Comments on: Ten years later, and we’re still not safe http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/07/ten_years_later/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Rahul Rvd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/07/ten_years_later/comment-page-2/#comment-282015 Rahul Rvd Fri, 11 Mar 2011 01:56:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6445#comment-282015 <p>I was just trying to be a smartass about the name, and speaking of that quality - upcoming smartass comment alert!</p> <p>In Hindi linguistic classifications, the term Paradesi/Videshi is used to indicate words that were derived from languages like include Persian, Turkish or Arabic. So etymologically speaking ... you are Paradesi !</p> <p>Anyway, I will stop offering my non sequiturs on this thread.</p> I was just trying to be a smartass about the name, and speaking of that quality – upcoming smartass comment alert!

In Hindi linguistic classifications, the term Paradesi/Videshi is used to indicate words that were derived from languages like include Persian, Turkish or Arabic. So etymologically speaking … you are Paradesi !

Anyway, I will stop offering my non sequiturs on this thread.

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By: Alina-M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/07/ten_years_later/comment-page-2/#comment-282014 Alina-M Fri, 11 Mar 2011 01:42:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6445#comment-282014 <p>@Rahul - PS, the "M" is for Mehmoor...about as stereotypically muslim as you can get, haha. So although I'm not religious, through my skin color, name, family and heritage, I am still tied to Islam in a sense and always will be.</p> @Rahul – PS, the “M” is for Mehmoor…about as stereotypically muslim as you can get, haha. So although I’m not religious, through my skin color, name, family and heritage, I am still tied to Islam in a sense and always will be.

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By: Alina-M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/07/ten_years_later/comment-page-2/#comment-282013 Alina-M Fri, 11 Mar 2011 01:39:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6445#comment-282013 <blockquote>In his defense, I didn't think you were Muslim either; every Alina/Alena I've ever met was Eastern European</blockquote> <p>I have mentioned my heritage a couple times now in posts. You are right that Alina is a Slavic name, but it is also Arabic. It is particularly common amongst Pashtun people of Pakistan/Afghanistan (my family is Pashtun and there is an Alina every generation). I am 100% South Asian and speak Urdu, Dari (Farsi) Pashto, and Arabic. Sorry to go off-topic but I wanted to tell you this, because I don't want to be perceived as a Pardesi here.</p> <p>@Dev - I am being honest, I said I have never "met" one :) I'm definitely aware there are some nutters, like the ones in the news frequently, but I don't think those nutters should be representative of the bunch. Thanks for the compliment.</p> In his defense, I didn’t think you were Muslim either; every Alina/Alena I’ve ever met was Eastern European

I have mentioned my heritage a couple times now in posts. You are right that Alina is a Slavic name, but it is also Arabic. It is particularly common amongst Pashtun people of Pakistan/Afghanistan (my family is Pashtun and there is an Alina every generation). I am 100% South Asian and speak Urdu, Dari (Farsi) Pashto, and Arabic. Sorry to go off-topic but I wanted to tell you this, because I don’t want to be perceived as a Pardesi here.

@Dev – I am being honest, I said I have never “met” one :) I’m definitely aware there are some nutters, like the ones in the news frequently, but I don’t think those nutters should be representative of the bunch. Thanks for the compliment.

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By: Rahul Rvd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/07/ten_years_later/comment-page-2/#comment-282009 Rahul Rvd Fri, 11 Mar 2011 01:19:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6445#comment-282009 <p>Dev: "Most americans do embrace religious tolerance today. So do most if not all hindu and sikh immigrants to America. It is mainly some muslims who love the idea of theocracy." Alina-M: "I would like to see stats indicating Muslim Americans "love the idea of theocracy"." Dev: "How many muslims dare to speak out against sharia?"</p> <p>Answer 1. http://www.minaret.org/index.html Answer 2. A lot Answer 3. Prove me otherwise</p> <p>Observation 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Converse_accident Observation 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi Observation 3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition</p> <p>Simmer down folks. Someone might end up yelling "Hindutva" soon.</p> Dev: “Most americans do embrace religious tolerance today. So do most if not all hindu and sikh immigrants to America. It is mainly some muslims who love the idea of theocracy.” Alina-M: “I would like to see stats indicating Muslim Americans “love the idea of theocracy”.” Dev: “How many muslims dare to speak out against sharia?”

