Comments on: An outrage for an outrage makes the whole world go deaf http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/01/an_outrage_for/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/01/an_outrage_for/comment-page-2/#comment-275362 Abhi Sat, 03 Jul 2010 16:12:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6241#comment-275362 <p>Ok, I believe everyone has now had a chance to vent steam on all sides of this issue. I am going to enjoy the rest of my weekend here in New Jersey where it all started. Happy 4th all.</p> Ok, I believe everyone has now had a chance to vent steam on all sides of this issue. I am going to enjoy the rest of my weekend here in New Jersey where it all started. Happy 4th all.

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By: Bhayank Indian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/01/an_outrage_for/comment-page-2/#comment-275355 Bhayank Indian Sat, 03 Jul 2010 12:26:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6241#comment-275355 <p>My personal view is that this site has become more of a rant and rave site for some bloggers who clatter away every time some supposed racist comment is made by non South Asians. I remember the days when this site was about good stuff, like you know, introducing the likes of M.I.A and Goldspot to us before the world had even heard of 'em!! About achievements made by our people all over the world, good stuff, positive stuff!! And the times when the SM Interns job was just to maintain this site and not be a BlogNazi!!</p> <p>But i guess it is true that with age people get bitter, the same may have happened to this site and maybe some of the bloggers. Nowadays it seems like some bloggers look at themselves as the protectors of South Asians and our values (as if we are too dumb to realize shit ourselves) . They look at everything through a microscopic lens and perceive everything as a slight to their identity. Maybe looking for South Asian angels to every small story for such a long period of time gives some bloggers a blogging boner when they see a South Asian specific story in the main stream media and they just can't hold it in!</p> <p>You guys need to chill out (some more than others). Find some interesting stories, get some positive shit back into this blog and basically stop being whiny bitches.</p> <p>Aand, trust me on this one Mr. Blogger there is nothing more pissing off and amusing at the same time than a holier than thou blogger. Your very first comment on this thread makes my point. You say a commentator is a bully?? Check your own rap sheet man. How many comments do you normally post in one single thread??? If you can't take it then you shouldn't be here. Get off your horsy, you're just another guy in front of a computer.</p> <p>IMHO</p> My personal view is that this site has become more of a rant and rave site for some bloggers who clatter away every time some supposed racist comment is made by non South Asians. I remember the days when this site was about good stuff, like you know, introducing the likes of M.I.A and Goldspot to us before the world had even heard of ‘em!! About achievements made by our people all over the world, good stuff, positive stuff!! And the times when the SM Interns job was just to maintain this site and not be a BlogNazi!!

But i guess it is true that with age people get bitter, the same may have happened to this site and maybe some of the bloggers. Nowadays it seems like some bloggers look at themselves as the protectors of South Asians and our values (as if we are too dumb to realize shit ourselves) . They look at everything through a microscopic lens and perceive everything as a slight to their identity. Maybe looking for South Asian angels to every small story for such a long period of time gives some bloggers a blogging boner when they see a South Asian specific story in the main stream media and they just can’t hold it in!

You guys need to chill out (some more than others). Find some interesting stories, get some positive shit back into this blog and basically stop being whiny bitches.

Aand, trust me on this one Mr. Blogger there is nothing more pissing off and amusing at the same time than a holier than thou blogger. Your very first comment on this thread makes my point. You say a commentator is a bully?? Check your own rap sheet man. How many comments do you normally post in one single thread??? If you can’t take it then you shouldn’t be here. Get off your horsy, you’re just another guy in front of a computer.

