Comments on: Not All Indian Émigrés Are Engineers http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/29/not_all_indian/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Wanderer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/29/not_all_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-276841 Wanderer Tue, 03 Aug 2010 00:43:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6276#comment-276841 <p>I agree with UK Desi...It does seem that US Desis are very different, sometimes naive, compared to their European counterparts...</p> I agree with UK Desi…It does seem that US Desis are very different, sometimes naive, compared to their European counterparts…

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By: UK desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/29/not_all_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-276774 UK desi Sat, 31 Jul 2010 12:34:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6276#comment-276774 <p>I'm surprised that people are surprised by this. You American desis don't get around much. The UK has had in the past strong punjabi/ desi gangs who arose as a protection for the community when the National Front (basically a white supremacist party) used to rampage through the areas where desis lived destroying their property and beating them up. The gangs initially arose as protection for the community and they successfully beat off the hooligans on many an occasion. Unfortunately, as often happens, these gangs then got involved in crime and became a somewhat significant force in the underworld. Not very proud of that but it happened. Thus desis living in the UK have had plenty of exposure to this type of thing.</p> <p>Having said all that, the vast majority of indians in the UK are model citizens and have only brought good things to the UK. The key thing is that the mentality of desis is usually to progress and move forward so they tend to do that and not get stuck in negative modes of behaviour. Even people who have been in jail (of which indians is the smallest minority in the UK, I believe) want to come out, put it all behind them and get on in the world in a legitimate manner. That is why desis tend to succeed pretty much anywhere they are.</p> I’m surprised that people are surprised by this. You American desis don’t get around much. The UK has had in the past strong punjabi/ desi gangs who arose as a protection for the community when the National Front (basically a white supremacist party) used to rampage through the areas where desis lived destroying their property and beating them up. The gangs initially arose as protection for the community and they successfully beat off the hooligans on many an occasion. Unfortunately, as often happens, these gangs then got involved in crime and became a somewhat significant force in the underworld. Not very proud of that but it happened. Thus desis living in the UK have had plenty of exposure to this type of thing.

Having said all that, the vast majority of indians in the UK are model citizens and have only brought good things to the UK. The key thing is that the mentality of desis is usually to progress and move forward so they tend to do that and not get stuck in negative modes of behaviour. Even people who have been in jail (of which indians is the smallest minority in the UK, I believe) want to come out, put it all behind them and get on in the world in a legitimate manner. That is why desis tend to succeed pretty much anywhere they are.

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By: Anand http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/29/not_all_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-276766 Anand Sat, 31 Jul 2010 02:55:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6276#comment-276766 <p>Very well done. Amitava.</p> Very well done. Amitava.

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By: Amitava http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/29/not_all_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-276765 Amitava Sat, 31 Jul 2010 02:37:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6276#comment-276765 <p>I just wanted to quickly answer a couple of questions: Nandalal,I'm not against the use of the imagination. Writers enter into the conditions of other people's lives and hearts all the time. My point was to highlight Aryian's difference from the writers we are most used to recognizing and celebrating in the Indian diaspora. Umaa, yes, I am an academic and consider myself a part of the mostly insulated world, until I venture out in search of stories. Which, incidentally, is a great benefit of writing non-fiction about fiction. Anyway, thanks all, again, for reading. P.S. For those really interested in going desi yay!yay!, <a href="http://bit.ly/cKXwk3">this</a> might be interesting.</p> I just wanted to quickly answer a couple of questions: Nandalal,I’m not against the use of the imagination. Writers enter into the conditions of other people’s lives and hearts all the time. My point was to highlight Aryian’s difference from the writers we are most used to recognizing and celebrating in the Indian diaspora. Umaa, yes, I am an academic and consider myself a part of the mostly insulated world, until I venture out in search of stories. Which, incidentally, is a great benefit of writing non-fiction about fiction. Anyway, thanks all, again, for reading. P.S. For those really interested in going desi yay!yay!, this might be interesting.

