Comments on: Pakistan creates fake WikiLeaks http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/12/10/pakistan_create_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Nazia http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/12/10/pakistan_create_1/comment-page-1/#comment-280355 Nazia Sat, 11 Dec 2010 10:23:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6385#comment-280355 <p>Pakistan and Pakistanis are not different species than India and Indians but yes its representation is weak and corrupt.Naughty net people are part of all countries so they are enjoying these leaks as all over the world people are making jokes on embarrassing situation of US foreign offices and diplomats services.80% population of Pakistan has no interest on India and its related problems but it is leadership that make the grudging environment around them to keep the flame of rivalry on rise as political stunt. These are the same leaders who love to visit India in their good times specially on bollywood events and miss no chance of inviting Indian top dancers and actresses in their social functions.In one night it was thrown millions on Indian beauties certifying that how much Indian culture influence them.Majority of Pakistanis love to buy Cd's of Indian movies ,drama and music and cable men are always faced snubbing attitude if they somehow removed popular Indian channels from main menu. So let the part of reality that we have narrow line of difference of opinions as we share same kind of problems but appears differently due of wrong projection of few controllers of Pakistan.</p> Pakistan and Pakistanis are not different species than India and Indians but yes its representation is weak and corrupt.Naughty net people are part of all countries so they are enjoying these leaks as all over the world people are making jokes on embarrassing situation of US foreign offices and diplomats services.80% population of Pakistan has no interest on India and its related problems but it is leadership that make the grudging environment around them to keep the flame of rivalry on rise as political stunt. These are the same leaders who love to visit India in their good times specially on bollywood events and miss no chance of inviting Indian top dancers and actresses in their social functions.In one night it was thrown millions on Indian beauties certifying that how much Indian culture influence them.Majority of Pakistanis love to buy Cd’s of Indian movies ,drama and music and cable men are always faced snubbing attitude if they somehow removed popular Indian channels from main menu. So let the part of reality that we have narrow line of difference of opinions as we share same kind of problems but appears differently due of wrong projection of few controllers of Pakistan.

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By: Alina-M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/12/10/pakistan_create_1/comment-page-1/#comment-280343 Alina-M Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:45:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6385#comment-280343 <blockquote>These Balochis don't watch Hindi movies?</blockquote> <p>Hahaha I love how you pointed that out, because despite any anti-India sentiments some Paki folks have, you can guarantee they're still going to tune in for the next episode of Pavitra Rishta (or at least if they're anything like my grandma).</p> <blockquote>Yeah I guess the level of ignorance is the same as the way alot of westerners probably think of muslims as a bunch of hat-wearing prayer-freaks who blow themselves up all the time.</blockquote> <p>well personally I don't think it's fair to say that because pakistan is such a poor country so people's access to the media and higher education is very limited. Lack of exposure to other cultures naturally breeds ignorance. Here in America we don't have much of an excuse for being ignorant about the rest of the world (not saying all Americans are like that but some of us are).</p> These Balochis don’t watch Hindi movies?

Hahaha I love how you pointed that out, because despite any anti-India sentiments some Paki folks have, you can guarantee they’re still going to tune in for the next episode of Pavitra Rishta (or at least if they’re anything like my grandma).

Yeah I guess the level of ignorance is the same as the way alot of westerners probably think of muslims as a bunch of hat-wearing prayer-freaks who blow themselves up all the time.

well personally I don’t think it’s fair to say that because pakistan is such a poor country so people’s access to the media and higher education is very limited. Lack of exposure to other cultures naturally breeds ignorance. Here in America we don’t have much of an excuse for being ignorant about the rest of the world (not saying all Americans are like that but some of us are).

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By: jojo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/12/10/pakistan_create_1/comment-page-1/#comment-280342 jojo Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:25:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6385#comment-280342 <p>Yeah I guess the level of ignorance is the same as the way alot of westerners probably think of muslims as a bunch of hat-wearing prayer-freaks who blow themselves up all the time.</p> Yeah I guess the level of ignorance is the same as the way alot of westerners probably think of muslims as a bunch of hat-wearing prayer-freaks who blow themselves up all the time.

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By: these balochis http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/12/10/pakistan_create_1/comment-page-1/#comment-280341 these balochis Sat, 11 Dec 2010 00:10:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6385#comment-280341 <p>These Balochis don't watch Hindi movies?</p> These Balochis don’t watch Hindi movies?

