Comments on: Behind the Orange Curtain is a Minority Majority http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/04/behind_the_oran/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Majority Minority http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/04/behind_the_oran/comment-page-2/#comment-282251 Majority Minority Thu, 24 Mar 2011 22:55:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6442#comment-282251 <p>Alina M: "A lot of the stuff you say is relevant here, but I'm starting to think you might have a bigger audience on websites like Stormfront.org"</p> <ol> <li>Shaming language doesn't work with me.</li> <li>Islam is not a race.</li> </ol> <p>The Arctic Bong: "On the contrary, Sweden has state sponsored multiculturalism as well, however societal pressure forces you to assimilate in order to get a job etc. I should know, I have lived there since birth."</p> <p>Interesting. What about those on government welfare? Do they assimilate as well? UK has a problem with "ghettoization" and from what I read about Sweden, I was under the impression that it also had a problem with low-no income immigrants clustering and not assimilating. Am I being misinformed?</p> <p>Perhaps you've heard of Anjem Chaudhary (another Bong?) who feels entitled to UK government benefits (the dole) while openly speaking against the very country, culture and tax paying citizens that feed him.</p> <p>Mack Daddy gets on TV alot and sure knows how to milk the system to promote his agenda.</p> <p>See here;</p> <p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcCLf1LulX4</p> <p>So - how's it working out in Sweden? Bhalo or bhalo na?</p> Alina M: “A lot of the stuff you say is relevant here, but I’m starting to think you might have a bigger audience on websites like Stormfront.org”

  1. Shaming language doesn’t work with me.
  2. Islam is not a race.

The Arctic Bong: “On the contrary, Sweden has state sponsored multiculturalism as well, however societal pressure forces you to assimilate in order to get a job etc. I should know, I have lived there since birth.”

Interesting. What about those on government welfare? Do they assimilate as well? UK has a problem with “ghettoization” and from what I read about Sweden, I was under the impression that it also had a problem with low-no income immigrants clustering and not assimilating. Am I being misinformed?

Perhaps you’ve heard of Anjem Chaudhary (another Bong?) who feels entitled to UK government benefits (the dole) while openly speaking against the very country, culture and tax paying citizens that feed him.

Mack Daddy gets on TV alot and sure knows how to milk the system to promote his agenda.

See here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tcCLf1LulX4

So – how’s it working out in Sweden? Bhalo or bhalo na?

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By: Alina-M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/04/behind_the_oran/comment-page-2/#comment-282170 Alina-M Sat, 19 Mar 2011 22:13:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6442#comment-282170 <blockquote>Out of curiousity, are you for or against a majority population of any region of the world being displaced by a minority with whom they do not share a similar culture?</blockquote> <p>I'm not Taz, so I can't answer you question, but I find it curious you would phrase it in such a way. When examining history, it appears that the region now known as California was first occupied by Amerindian tribes for thousands of years, then <i>briefly</i> became occupied by a white-European majority for roughly 200 years, and now the majority is returning to people of Amerindian descent again, as it has always been. In the timeline of history, that white invasion is a blip on the radar, a brief pocket of time when a minority group displaced the indigenous population and then were quickly displaced again. If you were speaking of Europe, you might have a valid point here, but it makes no sense in regard to California.</p> <p>This blog is meant to discuss cultural issues of the Desi community, and it seems to me that what you really want to discuss is the immigration and integration of non-white people into Western cultures. A lot of the stuff you say <i>is</i> relevant here, but I'm starting to think you might have a bigger audience on websites like Stormfront.org.</p> Out of curiousity, are you for or against a majority population of any region of the world being displaced by a minority with whom they do not share a similar culture?

I’m not Taz, so I can’t answer you question, but I find it curious you would phrase it in such a way. When examining history, it appears that the region now known as California was first occupied by Amerindian tribes for thousands of years, then briefly became occupied by a white-European majority for roughly 200 years, and now the majority is returning to people of Amerindian descent again, as it has always been. In the timeline of history, that white invasion is a blip on the radar, a brief pocket of time when a minority group displaced the indigenous population and then were quickly displaced again. If you were speaking of Europe, you might have a valid point here, but it makes no sense in regard to California.

