Comments on: Converse throws out its new shoes http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/09/23/converse_throws/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Paul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/09/23/converse_throws/comment-page-1/#comment-278510 Paul Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:24:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6320#comment-278510 <blockquote> Which, I guess is essentially the story of Evangelical Christianity in America. </blockquote> <p>It's funny cuz it's true!</p> Which, I guess is essentially the story of Evangelical Christianity in America.

It’s funny cuz it’s true!

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By: AR http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/09/23/converse_throws/comment-page-1/#comment-278499 AR Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:01:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6320#comment-278499 <p>I want.</p> I want.

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By: PiyushP http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/09/23/converse_throws/comment-page-1/#comment-278466 PiyushP Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:49:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6320#comment-278466 <p>interesting bit of information regarding the album cover from Wikipedia</p> <p>Hendrix was a little disappointed with the album's cover art. Although he appreciated the symbolic design, he mentioned in an interview that it would have been more appropriate if the cover art showcased his American "Indian" heritage. The British Track records art department had independently chosen to use the current fad for all things Indian to create the cover, and thus the album's cover has a photographed copy of a mass produced religious poster of the Hindu devotional painting known as Viraat Purushan-Vishnuroopam[citation needed] with a small, superimposed painting of the group by Roger Law. (from a photo portrait by Karl Ferris) blended in</p> interesting bit of information regarding the album cover from Wikipedia

Hendrix was a little disappointed with the album’s cover art. Although he appreciated the symbolic design, he mentioned in an interview that it would have been more appropriate if the cover art showcased his American “Indian” heritage. The British Track records art department had independently chosen to use the current fad for all things Indian to create the cover, and thus the album’s cover has a photographed copy of a mass produced religious poster of the Hindu devotional painting known as Viraat Purushan-Vishnuroopam[citation needed] with a small, superimposed painting of the group by Roger Law. (from a photo portrait by Karl Ferris) blended in

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/09/23/converse_throws/comment-page-1/#comment-278465 Yoga Fire Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:35:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6320#comment-278465 <blockquote>in contrast business persons who who are christian capitalists will say stuff like "my product is glorifying the lord!"</blockquote> <p>I'm not even Christian and I know that you can't glorify the Lord through service to Mammon. This is, at best, a post hoc rationalization and at worst a cynical ploy to disarm people's guilt at succumbing to their baser consumerist instincts.</p> <p>Which, I guess is essentially the story of Evangelical Christianity in America.</p> in contrast business persons who who are christian capitalists will say stuff like “my product is glorifying the lord!”

I’m not even Christian and I know that you can’t glorify the Lord through service to Mammon. This is, at best, a post hoc rationalization and at worst a cynical ploy to disarm people’s guilt at succumbing to their baser consumerist instincts.

Which, I guess is essentially the story of Evangelical Christianity in America.

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By: razib khan - atheist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/09/23/converse_throws/comment-page-1/#comment-278464 razib khan - atheist Thu, 23 Sep 2010 23:12:55 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6320#comment-278464 <p>stuff like this is kind of complicated. on the margins we can agree pretty easily (e.g., "piss christ"), but you have several dynamics</p> <p>1) what may be offense to people in religion X may not be offensive to those not in religion X</p> <p>2) what may be offensive to a subset of people i religion X may not be offensive to another subset of people in religion X</p> <p>3) something that may be offensive to people in religion X may be demanded by the beliefs of people in religion Y, or compare two subsets of religion X who conflict on what is, and isn't, offensive</p> <p>in the last category i know plenty of christians, liberal and conserv., who are disgusted by "christian-themed" marketing. in contrast business persons who who are christian capitalists will say stuff like "my product is glorifying the lord!" as an unbeliever it can sometimes leave you confused.</p> stuff like this is kind of complicated. on the margins we can agree pretty easily (e.g., “piss christ”), but you have several dynamics

1) what may be offense to people in religion X may not be offensive to those not in religion X

2) what may be offensive to a subset of people i religion X may not be offensive to another subset of people in religion X

3) something that may be offensive to people in religion X may be demanded by the beliefs of people in religion Y, or compare two subsets of religion X who conflict on what is, and isn’t, offensive

in the last category i know plenty of christians, liberal and conserv., who are disgusted by “christian-themed” marketing. in contrast business persons who who are christian capitalists will say stuff like “my product is glorifying the lord!” as an unbeliever it can sometimes leave you confused.

