Comments on: Is Mandvi the new Cosby? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/02/18/as_a_brown_chil/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: anony http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/02/18/as_a_brown_chil/comment-page-1/#comment-281698 anony Sun, 27 Feb 2011 21:16:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6427#comment-281698 <p>"Perhaps things will never change in the deep south, so be it. I expect those places to get further left behind as the world economy becomes globalized. The schism between rich and poor will increase in linear fashion to the schism between educated and uneducated."</p> <p>Racism is alive and well in the North just as it is in the South, it just manifests differently. To put the blame of racism squarely on the shoulders of Southern whites absolves the daily and toxic racism that occurs in the North by Nothern whites. Do we really need to talk about the numerous unarmed black men shot in the back by NYPD?</p> <p>Come on down to the deep South sometime...things have changed a lot.</p> “Perhaps things will never change in the deep south, so be it. I expect those places to get further left behind as the world economy becomes globalized. The schism between rich and poor will increase in linear fashion to the schism between educated and uneducated.”

Racism is alive and well in the North just as it is in the South, it just manifests differently. To put the blame of racism squarely on the shoulders of Southern whites absolves the daily and toxic racism that occurs in the North by Nothern whites. Do we really need to talk about the numerous unarmed black men shot in the back by NYPD?

Come on down to the deep South sometime…things have changed a lot.

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By: Anonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/02/18/as_a_brown_chil/comment-page-1/#comment-281675 Anonymous Sat, 26 Feb 2011 22:49:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6427#comment-281675 <p>I came across your site by accident and I'm glad I stumbled in.</p> <p>One poster mentioned the post-Cosby show era as perhaps being a bit more racist than one would think. An ironic statement, but full of truth I believe, considering the United States has it's first African American president.</p> <p>I think part of what we're witnessing is the fact that white americans are soon to become a minority in the United States. While many see this as just a natural progression of shifting demographics, many do not and see the loss of white privilege and status as racial majority as something they can not and will not stomach.</p> <p>While it took just a few generations for the Irish, Italians, Jews, Greeks and other ethnic groups to assimilate into America and be considered White, it was easier to stomach, get used to, and move on, because of skin color.</p> <p>Once you toss in brown skin, a different religion (and even if you're Christian, you're still considered different) and different ethnicities (try explaining or asking the average American what the difference between an Iranian and Iraqi citizen) and it's just too much for them to deal with.</p> <p>People change because they truly want to. I don't believe a TV show honestly changes what's in a persons heart. Besides which, not every person of color wants to wear sweaters or follow the template laid out by the Cosby Show. I haven't watched Outsourced; the few promos I did catch only made me shake my head and wonder who on earth came up with such a show and why.</p> <p>It's a tough issue that no one has put in the arena for public discussion so far. But I think blogs and forums such as yours at least have presence and help to get the ball rolling.</p> I came across your site by accident and I’m glad I stumbled in.

One poster mentioned the post-Cosby show era as perhaps being a bit more racist than one would think. An ironic statement, but full of truth I believe, considering the United States has it’s first African American president.

I think part of what we’re witnessing is the fact that white americans are soon to become a minority in the United States. While many see this as just a natural progression of shifting demographics, many do not and see the loss of white privilege and status as racial majority as something they can not and will not stomach.

While it took just a few generations for the Irish, Italians, Jews, Greeks and other ethnic groups to assimilate into America and be considered White, it was easier to stomach, get used to, and move on, because of skin color.

Once you toss in brown skin, a different religion (and even if you’re Christian, you’re still considered different) and different ethnicities (try explaining or asking the average American what the difference between an Iranian and Iraqi citizen) and it’s just too much for them to deal with.

People change because they truly want to. I don’t believe a TV show honestly changes what’s in a persons heart. Besides which, not every person of color wants to wear sweaters or follow the template laid out by the Cosby Show. I haven’t watched Outsourced; the few promos I did catch only made me shake my head and wonder who on earth came up with such a show and why.

It’s a tough issue that no one has put in the arena for public discussion so far. But I think blogs and forums such as yours at least have presence and help to get the ball rolling.