This blog is meant to discuss cultural issues of the Desi community, and it seems to me that what you really want to discuss is the immigration and integration of non-white people into Western cultures. A lot of the stuff you say is relevant here, but I’m starting to think you might have a bigger audience on websites like Stormfront.org.

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By: Majority Minority http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/04/behind_the_oran/comment-page-2/#comment-282169 Majority Minority Sat, 19 Mar 2011 21:58:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6442#comment-282169 <p>In addition to my above post I have a question for Taz, although it appears that she wrote this blog and then disappeared when the comments started rolling...</p> <p>" I would go as far as to say that because Orange County is a minority majority now, these two incidences are a clear reflection of the fear felt by the now “minority” Whites. They are scared, and they are backlashing."</p> <p>Out of curiousity, are you for or against a majority population of any region of the world being displaced by a minority with whom they do not share a similar culture?</p> <p>If so, why?</p> <p>If not, why not?</p> In addition to my above post I have a question for Taz, although it appears that she wrote this blog and then disappeared when the comments started rolling…

” I would go as far as to say that because Orange County is a minority majority now, these two incidences are a clear reflection of the fear felt by the now “minority” Whites. They are scared, and they are backlashing.”

Out of curiousity, are you for or against a majority population of any region of the world being displaced by a minority with whom they do not share a similar culture?

If so, why?

If not, why not?

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By: Majority Minority http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/04/behind_the_oran/comment-page-2/#comment-282168 Majority Minority Sat, 19 Mar 2011 20:16:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6442#comment-282168 <p>Yoga Fire: "The hijab is based on a different culture’s differing standard of modesty."</p> <ul> <li>Thankyou for proving my exact point.</li> </ul> <p>Alina M: "Well when I was in high school I used to babysit for a Muslim woman (Egyptian) who went to my family's mosque, and her 7 year old daughter wore a hijab to school - I asked her why, and her reasoning was that she wanted to acclimate her daughter to wearing hijab in public from a young age, rather than have her start wearing it at age 13 or whatever."</p> <ul> <li>Very telling, indeed. Thanks to you to for proving my point.</li> </ul> <p>Now, can I get any answers as to just how much change of the American cultural fabric is "ok" with people here?</p> <p>Afterall, Middle Eastern and South Asian Muslims immigrate here for a reason. Reasons that they can't get fulfilled in their own countries where hijab is a cultural norm.</p> <p>Does anyone think that a preponderance of hijabis in the US will change what's attractive about this country to people around the world and to Americans ourselves?</p> <p>Is the hijab isolated or does it come with it social and cultural values that could be beneficial or harmful to the US?</p> Yoga Fire: “The hijab is based on a different culture’s differing standard of modesty.”

  • Thankyou for proving my exact point.

Alina M: “Well when I was in high school I used to babysit for a Muslim woman (Egyptian) who went to my family’s mosque, and her 7 year old daughter wore a hijab to school – I asked her why, and her reasoning was that she wanted to acclimate her daughter to wearing hijab in public from a young age, rather than have her start wearing it at age 13 or whatever.”

  • Very telling, indeed. Thanks to you to for proving my point.

Now, can I get any answers as to just how much change of the American cultural fabric is “ok” with people here?

Afterall, Middle Eastern and South Asian Muslims immigrate here for a reason. Reasons that they can’t get fulfilled in their own countries where hijab is a cultural norm.

Does anyone think that a preponderance of hijabis in the US will change what’s attractive about this country to people around the world and to Americans ourselves?

Is the hijab isolated or does it come with it social and cultural values that could be beneficial or harmful to the US?

