Comments on: Obama to India: “Pull up a chair” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/11/08/obama_to_india/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Varun Shekhar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/11/08/obama_to_india/comment-page-1/#comment-279954 Varun Shekhar Wed, 17 Nov 2010 19:26:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6366#comment-279954 <p>"The current situation with Obama backing India for a UN seat bears a striking resemblance with stereotype #1."</p> <p>That's a stupid statement to make, and reeks of the paternalism you allude to in your message. There are many Indians who want a UNSC seat because they feel India should have one, based on being the world's most populous democracy, one of the ten largest economies in purchasing power parity, the 2nd most populous country, and generally a force for good in the world. It is of course possible that a few, just a few, Americans see India in the UNSC as a kind of counterbalance to China. But then, even if that's true, there was never any advocacy of India by these Americans in the past 40-50 years. And Indians' reasons and motives are quite different from the few Americans who wish to reward or promote India.</p> “The current situation with Obama backing India for a UN seat bears a striking resemblance with stereotype #1.”

That’s a stupid statement to make, and reeks of the paternalism you allude to in your message. There are many Indians who want a UNSC seat because they feel India should have one, based on being the world’s most populous democracy, one of the ten largest economies in purchasing power parity, the 2nd most populous country, and generally a force for good in the world. It is of course possible that a few, just a few, Americans see India in the UNSC as a kind of counterbalance to China. But then, even if that’s true, there was never any advocacy of India by these Americans in the past 40-50 years. And Indians’ reasons and motives are quite different from the few Americans who wish to reward or promote India.

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By: dark lord http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/11/08/obama_to_india/comment-page-1/#comment-279949 dark lord Wed, 17 Nov 2010 11:32:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6366#comment-279949 <p>dude, what's more important- the reality of the colonialists creating gunga dins or kipling's 19th century literary tome. native americans don't go 'they killed off all our people, stole our land, destroyed our culture, christianized our children in seminaries disguised as secular schools, but hey you got to hand it to edgar allan poe.</p> dude, what’s more important- the reality of the colonialists creating gunga dins or kipling’s 19th century literary tome. native americans don’t go ‘they killed off all our people, stole our land, destroyed our culture, christianized our children in seminaries disguised as secular schools, but hey you got to hand it to edgar allan poe.

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/11/08/obama_to_india/comment-page-1/#comment-279880 jyotsana Thu, 11 Nov 2010 05:21:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6366#comment-279880 <blockquote>The "Gunga Din" stereotype. It portrays Indians as too weak and incompetent to accomplish anything on their own, but willing to suffer for a good cause</blockquote> <p>The Gunga Din stereotype is misimagined piece of fiction and has little to do with Kipling's unforgettable classic Gunga Din. A few dozen western film makers, Indian purple in the face "peoples' power" activists, and their followers elsewhere have understood nothing about Kipling's character. There's nothing in the poem that suggests a weak and incompetent person, instead it sketches a courageous character with great heart whom the civilizing colonialist fails to understand. The only time anyone understood the character is Sellers's Hrundi Bakshi - who incidentally has just been thrown off the sets of "Son of Gunga Din". I hope Spielberg who is said to planning a remake doesn't mangle the classic.</p> The “Gunga Din” stereotype. It portrays Indians as too weak and incompetent to accomplish anything on their own, but willing to suffer for a good cause

The Gunga Din stereotype is misimagined piece of fiction and has little to do with Kipling’s unforgettable classic Gunga Din. A few dozen western film makers, Indian purple in the face “peoples’ power” activists, and their followers elsewhere have understood nothing about Kipling’s character. There’s nothing in the poem that suggests a weak and incompetent person, instead it sketches a courageous character with great heart whom the civilizing colonialist fails to understand. The only time anyone understood the character is Sellers’s Hrundi Bakshi – who incidentally has just been thrown off the sets of “Son of Gunga Din”. I hope Spielberg who is said to planning a remake doesn’t mangle the classic.

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By: TTCUSM http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/11/08/obama_to_india/comment-page-1/#comment-279869 TTCUSM Thu, 11 Nov 2010 02:02:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6366#comment-279869 <blockquote>The history of Vietnam and Iraq and of Central America should tell us that India needs to be very careful here. All that sound about India's rise is a recent drumbeat since India in 2002 recognized Israel and showed overture of friendship to America. Before that, it was still all slums and honor killing. The point being, India needs to protect its own first instead of getting into a position where it has to take orders from the bigger guys in the yard. Whatever India might think of itself and however positively it is showered with praise, it is nowhere near the stature of a super power. When America comes calling for favors for treating India well, what's India going to do? Ask how high it needs to jump?</blockquote> <p>Recently, I came across an interesting post on the <a href="http://www.india-forum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/1136-geopolitics/page__view__findpost__p__94014">India Forum</a> that outlines three general stereotypes of Indians:</p> <p>1) The "Faithful Soldier of the Empire" stereotype. This goes back to the colonial period, when the Raj employed Indian soldiers for their campaigns in Asia and Africa. Typically, these soldiers would come from certain "Martial Races" and they would be rewarded by their colonial masters with all sorts of awards and titles.</p> <p>2) The "Gunga Din" stereotype. It portrays Indians as too weak and incompetent to accomplish anything on their own, but willing to suffer for a good cause. This also goes back to the colonial period, when the British would use crops grown in India to support their campaigns in Asia and Africa. One good example of this stereotype at work is the World War 2 Bengal Famine.</p> <p>3) The "Benighted Heathen" stereotype. It portrays Indians as an unwashed mass that represents the antithesis of the "Civilized West". This also goes back to the colonial period, and comes from decades of British propaganda about Suttee, Thuggee, and Untouchabilitee. For a good example of this stereotype at work, see Rudyard Kipling's <i>The White Man's Burden</i>.</p> <p>The current situation with Obama backing India for a UN seat bears a striking resemblance with stereotype #1.</p> The history of Vietnam and Iraq and of Central America should tell us that India needs to be very careful here. All that sound about India’s rise is a recent drumbeat since India in 2002 recognized Israel and showed overture of friendship to America. Before that, it was still all slums and honor killing. The point being, India needs to protect its own first instead of getting into a position where it has to take orders from the bigger guys in the yard. Whatever India might think of itself and however positively it is showered with praise, it is nowhere near the stature of a super power. When America comes calling for favors for treating India well, what’s India going to do? Ask how high it needs to jump?

