Comments on: Talking About Terror http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/08/27/talking_about_t/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Lupus Solitarius http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/08/27/talking_about_t/comment-page-1/#comment-278107 Lupus Solitarius Thu, 02 Sep 2010 19:51:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6307#comment-278107 <p>Dear Rahul, All the factors that you've mentioned above may show a correlation with discussions about Pakistan, but many are confounding variables. In my opinion,out of all blog post topics, the issue of terror (like in this one) has the highest coefficient of determination wrt Pakistan. Afterall, you cannot discuss Kung Fu without discussiong China- It is their martial art.</p> Dear Rahul, All the factors that you’ve mentioned above may show a correlation with discussions about Pakistan, but many are confounding variables. In my opinion,out of all blog post topics, the issue of terror (like in this one) has the highest coefficient of determination wrt Pakistan. Afterall, you cannot discuss Kung Fu without discussiong China- It is their martial art.

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By: Rahul Rvd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/08/27/talking_about_t/comment-page-1/#comment-278105 Rahul Rvd Thu, 02 Sep 2010 12:53:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6307#comment-278105 <p>After all this time and so many references, it is high-samay to devise a SM-specific Godwin.</p> <p>As an SM discussion grows longer, the probability of any discussion turning into one about Pakistan or Islam approaches 1. The rate at which this may happen can be affected by: 1. The Blogger's ancestry or religious affiliation 2. The appearance of any South Asian-ness - Most often associated with a perceived lack of pride in their "Indian-ness" 3. Appearance of the name "Modi" or "Godhra" - Nostalgic expressions like "Ramjanmabhoomi", "Babri Masjid" or "Ayodhya" are like an adrenaline shot to Mrs. Mia Wallace's heart 4. Bengali names. All Bongs are Marxist. 5. (Only to popularize a sexy new term I've recently encountered , and 5 being a nice number) Westphobia. [ref: http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/006308.html#comment-277997]</p> <p>=======</p> <p>OP: Nice post!</p> After all this time and so many references, it is high-samay to devise a SM-specific Godwin.

As an SM discussion grows longer, the probability of any discussion turning into one about Pakistan or Islam approaches 1. The rate at which this may happen can be affected by: 1. The Blogger’s ancestry or religious affiliation 2. The appearance of any South Asian-ness – Most often associated with a perceived lack of pride in their “Indian-ness” 3. Appearance of the name “Modi” or “Godhra” – Nostalgic expressions like “Ramjanmabhoomi”, “Babri Masjid” or “Ayodhya” are like an adrenaline shot to Mrs. Mia Wallace’s heart 4. Bengali names. All Bongs are Marxist. 5. (Only to popularize a sexy new term I’ve recently encountered , and 5 being a nice number) Westphobia. [ref: http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/006308.html#comment-277997

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OP: Nice post!

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By: Phobophobia http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/08/27/talking_about_t/comment-page-1/#comment-277979 Phobophobia Tue, 31 Aug 2010 05:15:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6307#comment-277979 <p>Yeah, some Methodists were arrested on a Chicago flight rehearsing a terror attack this week...</p> Yeah, some Methodists were arrested on a Chicago flight rehearsing a terror attack this week…

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By: Sandip http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/08/27/talking_about_t/comment-page-1/#comment-277978 Sandip Tue, 31 Aug 2010 04:00:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6307#comment-277978 <p>Joe Jake, Islamophobia. There is not way that the terrorists could be Muslims. Fear the Methodists among you!</p> Joe Jake, Islamophobia. There is not way that the terrorists could be Muslims. Fear the Methodists among you!

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By: Joe Jake http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/08/27/talking_about_t/comment-page-1/#comment-277971 Joe Jake Mon, 30 Aug 2010 18:12:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6307#comment-277971 <p>Why are the quoted names of the alleged terrorists all Muslim?</p> Why are the quoted names of the alleged terrorists all Muslim?