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By: Beh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/29/not_all_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-276758 Beh Fri, 30 Jul 2010 23:31:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6276#comment-276758 <p>so you went to the man's house, ate his butter chicken took ideas for your next novel and jetted? man that's cold.</p> so you went to the man’s house, ate his butter chicken took ideas for your next novel and jetted? man that’s cold.

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By: Moni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/29/not_all_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-276756 Moni Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:02:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6276#comment-276756 <p>Sharmila proved the authors point better than anyone else could. Thanks!</p> Sharmila proved the authors point better than anyone else could. Thanks!

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By: Keshav http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/29/not_all_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-276755 Keshav Fri, 30 Jul 2010 21:01:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6276#comment-276755 <p>Very absorbing. Usually, I just skim through blog posts but this one was really interesting.</p> Very absorbing. Usually, I just skim through blog posts but this one was really interesting.

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By: Darth Paul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/29/not_all_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-276748 Darth Paul Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:21:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6276#comment-276748 <blockquote>You don't want "Aryian" fixed? WTF not??? Aren't there a lot of people who have much nicer lives?? Stop celebrating crap and let's get our people more like the good ones with nice lives, please.</blockquote> <p>You have some serious elitist arsehole on your face. How can you, specifically, speak for what's "nice" for anyone, much less that anyone would aspire to your definition?</p> <p>Maybe YOU didn't grow up with a psychotic, abusive mother who hated your father and herself, and if that's case, you have no perspective on the matter aside from a convenient, condescending ivory tower one. As far as I can tell, Aryian IS fixed! He overcame seriously sh!tty circumstances, reached out to his family (father) for the better, and is now an author gaining worldwide notice. Do you feel some sort of psychological discomfort/self-loathing because he doesn't conform to your notions of what a sikh should be? If so, <b>you're</b> the one in need of getting "nicer".</p> You don’t want “Aryian” fixed? WTF not??? Aren’t there a lot of people who have much nicer lives?? Stop celebrating crap and let’s get our people more like the good ones with nice lives, please.

You have some serious elitist arsehole on your face. How can you, specifically, speak for what’s “nice” for anyone, much less that anyone would aspire to your definition?

Maybe YOU didn’t grow up with a psychotic, abusive mother who hated your father and herself, and if that’s case, you have no perspective on the matter aside from a convenient, condescending ivory tower one. As far as I can tell, Aryian IS fixed! He overcame seriously sh!tty circumstances, reached out to his family (father) for the better, and is now an author gaining worldwide notice. Do you feel some sort of psychological discomfort/self-loathing because he doesn’t conform to your notions of what a sikh should be? If so, you’re the one in need of getting “nicer”.

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By: umaa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/29/not_all_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-276743 umaa Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:43:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6276#comment-276743 <p>"For years, we have read Indian writers who ventriloquise the voices of the underclass; in the diaspora, especially in America where I live, you won’t find a single desi writer who doesn’t have a university degree. It is a small, insulated world where everyone breathes the closed suffocating air of privilege."</p> <p>You yourself are an academic, no? Do you consider yourself part of this insulated world? When I first read the piece, I wondered why you digressed for a full paragraph to discuss the character from your own novel. But in the context of the quote above, perhaps meeting your character's embodiment is some sort of validation?</p> <p>I enjoyed this piece very much. Thank you.</p> “For years, we have read Indian writers who ventriloquise the voices of the underclass; in the diaspora, especially in America where I live, you won’t find a single desi writer who doesn’t have a university degree. It is a small, insulated world where everyone breathes the closed suffocating air of privilege.”

You yourself are an academic, no? Do you consider yourself part of this insulated world? When I first read the piece, I wondered why you digressed for a full paragraph to discuss the character from your own novel. But in the context of the quote above, perhaps meeting your character’s embodiment is some sort of validation?

I enjoyed this piece very much. Thank you.

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By: lifelong http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/29/not_all_indian/comment-page-1/#comment-276739 lifelong Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:08:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6276#comment-276739 <p>Like.!</p> Like.!

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