Answer 1. http://www.minaret.org/index.html Answer 2. A lot Answer 3. Prove me otherwise

Observation 1: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Converse_accident Observation 2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi Observation 3: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy_of_composition

Simmer down folks. Someone might end up yelling “Hindutva” soon.

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By: Dev http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/07/ten_years_later/comment-page-2/#comment-282001 Dev Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:53:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6445#comment-282001 <blockquote>I have honestly never met a Muslim American who said any such thing. I would like to see stats indicating Muslim Americans "love the idea of theocracy". </blockquote> <p>You are not being honest. You participated in the recent thread about the protests against a popular sharia-loving speaker at a mostly desi muslim meeting in Orange County, so you are indeed aware that there are many such muslim americans. How many muslims dare to speak out against sharia?</p> <p>I just want to mention that despite the heat of the arguments I think you are quite a rational, intelligent and decent person and I think you are a breath of fresh air in this forum.</p> I have honestly never met a Muslim American who said any such thing. I would like to see stats indicating Muslim Americans “love the idea of theocracy”.

You are not being honest. You participated in the recent thread about the protests against a popular sharia-loving speaker at a mostly desi muslim meeting in Orange County, so you are indeed aware that there are many such muslim americans. How many muslims dare to speak out against sharia?

I just want to mention that despite the heat of the arguments I think you are quite a rational, intelligent and decent person and I think you are a breath of fresh air in this forum.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/07/ten_years_later/comment-page-2/#comment-282000 RC Thu, 10 Mar 2011 23:46:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6445#comment-282000 <p>I am getting a strong feeling that "Majority Minority" is PG. The North Indian city name dropping (by her) kind of giving it away !!! I could be wrong, though !!</p> <p>Quite saddened by this senseless act of hate. It is depressing.</p> I am getting a strong feeling that “Majority Minority” is PG. The North Indian city name dropping (by her) kind of giving it away !!! I could be wrong, though !!

Quite saddened by this senseless act of hate. It is depressing.

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By: Rahul Rvd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/07/ten_years_later/comment-page-2/#comment-281997 Rahul Rvd Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:40:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6445#comment-281997 <p>"If you don’t think that a non-religious person of South Asian descent with a Muslim name has a stake in a debate about Muslim Americans (or mistaken Muslims) getting attacked, then either you’re an idiot, or just not paying attention."</p> <p>In his defense, I didn't think you were Muslim either; every Alina/Alena I've ever met was Eastern European</p> “If you don’t think that a non-religious person of South Asian descent with a Muslim name has a stake in a debate about Muslim Americans (or mistaken Muslims) getting attacked, then either you’re an idiot, or just not paying attention.”

In his defense, I didn’t think you were Muslim either; every Alina/Alena I’ve ever met was Eastern European

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By: Alina-M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/07/ten_years_later/comment-page-2/#comment-281996 Alina-M Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:37:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6445#comment-281996 <blockquote>"Tolerance is really the bare minimum level of acceptance you need for normal social interaction out in the world."</blockquote> <p>And yet, it appears most of the world is nowhere close to that, which incidents like this demonstrate. If we could reach even a moderate level of tolerance within the next 50 years, that alone would be a major human accomplishment.</p> “Tolerance is really the bare minimum level of acceptance you need for normal social interaction out in the world.”

And yet, it appears most of the world is nowhere close to that, which incidents like this demonstrate. If we could reach even a moderate level of tolerance within the next 50 years, that alone would be a major human accomplishment.