IMHO

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By: Jhilmil http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/01/an_outrage_for/comment-page-2/#comment-275341 Jhilmil Sat, 03 Jul 2010 04:37:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6241#comment-275341 <p>The reason no one wants to blog about the killing of Mr Sinha is because it'll sooner or later bring attention to the race of the attackers, which like in countless such violent attacks on South Asians, is black. This complicates things, right? Now if these killers were white you'd have felt an explosion of outrage. In fact, when I heard of this incident, I immediately knew it was the work of some black youth. You can call me whatever names you wish but I've lost count of instances of black-on-South Asian violence, most of which ends deadly, be the victim a graduate student, a convenience store worker, or some turban-wearing grandfather going for a walk in the park with his grandchild. Why do blacks hate us so much? Why don't the smart, liberal South Asians recognize this as a pervasive problem in parts of black community and talk to their leaders about educating their people on being sensitive? It's funny these liberal South Asians can't stop ridiculing people in the old country for being biased toward blacks but never ask why a lot of them are that way. I'll tell you why, because the news of such savage beatings reaches the victims' loved ones back home. I have had it with black violence directed at my people. Really had it. And please don't lecture me that such thugs come in all colors. If they do it's quite rare. Sure there's other forms of racism directed but I am talking about the violent ones here. When was the last time you heard of an Asian or a Middle Eastern or a Hispanic or even a white person beat a South Asian to death? And it's idiotic to declare, even for the authorities, that this wasn't a hate crime. This man was picked for his race.</p> The reason no one wants to blog about the killing of Mr Sinha is because it’ll sooner or later bring attention to the race of the attackers, which like in countless such violent attacks on South Asians, is black. This complicates things, right? Now if these killers were white you’d have felt an explosion of outrage. In fact, when I heard of this incident, I immediately knew it was the work of some black youth. You can call me whatever names you wish but I’ve lost count of instances of black-on-South Asian violence, most of which ends deadly, be the victim a graduate student, a convenience store worker, or some turban-wearing grandfather going for a walk in the park with his grandchild. Why do blacks hate us so much? Why don’t the smart, liberal South Asians recognize this as a pervasive problem in parts of black community and talk to their leaders about educating their people on being sensitive? It’s funny these liberal South Asians can’t stop ridiculing people in the old country for being biased toward blacks but never ask why a lot of them are that way. I’ll tell you why, because the news of such savage beatings reaches the victims’ loved ones back home. I have had it with black violence directed at my people. Really had it. And please don’t lecture me that such thugs come in all colors. If they do it’s quite rare. Sure there’s other forms of racism directed but I am talking about the violent ones here. When was the last time you heard of an Asian or a Middle Eastern or a Hispanic or even a white person beat a South Asian to death? And it’s idiotic to declare, even for the authorities, that this wasn’t a hate crime. This man was picked for his race.

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By: Saheli http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/01/an_outrage_for/comment-page-2/#comment-275332 Saheli Sat, 03 Jul 2010 02:04:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6241#comment-275332 <p>Brown girl, I think it may be presumptuous to assume that no South Asians in the Township of Old Bridge are not trying to "particiapte, volunteer, get to know the community [they] live in." According to the <a href="http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/ACSSAFFFacts?_event=&geo_id=06000US3402354705&_geoContext=01000US|04000US34|05000US34023|06000US3402354705&_street=&_county=old+bridge,+nj&_cityTown=old+bridge,+nj&_state=&_zip=&_lang=en&_sse=on&ActiveGeoDiv=&_useEV=&pctxt=fph&pgsl=060&_submenuId=factsheet_1&ds_name=null&_ci_nbr=null&qr_name=null&reg=null:null&_keyword=&_industry=">Census</a>, Old Bridge is estimated to be less than 12% Asian (since this isn't the new Census data, no way to break it down to desi), and is mostly white; it's true that neither the school district board nor the town council nor the Middlesex county freeholders seem to have any obviously desi members, nor did any seem to run in the last primary. But I don't think that really takes away their right to be outraged by racially focused violence, if that's what's happening.</p> Brown girl, I think it may be presumptuous to assume that no South Asians in the Township of Old Bridge are not trying to “particiapte, volunteer, get to know the community [they] live in.” According to the Census, Old Bridge is estimated to be less than 12% Asian (since this isn’t the new Census data, no way to break it down to desi), and is mostly white; it’s true that neither the school district board nor the town council nor the Middlesex county freeholders seem to have any obviously desi members, nor did any seem to run in the last primary. But I don’t think that really takes away their right to be outraged by racially focused violence, if that’s what’s happening.

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By: Shmaikat Chakrabarti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/01/an_outrage_for/comment-page-2/#comment-275329 Shmaikat Chakrabarti Sat, 03 Jul 2010 01:54:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6241#comment-275329 <p>♥ <strong>~OMG luved ur post!!!~</strong> ♥</p> ♥ ~OMG luved ur post!!!~ ♥

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By: Shmaikat Chakrabarti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/01/an_outrage_for/comment-page-2/#comment-275327 Shmaikat Chakrabarti Sat, 03 Jul 2010 01:46:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6241#comment-275327 <p><3 <strong>~OMG luved ur post!!!~</strong> <3</p> <3 ~OMG luved ur post!!!~ <3

