Comments on: Tuna Princess http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/26/tuna_princess/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Pavani http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/26/tuna_princess/comment-page-1/#comment-274816 Pavani Wed, 30 Jun 2010 04:15:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6235#comment-274816 <p>I'm intrigued by Rockwell/Lapata's style and hope to make it to a show one day. Glad to see more of her work on Sepia.</p> I’m intrigued by Rockwell/Lapata’s style and hope to make it to a show one day. Glad to see more of her work on Sepia.

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By: Sunny Grewal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/26/tuna_princess/comment-page-1/#comment-274633 Sunny Grewal Tue, 29 Jun 2010 04:42:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6235#comment-274633 <p>Sorry, forgot to mention that post 14 was stated for Amitava (post 3).</p> Sorry, forgot to mention that post 14 was stated for Amitava (post 3).

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By: Sunny Grewal http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/26/tuna_princess/comment-page-1/#comment-274632 Sunny Grewal Tue, 29 Jun 2010 04:41:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6235#comment-274632 <p>That is a better question aimed at the country you refused to identify in your post. Unlike its neighborhood, India isnt harvesting its male youth to become suicide bombers and political pawns so that it can retain some degree of political clout in the sub continent. India is doing fine with the terrorism and it will do even better once it stamps it out.</p> That is a better question aimed at the country you refused to identify in your post. Unlike its neighborhood, India isnt harvesting its male youth to become suicide bombers and political pawns so that it can retain some degree of political clout in the sub continent. India is doing fine with the terrorism and it will do even better once it stamps it out.

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By: huntington's disease http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/26/tuna_princess/comment-page-1/#comment-274619 huntington's disease Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:30:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6235#comment-274619 <blockquote>I get it, its the fault of everyone except terrorist jehadis, proponents of jehadi ideology, apologists for jehadist hatred and dogma, and spreaders of bigotry and Islamic extremism. </blockquote> <p>well, since that wasn't remotely what was said by the OP, maybe you should look inside yourself as to why you are so eager to assign blame.</p> I get it, its the fault of everyone except terrorist jehadis, proponents of jehadi ideology, apologists for jehadist hatred and dogma, and spreaders of bigotry and Islamic extremism.

well, since that wasn’t remotely what was said by the OP, maybe you should look inside yourself as to why you are so eager to assign blame.

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By: Deepak http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/26/tuna_princess/comment-page-1/#comment-274604 Deepak Mon, 28 Jun 2010 20:02:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6235#comment-274604 <p>Mullah Omar and bin Laden have become metaphors now. Almost ceasing to exist as people. Neon signs of war, of terror, of resistance, of dogma -- depending on which camp you belong to. Personally, I think Rockwell's work would be more interesting if she decided to forgo the bigwigs of "terror" altogether, instead concentrating specifically on the "ordinary" terrorist (a grim turn of phrase), footsoldiers destined to be forgotten footnotes. Portraits of men and women with no known back stories acting like cheat sheets; who stare out, like people do, when the camera takes a picture. And at that point we decide, whether to empathize, to choose to be uninterested, to be venomous, or something else altogether.</p> <p>There have been other approaches to humanize the complexities of violence. In 2005, a group of photographers landed in conflict-ridden Israel and Palestine and put up giant posters, close-ups, of Palestinians and Israelis, of all shades and expressions, side by side. What the posters didn't do was identify the Palestinian and the Israeli; one had to guess: http://face2faceproject.com/. The point was made.</p> <p>I think the ordinariness Rockwell strives for, to make better sense or no sense of the mayhem of terrorists, is better captured in Emmanuel Guibert's and Didier Lefevre's graphic work, "The Photographer." Guibert's etchings and Lefevre's photographs don't pretend to understand the complexities of a dirty war or its participants, but to be fair, this was before the War on Terror rhetoric. And it is a different kind of war. Yet in the drawings and the landscape, war's dominance, its craziness, is evident. As a reader, you are drawn in, and you stay there, in that hole. When you come out, you don't know what to do.</p> <p>I reacted similarly to "Restrepo," Tim Hetherington and Sebastian Junger's documentary about the Battle Company's turbulent 14-month deployment in an outpost in Afghanistan's Korangal Valley. The film makers wanted to make a film about the daily perils of an ordinary American soldier. In the backdrop are ordinary Afghans; the film, Hetherington confessed at the Q & A, wasn't about them. Yet one of the film's strongest scenes involve this Afghan family who are ushered out of their home, victims of a bombing by military aircraft. They, children among them, troop out terrified. There has been collateral damage; an infant is covered in shrapnel. And with a straight face, albeit apologetic, a military commander tells the villagers such mistakes may reoccur if they continue to shelter the Taliban. At that point, for me, the bad guys and the good guys sat in a pool of gray.</p> Mullah Omar and bin Laden have become metaphors now. Almost ceasing to exist as people. Neon signs of war, of terror, of resistance, of dogma — depending on which camp you belong to. Personally, I think Rockwell’s work would be more interesting if she decided to forgo the bigwigs of “terror” altogether, instead concentrating specifically on the “ordinary” terrorist (a grim turn of phrase), footsoldiers destined to be forgotten footnotes. Portraits of men and women with no known back stories acting like cheat sheets; who stare out, like people do, when the camera takes a picture. And at that point we decide, whether to empathize, to choose to be uninterested, to be venomous, or something else altogether.