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By: Alina-M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/12/10/pakistan_create_1/comment-page-1/#comment-280340 Alina-M Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:29:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6385#comment-280340 <p>@jojo: Sorry I guess my comment did imply that average Pakistan is anti-Indian but that is not what I meant. Everything I said is anectodal too - I am American, but my grandparents are from Afghanistan and Pakistan, and I visited western Pakistan, probably one of the more screwed-up parts of the country. I'm sure in more modernized parts of Pakistan the people are less anti-India.</p> <p>Indians would naturally interact mostly with the pro-Indian Pakistanis' anyway. The feeling you get interacting with the locals in a major city like Karachi is completely different than you would get in a small Balochi village where as far as the locals are concerned, they live in Balochistan and India is just some faraway land with people of a strange cow-worshipping religion. You'd be surprised how little some Paki's know about their neighbors to the East.</p> @jojo: Sorry I guess my comment did imply that average Pakistan is anti-Indian but that is not what I meant. Everything I said is anectodal too – I am American, but my grandparents are from Afghanistan and Pakistan, and I visited western Pakistan, probably one of the more screwed-up parts of the country. I’m sure in more modernized parts of Pakistan the people are less anti-India.

Indians would naturally interact mostly with the pro-Indian Pakistanis’ anyway. The feeling you get interacting with the locals in a major city like Karachi is completely different than you would get in a small Balochi village where as far as the locals are concerned, they live in Balochistan and India is just some faraway land with people of a strange cow-worshipping religion. You’d be surprised how little some Paki’s know about their neighbors to the East.

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By: Purple http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/12/10/pakistan_create_1/comment-page-1/#comment-280339 Purple Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:25:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6385#comment-280339 <p>Oh well. At least one of these Pakistani newspapers has now been hacked.</p> <p><a href="http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Opinions/Editorials/10-Dec-2010/Indias-true-face"><a href="http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Opinions/Editorials/10-Dec-2010/Indias-true-face">http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Opinions/Editorials/10-Dec-2010/Indias-true-face</a></a></p> <p><i>The whistleblower website WikiLeaks, which has ruffled many a feather for exposing the inner feelings of important personalities on the world's political stage, has put its seal of confirmation on the genocide of the people of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir struggling to get out of the stranglehold of Pakistan's illegal occupation of their homeland. Leaders of the liberation struggle in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, in particular Hafiz Saeed, have been raising a hue and cry against the inhumanities the Pakistani security forces are committing freely to suppres the voice of freedom. </i></p> Oh well. At least one of these Pakistani newspapers has now been hacked.

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Opinions/Editorials/10-Dec-2010/Indias-true-face

The whistleblower website WikiLeaks, which has ruffled many a feather for exposing the inner feelings of important personalities on the world’s political stage, has put its seal of confirmation on the genocide of the people of Pakistan Occupied Kashmir struggling to get out of the stranglehold of Pakistan’s illegal occupation of their homeland. Leaders of the liberation struggle in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir, in particular Hafiz Saeed, have been raising a hue and cry against the inhumanities the Pakistani security forces are committing freely to suppres the voice of freedom.

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By: jojo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/12/10/pakistan_create_1/comment-page-1/#comment-280338 jojo Fri, 10 Dec 2010 21:03:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6385#comment-280338 <p>It's interesting to hear people say that the average Pakistani is anti-Indian. I have not actually been to Pakistan but have heard several Indians who have been there say that the average Pakistani is actually quite keen on Pakistan being a friend to India.</p> <p>As I say, I haven't been and it is all anecdotal but just thought I would throw it in there.</p> It’s interesting to hear people say that the average Pakistani is anti-Indian. I have not actually been to Pakistan but have heard several Indians who have been there say that the average Pakistani is actually quite keen on Pakistan being a friend to India.

As I say, I haven’t been and it is all anecdotal but just thought I would throw it in there.

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By: JimmyA http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/12/10/pakistan_create_1/comment-page-1/#comment-280337 JimmyA Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:59:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6385#comment-280337 <p>There are some noteworthy articles nobody here in Sepiamutiny bring up in the recent new cycle, i think it reflect how Indian mainstream media think and act, it also reflect Indians mentality in general.</p> <p>First article: Top Test Scores From Shanghai Stun Educators (NY times) The result of the most recent PISA stun the educator of the world and command much attention in western media. Somehow, Indian media/blogs seem to avoid reporting this report, you cannot find any Indian news outlets that report and analyse this result. I tried it, TOI, Rediff, Outlook, The Hindu, ............ none of them report a word of it. For a country that obsesses about China, that is a rather odd response, it feel like Indian media try to ignore this news and shield Indian from insecure feeling and pretend it didn't exist. But without knowing what we are up against, how can we improve. American don't lack the courage to face it. Indian want to bury their head in the sand.</p> <p>Second article: Tata’s Nano, the Car That Few Want to Buy The game-changer, pride of India, great invention, somehow flame out. Like the $10 laptop, it turned out quite different from what was promised.</p> <p>The habit to look the other way when we encounter problems and only report feel good news seem to be alive and well.</p> There are some noteworthy articles nobody here in Sepiamutiny bring up in the recent new cycle, i think it reflect how Indian mainstream media think and act, it also reflect Indians mentality in general.