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By: brown girl http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/01/an_outrage_for/comment-page-2/#comment-275309 brown girl Fri, 02 Jul 2010 23:41:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6241#comment-275309 <blockquote>Divyendu Sinha was savagely beaten and killed THIS WEEK. Where is a link to this story on your Facebook pages and Twitter feeds? Where are your letters to the local politicians and police? Maybe you will find time to write them when you are done being outraged at an unskilled satirist. But that’s so much more work, isn’t it? Being outraged at Stein is quick and easy. Minimal effort for maximum desi activist cred to pull out at your next potluck.</blockquote> <p>abhi, what do you think the "southasian response" should be to this horrific event? what exactly should be driving the outrage other than than the outrage one feels about any such insanity? the police are investigating and have charged the teenagers. they are looking into charge of bias. it seems to me the community is responsing to the tragedy. the president of the school commity has expressed extreme remorse and shock and that she was not aware of the harrasment the south asins are complaining about and surely would have addresed them if she had known.</p> <p>i am not sure if it is outrage that is called for or is it closer involvement with the community. some kind of a leadership or a spokesman who can speak for a community that feels harrassed and seek redress. are there southasians in the school committee? in the town board? why not? why do we not particiapte, volunteer, get to know the community we live in? why should we act as outsiders who can only express outrage? why don't we work from the inside?</p> Divyendu Sinha was savagely beaten and killed THIS WEEK. Where is a link to this story on your Facebook pages and Twitter feeds? Where are your letters to the local politicians and police? Maybe you will find time to write them when you are done being outraged at an unskilled satirist. But that’s so much more work, isn’t it? Being outraged at Stein is quick and easy. Minimal effort for maximum desi activist cred to pull out at your next potluck.

abhi, what do you think the “southasian response” should be to this horrific event? what exactly should be driving the outrage other than than the outrage one feels about any such insanity? the police are investigating and have charged the teenagers. they are looking into charge of bias. it seems to me the community is responsing to the tragedy. the president of the school commity has expressed extreme remorse and shock and that she was not aware of the harrasment the south asins are complaining about and surely would have addresed them if she had known.

i am not sure if it is outrage that is called for or is it closer involvement with the community. some kind of a leadership or a spokesman who can speak for a community that feels harrassed and seek redress. are there southasians in the school committee? in the town board? why not? why do we not particiapte, volunteer, get to know the community we live in? why should we act as outsiders who can only express outrage? why don’t we work from the inside?

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By: Keshav http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/01/an_outrage_for/comment-page-2/#comment-275303 Keshav Fri, 02 Jul 2010 22:50:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6241#comment-275303 <p>ABHI - Not to sound rude or anything, but wouldn't it have been better to actually blog about Mr. Sinha's tragic death rather than this. I think it would been a much more powerful statement than talking about the problem - there would have been action in the right direction rather yelling while standing still.</p> <h2>On the other hand, though, I feel that this is just part of Internet culture. It's just the nature of the beast. You have to take the good with the bad. Non-censorship encourages and allows the participation of a much larger group of people who are not necessarily going to share the same views.</h2> <p>Also, I'm not sure where you live but I don't buy this Hindu American community thing. I don't think its a very big, well organized, effective, or important group of people (despite me being an active member of that community) - I think you'd be hard pressed to find 5 people, let alone 100 (especially between the ages of 18-25) who know about or cared about the issues you talked about in the post. Most of the Hindu American community is relegated to older generations whose influence will wane significantly as they understand that the new generation coming of age doesn't really care.</p> ABHI - Not to sound rude or anything, but wouldn’t it have been better to actually blog about Mr. Sinha’s tragic death rather than this. I think it would been a much more powerful statement than talking about the problem – there would have been action in the right direction rather yelling while standing still.

On the other hand, though, I feel that this is just part of Internet culture. It’s just the nature of the beast. You have to take the good with the bad. Non-censorship encourages and allows the participation of a much larger group of people who are not necessarily going to share the same views.

Also, I’m not sure where you live but I don’t buy this Hindu American community thing. I don’t think its a very big, well organized, effective, or important group of people (despite me being an active member of that community) – I think you’d be hard pressed to find 5 people, let alone 100 (especially between the ages of 18-25) who know about or cared about the issues you talked about in the post. Most of the Hindu American community is relegated to older generations whose influence will wane significantly as they understand that the new generation coming of age doesn’t really care.

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By: brown girl http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/01/an_outrage_for/comment-page-2/#comment-275295 brown girl Fri, 02 Jul 2010 21:56:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6241#comment-275295 <p>nice expression of outrage over the outrage. :-)</p> nice expression of outrage over the outrage. :-)

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By: Cyrus http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/07/01/an_outrage_for/comment-page-2/#comment-275285 Cyrus Fri, 02 Jul 2010 20:26:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6241#comment-275285 <blockquote> <blockquote> <p>"That" coming from the same publication that posted that insipid "how to date Indian guys" article, which frankly I thought was far more offensive than anything Joel Stein's ever written.</p> </blockquote> </blockquote> <p>Yeah it was so awful how she gushed about how awesome Indians are.</p> <p>Some people never get tired of being outraged I guess</p>

“That” coming from the same publication that posted that insipid “how to date Indian guys” article, which frankly I thought was far more offensive than anything Joel Stein’s ever written.

Yeah it was so awful how she gushed about how awesome Indians are.

Some people never get tired of being outraged I guess

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