There have been other approaches to humanize the complexities of violence. In 2005, a group of photographers landed in conflict-ridden Israel and Palestine and put up giant posters, close-ups, of Palestinians and Israelis, of all shades and expressions, side by side. What the posters didn’t do was identify the Palestinian and the Israeli; one had to guess: http://face2faceproject.com/. The point was made.

I think the ordinariness Rockwell strives for, to make better sense or no sense of the mayhem of terrorists, is better captured in Emmanuel Guibert’s and Didier Lefevre’s graphic work, “The Photographer.” Guibert’s etchings and Lefevre’s photographs don’t pretend to understand the complexities of a dirty war or its participants, but to be fair, this was before the War on Terror rhetoric. And it is a different kind of war. Yet in the drawings and the landscape, war’s dominance, its craziness, is evident. As a reader, you are drawn in, and you stay there, in that hole. When you come out, you don’t know what to do.

I reacted similarly to “Restrepo,” Tim Hetherington and Sebastian Junger’s documentary about the Battle Company’s turbulent 14-month deployment in an outpost in Afghanistan’s Korangal Valley. The film makers wanted to make a film about the daily perils of an ordinary American soldier. In the backdrop are ordinary Afghans; the film, Hetherington confessed at the Q & A, wasn’t about them. Yet one of the film’s strongest scenes involve this Afghan family who are ushered out of their home, victims of a bombing by military aircraft. They, children among them, troop out terrified. There has been collateral damage; an infant is covered in shrapnel. And with a straight face, albeit apologetic, a military commander tells the villagers such mistakes may reoccur if they continue to shelter the Taliban. At that point, for me, the bad guys and the good guys sat in a pool of gray.

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By: Jasleen http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/26/tuna_princess/comment-page-1/#comment-274592 Jasleen Mon, 28 Jun 2010 17:19:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6235#comment-274592 <p>I get it, its the fault of everyone except terrorist jehadis, proponents of jehadi ideology, apologists for jehadist hatred and dogma, and spreaders of bigotry and Islamic extremism.</p> <p>Yeah, we get it, enough already. Its our fault.</p> I get it, its the fault of everyone except terrorist jehadis, proponents of jehadi ideology, apologists for jehadist hatred and dogma, and spreaders of bigotry and Islamic extremism.

Yeah, we get it, enough already. Its our fault.

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/26/tuna_princess/comment-page-1/#comment-274583 Sameer Mon, 28 Jun 2010 14:50:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6235#comment-274583 <p><i>*Mohamed Mahmood Alessa was arrested with his friend (and co-conspirator) on the way to join a militant group in Somalia. His mother has said that he wanted to take his cat, Tuna Princess, with him, but she did not allow it and they argued. </i></p> <p>I don't find this to be redeeming. Thank God this cat had his mother to protect her! This to me shows another serious flaw in this guy. A real animal lover would want to make sure their pets are safe and well taken care of if they are not able. He wasn't going to Disneyland, he was going to SOMALIA to join a terrorist group. That is a violent life he chose. He was selfish, thinking of his own wants. He wanted his cat to be with him in his chosen violent life path because it pleased him, not that it was best for his cat. That isn't love shown to this cat. That is about what the cat can do for him. This is not good for the cat. He showed poor judgment in this and recklessness and selfishness. No animal shelter who cares for the well being of the animals that they hope to place in a stable home would accept this guy as a someone whom they would allow to adopt their animals.</p> <p>So instead of showing him with Tuna Princess on his bed, the artist should have shown him in Somalia with the terrorists with his cat. That is the real care and concern he feels for the cat. His mother should have been alone on the bed with the cat instead.</p> *Mohamed Mahmood Alessa was arrested with his friend (and co-conspirator) on the way to join a militant group in Somalia. His mother has said that he wanted to take his cat, Tuna Princess, with him, but she did not allow it and they argued.