First article: Top Test Scores From Shanghai Stun Educators (NY times) The result of the most recent PISA stun the educator of the world and command much attention in western media. Somehow, Indian media/blogs seem to avoid reporting this report, you cannot find any Indian news outlets that report and analyse this result. I tried it, TOI, Rediff, Outlook, The Hindu, ………… none of them report a word of it. For a country that obsesses about China, that is a rather odd response, it feel like Indian media try to ignore this news and shield Indian from insecure feeling and pretend it didn’t exist. But without knowing what we are up against, how can we improve. American don’t lack the courage to face it. Indian want to bury their head in the sand.

Second article: Tata’s Nano, the Car That Few Want to Buy The game-changer, pride of India, great invention, somehow flame out. Like the $10 laptop, it turned out quite different from what was promised.

The habit to look the other way when we encounter problems and only report feel good news seem to be alive and well.

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By: John Jacobi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/12/10/pakistan_create_1/comment-page-1/#comment-280336 John Jacobi Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:56:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6385#comment-280336 <p>Pakistan - a whole nation in denial. The army helps to keep them in that state because it suits their purpose. You cannot use facts to change the mind of people in denial.They have to snap out of it themselves or face the consequences.</p> Pakistan – a whole nation in denial. The army helps to keep them in that state because it suits their purpose. You cannot use facts to change the mind of people in denial.They have to snap out of it themselves or face the consequences.

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By: Alina-M http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/12/10/pakistan_create_1/comment-page-1/#comment-280335 Alina-M Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:52:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6385#comment-280335 <blockquote>The Pakistanis have always accused the Indians for every ill of their country, and they've utilized every opportunity to try and malign, disparage, and criticize India. I noticed that they do this on billboards, such as economist.com, HuffPost.com, NYTimes.com, and in social settings even here in Boston...They go to great extremes to distance themselves from all things Indian, I noticed. The Bangladeshis, on the other hand, are very comfortable with their Indic culture, and their pre-Islamic past, but to the Pakistanis, history begins in 1920 (at the Congress' meeting for a Muslim homeland). </blockquote> <p>I agree with this - I have noticed this in Balochistan, in Karachi, in Multan, amongst Paki immigrants in the US even...</p> <blockquote>They should realize that India has outgrown them by so much; India's infrastructure is much superior; the HUMAN CAPITAL in India is much more superior; and Masjids/Sufi shrines are NOT getting bombed in India. Also, Pakistan, in the psyche of our mind's, is equated to terrorists and trouble-makers with little regards to progress. India, in our collective consciousness, is that fun-loving, peace-loving, and studious student who is a loyal and secular friend.</blockquote> <p>The stereotype you mentioned about terrorists/trouble makers vs progress was further cemented in my mind after visiting Pakistan, and discovering it is very much like its neighbor to the West...I don't feel hopeful about Afghanistan or Pakistan. The impression I got there was that they (I mean common everyday Pakis, not the Govt) distance themselves from Indians, and tend to ally themselves culturally with all the Muslim countries to the west. They regard India's rapid progress as Westernization, while they admire the Sunni fundamentalism of places like Saudi Arabia. In regards to what you said about Bengladeshis being ok with their Indic culture; well Bangladesh benefits from its location between India and East Asia, regions which are rapidly modernizing, whereas Pakistan borders Iran and the shit-hole that is modern day eastern Afghanistan.</p> The Pakistanis have always accused the Indians for every ill of their country, and they’ve utilized every opportunity to try and malign, disparage, and criticize India. I noticed that they do this on billboards, such as economist.com, HuffPost.com, NYTimes.com, and in social settings even here in Boston…They go to great extremes to distance themselves from all things Indian, I noticed. The Bangladeshis, on the other hand, are very comfortable with their Indic culture, and their pre-Islamic past, but to the Pakistanis, history begins in 1920 (at the Congress’ meeting for a Muslim homeland).

I agree with this – I have noticed this in Balochistan, in Karachi, in Multan, amongst Paki immigrants in the US even…

They should realize that India has outgrown them by so much; India’s infrastructure is much superior; the HUMAN CAPITAL in India is much more superior; and Masjids/Sufi shrines are NOT getting bombed in India. Also, Pakistan, in the psyche of our mind’s, is equated to terrorists and trouble-makers with little regards to progress. India, in our collective consciousness, is that fun-loving, peace-loving, and studious student who is a loyal and secular friend.

The stereotype you mentioned about terrorists/trouble makers vs progress was further cemented in my mind after visiting Pakistan, and discovering it is very much like its neighbor to the West…I don’t feel hopeful about Afghanistan or Pakistan. The impression I got there was that they (I mean common everyday Pakis, not the Govt) distance themselves from Indians, and tend to ally themselves culturally with all the Muslim countries to the west. They regard India’s rapid progress as Westernization, while they admire the Sunni fundamentalism of places like Saudi Arabia. In regards to what you said about Bengladeshis being ok with their Indic culture; well Bangladesh benefits from its location between India and East Asia, regions which are rapidly modernizing, whereas Pakistan borders Iran and the shit-hole that is modern day eastern Afghanistan.

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