Still don’t think the word “tool” should be bandied about at people. What do the mods think? You also haven’t answered my question about what your sentence meant?

The mostly South Asian origins of Indian Muslims.

Of course Triceratops isn’t real. None of the dinosaurs are. Jesus put the bones in the ground with artificially aged Carbon-14 to test our faith.

it’s less prestigious ancestry. unless you can claim to be high caste in origin, like the khoja. that’s how it’s perceived. i can see why people would do it in brownland, but i don’t get these fixations being transposed to the USA. no one cares about that shiz here….

That’s interesting. I played in a tournament in Belfast last year, and the subject of the Black Irish can get quite heated…locals I spoke to seemed to believe in the north african/moor/spanish intermarrying theory quite adamantly…and i wasn’t going to contradict them with money on the table .

also, in my exp. when you have individuals/people who have atypical features or coloring there is often a legend or explanation which gets concocted out of whole cloth, especially if it is vaguely plausible. blonde sicilians attribute their blondeness to norman ancestry. dark scotch may claim gypsy. a russian with high cheekbones may claim that his ancestors were raped by mongols (this is a real example btw, i’m not just warped the same thing with indians. kashmiris have repeatedly claimed to me that they’re ancestors are originally from iran. etc. some of this rooted in reality, but a lot of it isn’t, insofar as populations exhibit natural variation (russians do seem to have about 5% non-european admixture from mongolian peoples for example; the irish are no more iberian or north african than the british).

No way, they’re the same?! Hah, the kid I babysit will be so pleased, he had an argument with me over this the other week. Nice to know that on top of bombing my biochem midterm yesterday, a kindergarten kid knows more about science than I do also couldn’t bring myself to tell him triceratops isn’t real, it’s his favorite. :/

same impulse which drives dark-skinned south asian muslims to claim arab, turk, or persian, ancestry.

well what’s wrong with being a boring ole desi?

locals I spoke to seemed to believe in the north african/moor/spanish intermarrying theory quite adamantly…and i wasn’t going to contradict them with money on the table .

there is a difference between cultural and genetic impacts. the genes are clear. but the irish celtic language does have particular similarities to the celtiberian dialects of northern spain (the extinct dialects). and there were obviously cultural connections between the two regions, in particular southern ireland and the northern atlantic fringe of spain. and i already alluded to the possible cultural connections between ireland and north africa, unlikely as it may seem (part of the issue seems to be that in the early dark ages ireland was relatively tranquil and wealthy, so elite refugees from the collapsing societies of the west roman empire found it a congenial destination). there is also some secondary genetic signatures which tie together the european “atlantic fringe” nations. but by and large the irish are closest to the british, and there isn’t a “black irish” outgroup that jumps out of the data.

Well. . .I’m much more likely to pick a fight with a someone smaller than me.

Just saying.