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By: Uma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/09/23/converse_throws/comment-page-1/#comment-278463 Uma Thu, 23 Sep 2010 22:27:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6320#comment-278463 <p>I'm glad these have been pulled. I do find it offensive, I think as a group Hindus have been way too relaxed about having sacred ties to our religion and being turned into 'new age', cutesy fads.</p> I’m glad these have been pulled. I do find it offensive, I think as a group Hindus have been way too relaxed about having sacred ties to our religion and being turned into ‘new age’, cutesy fads.

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By: rohit http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/09/23/converse_throws/comment-page-1/#comment-278460 rohit Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:39:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6320#comment-278460 <p>"MB" props for the info!</p> “MB” props for the info!

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By: KXB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/09/23/converse_throws/comment-page-1/#comment-278459 KXB Thu, 23 Sep 2010 20:28:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6320#comment-278459 <p>"And! Lots of love to KXB for all the news postin'. KXB rocks!"</p> <p>That's just how I roll.</p> “And! Lots of love to KXB for all the news postin’. KXB rocks!”

That’s just how I roll.

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By: bess http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/09/23/converse_throws/comment-page-1/#comment-278456 bess Thu, 23 Sep 2010 18:15:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6320#comment-278456 <p>Have you heard of a 1987 artwork called "Piss Christ" by photographer Andres Serrano? It's still controversial these many years later.</p> <p>Speaking of artwork, I'm loving the banner art that's been added to the rotation. And! Lots of love to KXB for all the news postin'. KXB rocks!</p> <p>As for the Jimi-god chucks, the value on the ones that did sell, just went up.</p> Have you heard of a 1987 artwork called “Piss Christ” by photographer Andres Serrano? It’s still controversial these many years later.

Speaking of artwork, I’m loving the banner art that’s been added to the rotation. And! Lots of love to KXB for all the news postin’. KXB rocks!

As for the Jimi-god chucks, the value on the ones that did sell, just went up.

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By: Suraj http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/09/23/converse_throws/comment-page-1/#comment-278452 Suraj Thu, 23 Sep 2010 17:04:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6320#comment-278452 <p>"i guess the litmus test is to swap jesus christ into the situation and see if you're offended. i could care less personally, but xtians would i think be pretty offended. the main issue is that hinduism is exotic enough that they have a 'mythology', not a 'religion.' you can co-opt myths into branding pretty easily without consideration of sensitivity cuz everyone agrees it's made up. not so with religion"</p> <p>I think this is spot on.</p> <p>"This stuff (taking artistic license with religious iconography) doesn’t insult me in the least as long as the intent behind it isn’t explicitly malicious or to stir up trouble."</p> <p>I think the disrespect/or lack thereof is sort of inherent in the design. It may not be malicious per se, but a design like this does imply that these kinds of images/deities are enough of a cheap kitsch that it can go on sneakers, toilets, or whatever else.</p> <p>Its not the kind of thing I'd go out and protest (mainly because I think it is extremely important to keep expression and speech as free as possible), and I think the Rajan Zed types are one too many in this world.</p> <p>However,I'd also be lying if I said that I <i>wouldn't</i> think that a person who thinks this design is great has a very low opinion of what my beliefs are and images that I consider sacred.</p> <p>But again, if that's someone's opinion, then what can I do? To each his own.</p> “i guess the litmus test is to swap jesus christ into the situation and see if you’re offended. i could care less personally, but xtians would i think be pretty offended. the main issue is that hinduism is exotic enough that they have a ‘mythology’, not a ‘religion.’ you can co-opt myths into branding pretty easily without consideration of sensitivity cuz everyone agrees it’s made up. not so with religion”

I think this is spot on.

“This stuff (taking artistic license with religious iconography) doesn’t insult me in the least as long as the intent behind it isn’t explicitly malicious or to stir up trouble.”

I think the disrespect/or lack thereof is sort of inherent in the design. It may not be malicious per se, but a design like this does imply that these kinds of images/deities are enough of a cheap kitsch that it can go on sneakers, toilets, or whatever else.

Its not the kind of thing I’d go out and protest (mainly because I think it is extremely important to keep expression and speech as free as possible), and I think the Rajan Zed types are one too many in this world.

However,I’d also be lying if I said that I wouldn’t think that a person who thinks this design is great has a very low opinion of what my beliefs are and images that I consider sacred.

But again, if that’s someone’s opinion, then what can I do? To each his own.

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