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By: Tutu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/08/27/talking_about_t/comment-page-1/#comment-277967 Tutu Mon, 30 Aug 2010 15:29:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6307#comment-277967 <p>"But like his lawyer I’m very convinced that his client would not have made a good arms smuggler. No real terrorist would have come to him. There is little chance that he would have acquired a missile unless the FBI had arranged for one to be given to him."</p> <p>Couldn't this be said about the Time Square Bomber as well? Most people that sign up for this is people that are either stupid, irrational or desperate, most likely all of the three. In the end in his search for a terror organization willing to take him, I would assume some one would have been willing to give him a job. The Stinger missile was FBI's idea, but it could have been any idea, a car a Time Square perhaps.</p> “But like his lawyer I’m very convinced that his client would not have made a good arms smuggler. No real terrorist would have come to him. There is little chance that he would have acquired a missile unless the FBI had arranged for one to be given to him.”

Couldn’t this be said about the Time Square Bomber as well? Most people that sign up for this is people that are either stupid, irrational or desperate, most likely all of the three. In the end in his search for a terror organization willing to take him, I would assume some one would have been willing to give him a job. The Stinger missile was FBI’s idea, but it could have been any idea, a car a Time Square perhaps.

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/08/27/talking_about_t/comment-page-1/#comment-277961 Sameer Mon, 30 Aug 2010 03:06:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6307#comment-277961 <p>"Actually, in my opinion, Mr Lakhani is neither very moral nor very smart. But like his lawyer I’m very convinced that his client would not have made a good arms smuggler. No real terrorist would have come to him. There is little chance that he would have acquired a missile unless the FBI had arranged for one to be given to him. "</p> <p>I don't think we should be making excuses for people who are engaged in criminal activities. This is from taped recording of Lakhani with a person that he wanted to sell missiles.He is immoral and perhaps not very smart but that did not stop him from wanting to sell missiles to terrorists. And that no real terrorist would come to him, well that did not stop HIM from trying to contact people to whom he could sell weapons:</p> <p>".....During questioning by Mr. Rabner, Mr. Rehman said he did not know Mr. Lakhani and had never heard of him before Mr. Lakhani called him in October 2001. Mr. Rehman testified that Mr. Lakhani told him that he had been given his name by a man in India named Abdul Qayyum. Mr. Rabner said authorities believe Mr. Qayyum is a terrorist.</p> <p>Mr. Rehman said Mr. Lakhani told him he had businesses in rice, textiles, oil and weapons and mentioned that he could get weapons from the Ukraine. He said he immediately called the F.B.I. about Mr. Lakhani's offer.</p> <p>He also testified that the F.B.I. started taping their phone calls and meetings in December 2001.</p> <p>The two men spoke in Hindi and in Urdu during some 200 calls and meetings between December 2001 and August 2003. The recordings have been translated by the F.B.I. with Mr. Rehman's help.</p> <p>Weapons were mentioned several times during the January 2002 meeting in the Newark hotel.</p> <p>"Do you have something latest? Latest missiles," Mr. Rehman asked Mr. Lakhani. "Something sinister, just like Stinger. With an effective range of at least 15,000 feet."</p> <p>Mr. Lakhani answered, "Yes."</p> <p>The Stinger is an American-made shoulder-fired missile.</p> <p>Later in the meeting, Mr. Rehman said the Somali terrorist group needed 20 to 50 missiles and 200 to 300 antiaircraft guns. "Okay," Mr. Lakhani answered. "You will get whatever quantity you ask." http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/09/nyregion/09missile.html?_r=1&ref=hemant_lakhani</p> “Actually, in my opinion, Mr Lakhani is neither very moral nor very smart. But like his lawyer I’m very convinced that his client would not have made a good arms smuggler. No real terrorist would have come to him. There is little chance that he would have acquired a missile unless the FBI had arranged for one to be given to him. “

I don’t think we should be making excuses for people who are engaged in criminal activities. This is from taped recording of Lakhani with a person that he wanted to sell missiles.He is immoral and perhaps not very smart but that did not stop him from wanting to sell missiles to terrorists. And that no real terrorist would come to him, well that did not stop HIM from trying to contact people to whom he could sell weapons:

“…..During questioning by Mr. Rabner, Mr. Rehman said he did not know Mr. Lakhani and had never heard of him before Mr. Lakhani called him in October 2001. Mr. Rehman testified that Mr. Lakhani told him that he had been given his name by a man in India named Abdul Qayyum. Mr. Rabner said authorities believe Mr. Qayyum is a terrorist.