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By: Rahul Rvd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/02/18/as_a_brown_chil/comment-page-1/#comment-281666 Rahul Rvd Sat, 26 Feb 2011 00:43:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6427#comment-281666 <p>"You have to act by the subscribed norms of any society to fit in. "</p> <p>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHmNpacogSo</p> “You have to act by the subscribed norms of any society to fit in. “

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHmNpacogSo

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By: kidpoker666 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/02/18/as_a_brown_chil/comment-page-1/#comment-281652 kidpoker666 Thu, 24 Feb 2011 21:26:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6427#comment-281652 <p>" Do you have to act white to fit into American society?"</p> <p>radical, You have to act by the subscribed norms of any society to fit in. For the country club set act like carlton banks and master your hybrid clubs. If you want to get in the horse crowd get in good at Santa Anita.</p> <p>How do you define American society?</p> <p>Is it broad and multicultural, old school WASP?</p> <p>That will define what you have to do to fit in.</p> ” Do you have to act white to fit into American society?”

radical, You have to act by the subscribed norms of any society to fit in. For the country club set act like carlton banks and master your hybrid clubs. If you want to get in the horse crowd get in good at Santa Anita.

How do you define American society?

Is it broad and multicultural, old school WASP?

That will define what you have to do to fit in.

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By: radicaldesi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/02/18/as_a_brown_chil/comment-page-1/#comment-281650 radicaldesi Thu, 24 Feb 2011 20:33:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6427#comment-281650 <p>Growing up as a desi kid in an all white community in the 80s and 90s to the strictest parents ever- the Cosby show was one of the only shows I was actually allowed to watch.</p> <p>Yet the Cosby's blend into american society pretty well, and many could argue the show is pretty "whitewashed." (Which seems to be Mandvi's point in his parody). There weren't many episodes where their problems were around their race. You hardly saw anyone interact with them outside their house. Which raises the ever important question- Do you have to act white to fit into American society?</p> <p>My problems as a brown kid were things like- explaining to people why my dad wears a turban, how to pronounce my name, and why does my house always smell kinda funny?</p> <p>Don't get me wrong, I loved the Cosby's but it definitely didn't make me feel normal, or help me assimilate as a brown kid in a white world.</p> Growing up as a desi kid in an all white community in the 80s and 90s to the strictest parents ever- the Cosby show was one of the only shows I was actually allowed to watch.

Yet the Cosby’s blend into american society pretty well, and many could argue the show is pretty “whitewashed.” (Which seems to be Mandvi’s point in his parody). There weren’t many episodes where their problems were around their race. You hardly saw anyone interact with them outside their house. Which raises the ever important question- Do you have to act white to fit into American society?

My problems as a brown kid were things like- explaining to people why my dad wears a turban, how to pronounce my name, and why does my house always smell kinda funny?

Don’t get me wrong, I loved the Cosby’s but it definitely didn’t make me feel normal, or help me assimilate as a brown kid in a white world.

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By: Anotherdesiguy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/02/18/as_a_brown_chil/comment-page-1/#comment-281646 Anotherdesiguy Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:33:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6427#comment-281646 <p>world economy becomes globalized?? What does stereotypes and perceptions have to do with economy and globalization?</p> world economy becomes globalized?? What does stereotypes and perceptions have to do with economy and globalization?

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By: Suchismita http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/02/18/as_a_brown_chil/comment-page-1/#comment-281645 Suchismita Thu, 24 Feb 2011 04:32:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6427#comment-281645 <p>Haha, you know it would be fairly neat to see the equivalent of a Cosby show- but with actual reference to cultural differences/behaviour differences and the troubles and fun of assimilating/ adapting them to American lifestyles/customs/society.</p> <p>At least..then the younger ones could have some sort of positive role models, especially for first-generations, that defeat the typical stereotypes of being either Muslim or just South Asian in the States.</p> <p>But I do agree, that if the audience is like that pilot audience, it probably would miss. Again.</p> Haha, you know it would be fairly neat to see the equivalent of a Cosby show- but with actual reference to cultural differences/behaviour differences and the troubles and fun of assimilating/ adapting them to American lifestyles/customs/society.

