as it sees it and gets blamed for perpetuating the stereotype. The media focuses on the negative aspects of all people white or black to sell news. And Outsourced does not just focus on the negative aspects of Indians, does it? But lets accept this as it is. The Cosby show (another media product) is said to have greatly improved peoples perception of Black people because it humanized them. It did so well in improving relations that recently Aasif Mandvi suggested a Muslim version(albeit in jest). There you have your counter example.

@Fenri “Look up the definition of stereotyping” Maybe you should look it up. Your understanding of the definition seems to be extremely narrow and race related. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotype. From the wiki “Social psychologists believe that mental categorizing (or labelling) is necessary and inescapable.” . See I was right – all stereotyping is not bad.

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By: Rahul Rvd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/21/dont_be_a_hater/comment-page-2/#comment-282385 Rahul Rvd Tue, 29 Mar 2011 01:38:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6453#comment-282385 <p>Swing and a miss.</p> Swing and a miss.

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By: sunita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/21/dont_be_a_hater/comment-page-2/#comment-282383 sunita Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:55:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6453#comment-282383 <p>"I'm always amused when Indians compare themselves to Jews."</p> <p>As am I, Jews would never be caught being the uncle toms most Indians are.</p> “I’m always amused when Indians compare themselves to Jews.”

As am I, Jews would never be caught being the uncle toms most Indians are.

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By: Fenri http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/21/dont_be_a_hater/comment-page-2/#comment-282381 Fenri Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:48:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6453#comment-282381 <p>I didn't give examples because I stated it was common sense. I apologize for assuming you were capable of a quick google search. Here is one, it focuses on African Americans, but it's main point is relevant: http://www.yale.edu/ypq/articles/oct99/oct99b.html <i>"Media have divided the working class and stereotyped young African-American males as gangsters or drug dealers. As a result of such treatment, the media have crushed youths' prospects for future employment and advancement. The media have focused on the negative aspects of the black community (e.g. engaging in drug use, criminal activity, welfare abuse) while maintaining the cycle of poverty that the elite wants." </i> There are certainly tons more links, I would have to take some time to find the ones that I thought were written very well that I'll post later I guess. "But to imply that all Media including the creators of Outsourced are the same would be stereotyping don't you think? Something you would never do because it is such a terrible thing"</p> <p>You gotta fucking kidding me. Look up the definition of stereotyping, and then go crazy with your keyboard. For fuck's sake, the media is not your friend, especially if you aren't white, I don't know why that's so difficult to understand.</p> <p>Also, Jews aren't a race. Seeing that they have the acceptable skin color, anything they do isn't going to seem too out of the ordinary. "What really harms race relations is oversensitivity" Yeah, non-white people just need to stfu and instead complaining about being seen as inferior just need to accept it. Thanks though, I'm always amused when Indians compare themselves to Jews.</p> I didn’t give examples because I stated it was common sense. I apologize for assuming you were capable of a quick google search. Here is one, it focuses on African Americans, but it’s main point is relevant: http://www.yale.edu/ypq/articles/oct99/oct99b.html “Media have divided the working class and stereotyped young African-American males as gangsters or drug dealers. As a result of such treatment, the media have crushed youths’ prospects for future employment and advancement. The media have focused on the negative aspects of the black community (e.g. engaging in drug use, criminal activity, welfare abuse) while maintaining the cycle of poverty that the elite wants.” There are certainly tons more links, I would have to take some time to find the ones that I thought were written very well that I’ll post later I guess. “But to imply that all Media including the creators of Outsourced are the same would be stereotyping don’t you think? Something you would never do because it is such a terrible thing”

You gotta fucking kidding me. Look up the definition of stereotyping, and then go crazy with your keyboard. For fuck’s sake, the media is not your friend, especially if you aren’t white, I don’t know why that’s so difficult to understand.

Also, Jews aren’t a race. Seeing that they have the acceptable skin color, anything they do isn’t going to seem too out of the ordinary. “What really harms race relations is oversensitivity” Yeah, non-white people just need to stfu and instead complaining about being seen as inferior just need to accept it. Thanks though, I’m always amused when Indians compare themselves to Jews.

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By: Neil Bhatt http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/21/dont_be_a_hater/comment-page-2/#comment-282378 Neil Bhatt Tue, 29 Mar 2011 00:04:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6453#comment-282378 <p>Jewish comedians self-deprecate all the time. Are they harming race relations? What really harms race relations is oversensitivity, IMO.</p> Jewish comedians self-deprecate all the time. Are they harming race relations? What really harms race relations is oversensitivity, IMO.

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