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By: Alina-M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/07/ten_years_later/comment-page-2/#comment-281995 Alina-M Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:35:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6445#comment-281995 <blockquote> You don’t actually make a case for religious tolerance by telling everyone they’re full of shit without understanding where they’re coming from.</blockquote> <p>That’s not the argument I’m making at all. I suggest you go back and re-read my posts because I’m not going to respond to personal attacks based on an argument you made up. If you disagree, so be it, but don’t make up BS or put words in others mouths; that’s trolling.</p> <blockquote>My point is, it's very easy to be "tolerant" of all religions when all religions are the same to you (i.e. bullshit/fictitious/imaginary.)</blockquote> <p>Why are you assuming all philosophies are equal? Newsflash: they’re not. They each have individual aspects, some with merit and others not. You’re the one collectively lumping everything into an “imaginary” box. No one thinks Islam = Christianity = Flying Spaghetti Monster = Shintoism. You have a very Black-and-White sense of thinking here which is incompatible with reality.</p> <blockquote>If you actually have no stake in the debate then regardless of who wins the argument you're still dealing with imaginary stuff. </blockquote> <p>If you don’t think that a non-religious person of South Asian descent with a Muslim name has a stake in a debate about Muslim Americans (or mistaken Muslims) getting attacked, then either you’re an idiot, or just not paying attention.</p> <blockquote>You don't make a persuasive argument to such people by telling them "both of y'all are full of shit so stop fighting already."</blockquote> <p>No one is making that argument here. You’re literally becoming hostile for no reason and consequently misinterpreting everything and putting words in people’s mouths. Not worth responding to anymore.</p> You don’t actually make a case for religious tolerance by telling everyone they’re full of shit without understanding where they’re coming from.

That’s not the argument I’m making at all. I suggest you go back and re-read my posts because I’m not going to respond to personal attacks based on an argument you made up. If you disagree, so be it, but don’t make up BS or put words in others mouths; that’s trolling.

My point is, it’s very easy to be “tolerant” of all religions when all religions are the same to you (i.e. bullshit/fictitious/imaginary.)

Why are you assuming all philosophies are equal? Newsflash: they’re not. They each have individual aspects, some with merit and others not. You’re the one collectively lumping everything into an “imaginary” box. No one thinks Islam = Christianity = Flying Spaghetti Monster = Shintoism. You have a very Black-and-White sense of thinking here which is incompatible with reality.

If you actually have no stake in the debate then regardless of who wins the argument you’re still dealing with imaginary stuff.

If you don’t think that a non-religious person of South Asian descent with a Muslim name has a stake in a debate about Muslim Americans (or mistaken Muslims) getting attacked, then either you’re an idiot, or just not paying attention.

You don’t make a persuasive argument to such people by telling them “both of y’all are full of shit so stop fighting already.”

No one is making that argument here. You’re literally becoming hostile for no reason and consequently misinterpreting everything and putting words in people’s mouths. Not worth responding to anymore.

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By: Rahul Rvd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/07/ten_years_later/comment-page-2/#comment-281994 Rahul Rvd Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:12:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6445#comment-281994 <p>"Tolerance is really the bare minimum level of acceptance you need for normal social interaction out in the world." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWtjOzuY2Fo#t=6m02s Works in general as well.</p> <p>" If you DO actually have a strongly held opinion or belief, however, you are going to get more riled up about people disagreeing and flaunting their disagreement." http://volokh.com/2010/08/04/brilliant-people-agree-with-me/</p> “Tolerance is really the bare minimum level of acceptance you need for normal social interaction out in the world.” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWtjOzuY2Fo#t=6m02s Works in general as well.

” If you DO actually have a strongly held opinion or belief, however, you are going to get more riled up about people disagreeing and flaunting their disagreement.” http://volokh.com/2010/08/04/brilliant-people-agree-with-me/

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