Comments on: Visualizing South Asian genetic variation (3-D) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/16/harappa_ancestr/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: venkatesh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/16/harappa_ancestr/comment-page-1/#comment-282206 venkatesh Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:50:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6450#comment-282206 <p>I agree with the anon comment made about the rice link to diabetes. In the south and in the state of Gujarat people are completely vegetarian (no eggs or fish). Rice, potatoes = starch; legumes = carb; other veggies => sugar. There is very little protein in the diets.</p> I agree with the anon comment made about the rice link to diabetes. In the south and in the state of Gujarat people are completely vegetarian (no eggs or fish). Rice, potatoes = starch; legumes = carb; other veggies => sugar. There is very little protein in the diets.

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/16/harappa_ancestr/comment-page-1/#comment-282148 Yoga Fire Fri, 18 Mar 2011 17:13:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6450#comment-282148 <blockquote>try telling your aunts you only want ONE serving of chappati or rice...you're going to get a slap for sure.</blockquote> <p>Actually last time I went to India my family surprised me on that front. Now that several of my uncles have come down with diabetes most of my family has gotten pretty health conscious. They don't get offended when I try to refuse seconds anymore and when they say "taste this" they actually just let me taste it without expecting me to eat an entire plateful.</p> try telling your aunts you only want ONE serving of chappati or rice…you’re going to get a slap for sure.

Actually last time I went to India my family surprised me on that front. Now that several of my uncles have come down with diabetes most of my family has gotten pretty health conscious. They don’t get offended when I try to refuse seconds anymore and when they say “taste this” they actually just let me taste it without expecting me to eat an entire plateful.

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By: Razib Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/16/harappa_ancestr/comment-page-1/#comment-282140 Razib Khan Fri, 18 Mar 2011 08:38:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6450#comment-282140 <p><i>food plays an important role in our culture</i></p> <p>it plays an important role in <b>all cultures.</b> only when societies have had a modicum of affluence does the norm change toward more modesty in consumption. the last fat president we've had is warren g. harding (look at the paintings of 19th century presidents, and several of them were quite robust fellows). all the while the nation has been getting fatter.</p> food plays an important role in our culture

it plays an important role in all cultures. only when societies have had a modicum of affluence does the norm change toward more modesty in consumption. the last fat president we’ve had is warren g. harding (look at the paintings of 19th century presidents, and several of them were quite robust fellows). all the while the nation has been getting fatter.

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By: Alina-M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/16/harappa_ancestr/comment-page-1/#comment-282138 Alina-M Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:15:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6450#comment-282138 <p>@Jeevan - You are right about the poverty/obesity correlation in developed countries, but I was talking specifically about South Asia, where people seem to be becoming larger as they get wealthier. I think the differences might due to the following:</p> <p>"Poor" in America means having to buy more processed food, often artificially flavored, lacking nutritional value, and high in fat content. But "poor" in South Asia often means having very little to eat at all. Fruits and veggies are comparatively expensive in America, whereas in Pakistan I saw that some poor people in the NWFP live almost entirely off of fruits and veggies, which grow abundantly and can be picked out of the ground or off trees. So the diet of poor people varies considerably in different nations. Poor people in America also seem to exercise less on average ("exercise" to an American often means hitting the gym) whereas in South Asia, peasants naturally engage in more manual labor, and walk a lot more, just like the average American used to do.</p> <blockquote>try telling your aunts you only want ONE serving of chappati or rice...you're going to get a slap for sure. </blockquote> <p>So true, food plays an important role in our culture...and the traditional desi diet isn't unhealthy either...plenty of lentils, chickpeas, fruits, etc.</p> @Jeevan – You are right about the poverty/obesity correlation in developed countries, but I was talking specifically about South Asia, where people seem to be becoming larger as they get wealthier. I think the differences might due to the following:

“Poor” in America means having to buy more processed food, often artificially flavored, lacking nutritional value, and high in fat content. But “poor” in South Asia often means having very little to eat at all. Fruits and veggies are comparatively expensive in America, whereas in Pakistan I saw that some poor people in the NWFP live almost entirely off of fruits and veggies, which grow abundantly and can be picked out of the ground or off trees. So the diet of poor people varies considerably in different nations. Poor people in America also seem to exercise less on average (“exercise” to an American often means hitting the gym) whereas in South Asia, peasants naturally engage in more manual labor, and walk a lot more, just like the average American used to do.

try telling your aunts you only want ONE serving of chappati or rice…you’re going to get a slap for sure.