Mr. Rehman said Mr. Lakhani told him he had businesses in rice, textiles, oil and weapons and mentioned that he could get weapons from the Ukraine. He said he immediately called the F.B.I. about Mr. Lakhani’s offer.

He also testified that the F.B.I. started taping their phone calls and meetings in December 2001.

The two men spoke in Hindi and in Urdu during some 200 calls and meetings between December 2001 and August 2003. The recordings have been translated by the F.B.I. with Mr. Rehman’s help.

Weapons were mentioned several times during the January 2002 meeting in the Newark hotel.

“Do you have something latest? Latest missiles,” Mr. Rehman asked Mr. Lakhani. “Something sinister, just like Stinger. With an effective range of at least 15,000 feet.”

Mr. Lakhani answered, “Yes.”

The Stinger is an American-made shoulder-fired missile.

Later in the meeting, Mr. Rehman said the Somali terrorist group needed 20 to 50 missiles and 200 to 300 antiaircraft guns. “Okay,” Mr. Lakhani answered. “You will get whatever quantity you ask.” http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/09/nyregion/09missile.html?_r=1&ref=hemant_lakhani

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By: Ananoon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/08/27/talking_about_t/comment-page-1/#comment-277956 Ananoon Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:46:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6307#comment-277956 <p>From the same NDTV link..... Many of these wanted people are involved in acts of terrorism or serious crimes like rape of a minor.</p> <p>One of the Interpol notices names Haji Ibrahim Salim for alleged involvement in a terrorist act, Shaikh Anwar for allegedly waging war against a country,</p> <p>Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/over-650-indians-on-interpol-s-wanted-list-47933?cp</p> From the same NDTV link….. Many of these wanted people are involved in acts of terrorism or serious crimes like rape of a minor.

One of the Interpol notices names Haji Ibrahim Salim for alleged involvement in a terrorist act, Shaikh Anwar for allegedly waging war against a country,

Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/over-650-indians-on-interpol-s-wanted-list-47933?cp

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By: Lupus Solitarius http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/08/27/talking_about_t/comment-page-1/#comment-277955 Lupus Solitarius Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:08:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6307#comment-277955 <p>From the NDTV link that you kindly provided,</p> <p>"The offences include money laundering, tax evasion, sexual harassment, disrupting railway traffic, mail fraud and demanding dowry. At least 25 per cent of the offences relate to over speeding and road accidents."</p> <p>Now if you patiently scroll up, right to the top, you will see that the title of this blog post is "Talking about terror".</p> <p>What was your point, again?</p> From the NDTV link that you kindly provided,

“The offences include money laundering, tax evasion, sexual harassment, disrupting railway traffic, mail fraud and demanding dowry. At least 25 per cent of the offences relate to over speeding and road accidents.”

Now if you patiently scroll up, right to the top, you will see that the title of this blog post is “Talking about terror”.

What was your point, again?

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By: Ananoon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/08/27/talking_about_t/comment-page-1/#comment-277954 Ananoon Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:01:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6307#comment-277954 <p>Whats up with all those Indians ? Over 650 Indians on Interpol's 'wanted' list <a href="http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/over-650-indians-on-interpol-s-wanted-list-47933">http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/over-650-indians-on-interpol-s-wanted-list-47933</a></p> <p><a href="http://perverted-justice.com/?pg=wanted">http://perverted-justice.com/?pg=wanted</a></p> Whats up with all those Indians ? Over 650 Indians on Interpol’s ‘wanted’ list http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/over-650-indians-on-interpol-s-wanted-list-47933

http://perverted-justice.com/?pg=wanted

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