Recently, I came across an interesting post on the India Forum that outlines three general stereotypes of Indians:

1) The “Faithful Soldier of the Empire” stereotype. This goes back to the colonial period, when the Raj employed Indian soldiers for their campaigns in Asia and Africa. Typically, these soldiers would come from certain “Martial Races” and they would be rewarded by their colonial masters with all sorts of awards and titles.

2) The “Gunga Din” stereotype. It portrays Indians as too weak and incompetent to accomplish anything on their own, but willing to suffer for a good cause. This also goes back to the colonial period, when the British would use crops grown in India to support their campaigns in Asia and Africa. One good example of this stereotype at work is the World War 2 Bengal Famine.

3) The “Benighted Heathen” stereotype. It portrays Indians as an unwashed mass that represents the antithesis of the “Civilized West”. This also goes back to the colonial period, and comes from decades of British propaganda about Suttee, Thuggee, and Untouchabilitee. For a good example of this stereotype at work, see Rudyard Kipling’s The White Man’s Burden.

The current situation with Obama backing India for a UN seat bears a striking resemblance with stereotype #1.

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/11/08/obama_to_india/comment-page-1/#comment-279866 jyotsana Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:47:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6366#comment-279866 <blockquote>Is Radha Krishna the kinder, gentler Prema?</blockquote> <p>Forget Prema, Passe, although I do have a Prema Pasam! But I am missing majnu Manju!</p> Is Radha Krishna the kinder, gentler Prema?

Forget Prema, Passe, although I do have a Prema Pasam! But I am missing majnu Manju!

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By: Alberuni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/11/08/obama_to_india/comment-page-1/#comment-279865 Alberuni Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:29:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6366#comment-279865 <p><b>Orville Douglas</b></p> <p>You forgot to mention the smelly spices...and also the odd sideways head nod.</p> <p>How can such a people be part of normal society? I mean lets forget about the security council, lets talk about the human council first...</p> Orville Douglas

You forgot to mention the smelly spices…and also the odd sideways head nod.

How can such a people be part of normal society? I mean lets forget about the security council, lets talk about the human council first…

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By: pream spotting http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/11/08/obama_to_india/comment-page-1/#comment-279864 pream spotting Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:12:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6366#comment-279864 <p>Is Radha Krishna the kinder, gentler Prema?</p> Is Radha Krishna the kinder, gentler Prema?

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By: Orville Douglas http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/11/08/obama_to_india/comment-page-1/#comment-279862 Orville Douglas Thu, 11 Nov 2010 00:40:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6366#comment-279862 <p>If India wants to advance and become a developed nation I don't think allowing India to become a part of the UN security council is the answer. There are serious social problems in India that I sincerely hope President Obama addresses such as the entrenched misogyny and violence that Indian women experience. The caste system needs to be eradicated it is a form of discrimination that is unjust and I believe against human rights. I doubt President Obama will go that far though. Education and proper health care should also be a concern of the Indian government. The Indian government should be investing in the young and helping them to have access to higher education.</p> If India wants to advance and become a developed nation I don’t think allowing India to become a part of the UN security council is the answer. There are serious social problems in India that I sincerely hope President Obama addresses such as the entrenched misogyny and violence that Indian women experience. The caste system needs to be eradicated it is a form of discrimination that is unjust and I believe against human rights. I doubt President Obama will go that far though. Education and proper health care should also be a concern of the Indian government. The Indian government should be investing in the young and helping them to have access to higher education.

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/11/08/obama_to_india/comment-page-1/#comment-279860 Yoga Fire Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:51:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6366#comment-279860 <blockquote>There is a reason why indians are the unhealthiest folks in the world,</blockquote> <p>Evidence or it didn't happen.</p> There is a reason why indians are the unhealthiest folks in the world,

Evidence or it didn’t happen.

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/11/08/obama_to_india/comment-page-1/#comment-279859 Yoga Fire Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:50:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6366#comment-279859 <p>Wudnerbar. The comment system eliminates all formatting on bulleted lists and turns them into words one after the other sans punctuation. . .</p> Wudnerbar. The comment system eliminates all formatting on bulleted lists and turns them into words one after the other sans punctuation. . .

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