So true, food plays an important role in our culture…and the traditional desi diet isn’t unhealthy either…plenty of lentils, chickpeas, fruits, etc.

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By: Razib Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/16/harappa_ancestr/comment-page-1/#comment-282137 Razib Khan Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:07:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6450#comment-282137 <p><i>Its really about KNOWING what to eat, then taking the care to do so. Chickpeas, black beans, brown rice are all quite inexpensive especially in bulk...you could build yourself into bruce lee living off that. India doesn't lack for amazing food. But there are stigmas, the one against brown rice that Alina mentioned... try telling your aunts you only want ONE serving of chappati or rice...you're going to get a slap for sure.</i></p> <p>yes. also, in the USA there is the idea of "food deserts" and that you can't eat healthy if you are poor. i know it's not politically correct to say, but i think this has gone too far. i think a lot of the issue has to do with the nature of peer culture, and the fact that <b>per caloric unit processed food is the cheapest</b> (and frankly, often the tastiest in terms of sensory quantity). a lot of the reason that people on the coasts are thinner than people in "flyover country" is probably just norms. you eat in groups, and follow group cues.</p> <p><i>At the end of the day the x factor for desis is exercise, I just don't see enough desis putting in the hours in the gym and I'm not talking about some half assed spinning. If you're going to keep the white rice and late night jilabis then cardio MUST increase..and increase by a lot.</i></p> <p>i agree with this. you can substitute "white rice" and "late night jilabis" with "cornbred" and "late night ice cream." if you carbload, <b>burn it off.</b> if you don't want to exercise or be active, and want to stay trim, go paleo (though keeping that up indefinitely seems difficult for people).</p> Its really about KNOWING what to eat, then taking the care to do so. Chickpeas, black beans, brown rice are all quite inexpensive especially in bulk…you could build yourself into bruce lee living off that. India doesn’t lack for amazing food. But there are stigmas, the one against brown rice that Alina mentioned… try telling your aunts you only want ONE serving of chappati or rice…you’re going to get a slap for sure.

yes. also, in the USA there is the idea of “food deserts” and that you can’t eat healthy if you are poor. i know it’s not politically correct to say, but i think this has gone too far. i think a lot of the issue has to do with the nature of peer culture, and the fact that per caloric unit processed food is the cheapest (and frankly, often the tastiest in terms of sensory quantity). a lot of the reason that people on the coasts are thinner than people in “flyover country” is probably just norms. you eat in groups, and follow group cues.

At the end of the day the x factor for desis is exercise, I just don’t see enough desis putting in the hours in the gym and I’m not talking about some half assed spinning. If you’re going to keep the white rice and late night jilabis then cardio MUST increase..and increase by a lot.

i agree with this. you can substitute “white rice” and “late night jilabis” with “cornbred” and “late night ice cream.” if you carbload, burn it off. if you don’t want to exercise or be active, and want to stay trim, go paleo (though keeping that up indefinitely seems difficult for people).