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By: Alina-M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/04/behind_the_oran/comment-page-2/#comment-282091 Alina-M Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:31:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6442#comment-282091 <p>Gender specific garments aren't uncommon in religion (yamulkas, turbans, habits...) so that aspect of hijab doesn't bother me. What does bother me is when women are forced to wear a hijab or burqa against their will. If that's not the case, and the woman is wearing it voluntarily, I don't have an issue with it.</p> <blockquote>It's kind of like how Hindus are made to feel like they have to explain themselves about the cows and the many armed Gods but White people don't have to answer for their bizarre reverence towards dogs and cats. </blockquote> <p>Oh, I don't know about that...every time my Grandma comes over, I have to explain why my dog gets to sleep in my room every night. At least we're past the point where we would have to put him in the backyard when she comes over... :)</p> Gender specific garments aren’t uncommon in religion (yamulkas, turbans, habits…) so that aspect of hijab doesn’t bother me. What does bother me is when women are forced to wear a hijab or burqa against their will. If that’s not the case, and the woman is wearing it voluntarily, I don’t have an issue with it.

It’s kind of like how Hindus are made to feel like they have to explain themselves about the cows and the many armed Gods but White people don’t have to answer for their bizarre reverence towards dogs and cats.

Oh, I don’t know about that…every time my Grandma comes over, I have to explain why my dog gets to sleep in my room every night. At least we’re past the point where we would have to put him in the backyard when she comes over… :)

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/04/behind_the_oran/comment-page-2/#comment-282090 Yoga Fire Wed, 16 Mar 2011 21:08:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6442#comment-282090 <p>I'm not really concerned about equality as an end in itself so much as preserving everyone's fundamental human dignity. That generally means ensuring some parity in terms of power dynamics to prevent any group for asserting dominance over others, but the that's not the objective on it's own.</p> I’m not really concerned about equality as an end in itself so much as preserving everyone’s fundamental human dignity. That generally means ensuring some parity in terms of power dynamics to prevent any group for asserting dominance over others, but the that’s not the objective on it’s own.

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By: The Arctic Bong http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/04/behind_the_oran/comment-page-2/#comment-282089 The Arctic Bong Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:16:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6442#comment-282089 <p>You are right of course, there can be many such examples. But striving for equality is universal, you could have made a similar defence about caste.Striving for gender equality is not a western phenomena, and the roots of the hijab is obvious.</p> You are right of course, there can be many such examples. But striving for equality is universal, you could have made a similar defence about caste.Striving for gender equality is not a western phenomena, and the roots of the hijab is obvious.

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/04/behind_the_oran/comment-page-2/#comment-282088 Yoga Fire Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:53:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6442#comment-282088 <p>That first sentence was supposed to say "dominant cultural mores that get sold. . ."</p> That first sentence was supposed to say “dominant cultural mores that get sold. . .”

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/04/behind_the_oran/comment-page-2/#comment-282087 Yoga Fire Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:52:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6442#comment-282087 <blockquote> but the fact that it is womens responsibility if men can't behave. </blockquote> <p>When the dominant cultural that gets sold around the world IS the Western one (and a more libertine version of it that even many Westerners are sometimes discomforted by) it does make the comparatively more stringent standard in Islamic countries seem "weird" or "otherized." I figured the whole idea of the hijab being intended to avoid lustful gazes was more of a post hoc rationalization than anything else. It's kind of like how Hindus are made to feel like they have to explain themselves about the cows and the many armed Gods but White people don't have to answer for their bizarre reverence towards dogs and cats.</p> but the fact that it is womens responsibility if men can’t behave.

When the dominant cultural that gets sold around the world IS the Western one (and a more libertine version of it that even many Westerners are sometimes discomforted by) it does make the comparatively more stringent standard in Islamic countries seem “weird” or “otherized.” I figured the whole idea of the hijab being intended to avoid lustful gazes was more of a post hoc rationalization than anything else. It’s kind of like how Hindus are made to feel like they have to explain themselves about the cows and the many armed Gods but White people don’t have to answer for their bizarre reverence towards dogs and cats.

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By: The Arctic Bong http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/03/04/behind_the_oran/comment-page-2/#comment-282086 The Arctic Bong Wed, 16 Mar 2011 18:14:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6442#comment-282086 <p>On the contrary, Sweden has state sponsored multiculturalism as well, however societal pressure forces you to assimilate in order to get a job etc. I should know, I have lived there since birth.</p> On the contrary, Sweden has state sponsored multiculturalism as well, however societal pressure forces you to assimilate in order to get a job etc. I should know, I have lived there since birth.

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