At least..then the younger ones could have some sort of positive role models, especially for first-generations, that defeat the typical stereotypes of being either Muslim or just South Asian in the States.

But I do agree, that if the audience is like that pilot audience, it probably would miss. Again.

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By: Kate http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/02/18/as_a_brown_chil/comment-page-1/#comment-281609 Kate Sun, 20 Feb 2011 19:53:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6427#comment-281609 <p>Funny enough, I kind of thought this parody of a Cosby show was pretty much the point of Mandvi's recent feature film "Daily Special". There is really a sliver of a plot there, but the film exposes the audience to an ordinary South Asian Muslim family. I found myself wishing that it had wider distribution, and then thought of the Cosby show's role in 1980's culture. Aside from race, the Cosby show acted as a window to an upper middle class black family, which many Americans had no exposure to. Most Americans linked race with poverty, and this show had a serious role in breaking those issues apart. I feel that if Mandvi could write a show with some edginess and humor (not satire) it might really be helpful. His test audience sort of hinted at that, though their suggestions are based on their own stereotypes. FYI there is another show in Canada that has a very similar aim. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Mosque_on_the_Prairie">Little Mosque on the Prairie</a>. Not great TV but a very interesting try.</p> Funny enough, I kind of thought this parody of a Cosby show was pretty much the point of Mandvi’s recent feature film “Daily Special”. There is really a sliver of a plot there, but the film exposes the audience to an ordinary South Asian Muslim family. I found myself wishing that it had wider distribution, and then thought of the Cosby show’s role in 1980′s culture. Aside from race, the Cosby show acted as a window to an upper middle class black family, which many Americans had no exposure to. Most Americans linked race with poverty, and this show had a serious role in breaking those issues apart. I feel that if Mandvi could write a show with some edginess and humor (not satire) it might really be helpful. His test audience sort of hinted at that, though their suggestions are based on their own stereotypes. FYI there is another show in Canada that has a very similar aim. Little Mosque on the Prairie. Not great TV but a very interesting try.

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By: Neil Bhatt http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/02/18/as_a_brown_chil/comment-page-1/#comment-281608 Neil Bhatt Sun, 20 Feb 2011 12:11:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6427#comment-281608 <p>I hope so!</p> I hope so!

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By: supersticky http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2011/02/18/as_a_brown_chil/comment-page-1/#comment-281607 supersticky Sun, 20 Feb 2011 03:48:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6427#comment-281607 <p>@ KXB I agree with that last point of yours. We can't really have a show about a typical Muslim family and expect it to have any positive impact unless it helps clarify the complexity surrounding the term Muslim in some way. I mean, if we have a show about a 'brown' Muslim family (assuming that for the sake of simplicity that we must very broadly and inaccurately group together brown Muslims from both the east and west of south asia) , then we should have a another one about a black Muslim family, and another of a white Muslim family, and yet another about an east asian Muslim family. Then the issue becomes, which type of Muslim are we trying to push forward as the 'face' of Muslim Americans? The fact of the matter is that we'd only be propagating more stereotypes about Muslims by having a show like 'Allah in the Family'. I'm not saying that the show would not be entertaining, in fact I think that this is the sort of thing that can gradually pave the way for more understanding and deliver a few good laughs along the way.</p> @ KXB I agree with that last point of yours. We can’t really have a show about a typical Muslim family and expect it to have any positive impact unless it helps clarify the complexity surrounding the term Muslim in some way. I mean, if we have a show about a ‘brown’ Muslim family (assuming that for the sake of simplicity that we must very broadly and inaccurately group together brown Muslims from both the east and west of south asia) , then we should have a another one about a black Muslim family, and another of a white Muslim family, and yet another about an east asian Muslim family. Then the issue becomes, which type of Muslim are we trying to push forward as the ‘face’ of Muslim Americans? The fact of the matter is that we’d only be propagating more stereotypes about Muslims by having a show like ‘Allah in the Family’. I’m not saying that the show would not be entertaining, in fact I think that this is the sort of thing that can gradually pave the way for more understanding and deliver a few good laughs along the way.

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