I don’t find this to be redeeming. Thank God this cat had his mother to protect her! This to me shows another serious flaw in this guy. A real animal lover would want to make sure their pets are safe and well taken care of if they are not able. He wasn’t going to Disneyland, he was going to SOMALIA to join a terrorist group. That is a violent life he chose. He was selfish, thinking of his own wants. He wanted his cat to be with him in his chosen violent life path because it pleased him, not that it was best for his cat. That isn’t love shown to this cat. That is about what the cat can do for him. This is not good for the cat. He showed poor judgment in this and recklessness and selfishness. No animal shelter who cares for the well being of the animals that they hope to place in a stable home would accept this guy as a someone whom they would allow to adopt their animals.

So instead of showing him with Tuna Princess on his bed, the artist should have shown him in Somalia with the terrorists with his cat. That is the real care and concern he feels for the cat. His mother should have been alone on the bed with the cat instead.

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/26/tuna_princess/comment-page-1/#comment-274582 Sameer Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:59:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6235#comment-274582 <p>A lot of people who commit crimes have "nice" things about them. But they committed a crime and are now where they belong in prison. They are made to take responsibility for their crimes. Taking responsibility for what you have done is necessary for both the individual who committed the crime and to his victims of his crime and to society. It is up to them to turn their life around, realize how they have screwed up their lives and have harmed others. It is part of being an adult. Being responsible for one's actions and living with the consequences of one's actions.</p> A lot of people who commit crimes have “nice” things about them. But they committed a crime and are now where they belong in prison. They are made to take responsibility for their crimes. Taking responsibility for what you have done is necessary for both the individual who committed the crime and to his victims of his crime and to society. It is up to them to turn their life around, realize how they have screwed up their lives and have harmed others. It is part of being an adult. Being responsible for one’s actions and living with the consequences of one’s actions.

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By: huntington's disease http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/26/tuna_princess/comment-page-1/#comment-274564 huntington's disease Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:46:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6235#comment-274564 <blockquote>or the war on terrorism. Fighting monsters does not automatically damn us to become like them. </blockquote> <p>war on terrorism is a good example of how fungible the line of judicial constraint or legality can be and the kinds of acts which the "civilized" will resort to when they dehumanize the other. and use apocalyptic rhetoric to excuse various acts.</p> or the war on terrorism. Fighting monsters does not automatically damn us to become like them.

war on terrorism is a good example of how fungible the line of judicial constraint or legality can be and the kinds of acts which the “civilized” will resort to when they dehumanize the other. and use apocalyptic rhetoric to excuse various acts.

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By: Keshav http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/26/tuna_princess/comment-page-1/#comment-274556 Keshav Sun, 27 Jun 2010 20:21:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6235#comment-274556 <p>I'd heard of rasas before but the only thing I think of is Ras Lila and the story of Krishna</p> <p>Here are the nine rasas, or "pure emotion" which I thought was pretty interesting because emotion is usually anything but.</p> <p>Love (Shrinagara) Joy (Hasya) Wonder (Adbhuta) Peace (Shanta) Anger (Raudra) Courage (Veera) Sadness (Karuna) Fear (Bhayanaka) Disgust (Vibhatsa)</p> <p>There's a couple interesting ones in there. Like, I never really of "peace" or "courage" as an emotion.</p> <p>Amitava - Just an aside, because I don't want to go too far off topic. There have been plenty of instances of violence that have not lead to further violence. Consider World War II or the war on terrorism. Fighting monsters does not automatically damn us to become like them. Maybe you weren't setting up the dichotomy of fight vs. non-violence (but it seems like it) but the real challenge here is to fight with judicial constraint.</p> I’d heard of rasas before but the only thing I think of is Ras Lila and the story of Krishna

Here are the nine rasas, or “pure emotion” which I thought was pretty interesting because emotion is usually anything but.

Love (Shrinagara) Joy (Hasya) Wonder (Adbhuta) Peace (Shanta) Anger (Raudra) Courage (Veera) Sadness (Karuna) Fear (Bhayanaka) Disgust (Vibhatsa)

There’s a couple interesting ones in there. Like, I never really of “peace” or “courage” as an emotion.

Amitava - Just an aside, because I don’t want to go too far off topic. There have been plenty of instances of violence that have not lead to further violence. Consider World War II or the war on terrorism. Fighting monsters does not automatically damn us to become like them. Maybe you weren’t setting up the dichotomy of fight vs. non-violence (but it seems like it) but the real challenge here is to fight with judicial constraint.

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