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By: Jeevan Devanur http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/16/harappa_ancestr/comment-page-1/#comment-282136 Jeevan Devanur Fri, 18 Mar 2011 07:05:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6450#comment-282136 <p>"in india and china obesity still correlates positively with wealth. the inverse correlation is operative in developed nations." Agreed, but in future when they get rid of pure manual labor & use more equipments the poor will have the same risk as the ones in developed countries (In India/China, fast-food culture is picking up pretty fast & rising food prices are not going to help the poor)</p> “in india and china obesity still correlates positively with wealth. the inverse correlation is operative in developed nations.” Agreed, but in future when they get rid of pure manual labor & use more equipments the poor will have the same risk as the ones in developed countries (In India/China, fast-food culture is picking up pretty fast & rising food prices are not going to help the poor)

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By: kidpoker666 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/16/harappa_ancestr/comment-page-1/#comment-282135 kidpoker666 Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:48:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6450#comment-282135 <p>"Eating healthy takes considerable time & costs more (For ex: Organic food)"</p> <p>Its really about KNOWING what to eat, then taking the care to do so. Chickpeas, black beans, brown rice are all quite inexpensive especially in bulk...you could build yourself into bruce lee living off that. India doesn't lack for amazing food. But there are stigmas, the one against brown rice that Alina mentioned... try telling your aunts you only want ONE serving of chappati or rice...you're going to get a slap for sure.</p> <p>At the end of the day the x factor for desis is exercise, I just don't see enough desis putting in the hours in the gym and I'm not talking about some half assed spinning. If you're going to keep the white rice and late night jilabis then cardio MUST increase..and increase by a lot.</p> “Eating healthy takes considerable time & costs more (For ex: Organic food)”

Its really about KNOWING what to eat, then taking the care to do so. Chickpeas, black beans, brown rice are all quite inexpensive especially in bulk…you could build yourself into bruce lee living off that. India doesn’t lack for amazing food. But there are stigmas, the one against brown rice that Alina mentioned… try telling your aunts you only want ONE serving of chappati or rice…you’re going to get a slap for sure.

At the end of the day the x factor for desis is exercise, I just don’t see enough desis putting in the hours in the gym and I’m not talking about some half assed spinning. If you’re going to keep the white rice and late night jilabis then cardio MUST increase..and increase by a lot.

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By: Razib Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/16/harappa_ancestr/comment-page-1/#comment-282134 Razib Khan Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:22:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6450#comment-282134 <p><i>In US, I always thought obesity went hand in hand with poverty. I see lots of poor obese people when i make the dreaded visit to a Walmart.</i></p> <p>she was talking about in asia. in india and china obesity still correlates positively with wealth. the inverse correlation is operative in developed nations.</p> <p><i> (For ex: Organic food)</i></p> <p>organic food is not healthier.</p> In US, I always thought obesity went hand in hand with poverty. I see lots of poor obese people when i make the dreaded visit to a Walmart.

she was talking about in asia. in india and china obesity still correlates positively with wealth. the inverse correlation is operative in developed nations.

(For ex: Organic food)

organic food is not healthier.

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By: Jeevan Devanur http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/16/harappa_ancestr/comment-page-1/#comment-282133 Jeevan Devanur Fri, 18 Mar 2011 06:17:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6450#comment-282133 <blockquote>when South Asians are considerably wealthier, we're going to be seeing an obesity epidemic</blockquote> <p>In US, I always thought obesity went hand in hand with poverty. I see lots of poor obese people when i make the dreaded visit to a Walmart. Eating healthy takes considerable time & costs more (For ex: Organic food)</p> when South Asians are considerably wealthier, we’re going to be seeing an obesity epidemic

In US, I always thought obesity went hand in hand with poverty. I see lots of poor obese people when i make the dreaded visit to a Walmart. Eating healthy takes considerable time & costs more (For ex: Organic food)

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By: Razib Khan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/16/harappa_ancestr/comment-page-1/#comment-282131 Razib Khan Fri, 18 Mar 2011 05:31:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6450#comment-282131 <p>in other news, zack ajmal now has the biggest data set of south asian genotypes in the whole world ;-) (aside from perhaps 23andMe)</p> <p>http://www.harappadna.org/2011/03/reich-et-al-and-pan-asian-datasets/</p> in other news, zack ajmal now has the biggest data set of south asian genotypes in the whole world ;-) (aside from perhaps 23andMe)

http://www.harappadna.org/2011/03/reich-et-al-and-pan-asian-datasets/

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