Comments on: Elmo-wielding Terrorist Toddler Stars in Security Theater http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/19/elmo-wielding_t/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: stars theater | CINEMA STARS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/19/elmo-wielding_t/comment-page-2/#comment-286464 stars theater | CINEMA STARS Fri, 16 Sep 2011 06:35:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6224#comment-286464 <p>[...] Elmo-wielding Terrorist Toddler Stars in Security Theater | Sepia … Elmo-wielding Terrorist Toddler Stars in Security Theater. Posted on June 19, 2010 by anna. I live in Washington, D.C.. 10967282_3799e75522_m.jpg I have lived here since I moved to this great city from my native California in 1999, to attend …http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/20 .. [...]</p> [...] Elmo-wielding Terrorist Toddler Stars in Security Theater | Sepia … Elmo-wielding Terrorist Toddler Stars in Security Theater. Posted on June 19, 2010 by anna. I live in Washington, D.C.. 10967282_3799e75522_m.jpg I have lived here since I moved to this great city from my native California in 1999, to attend …http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/20 .. [...]

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/19/elmo-wielding_t/comment-page-2/#comment-274320 Sameer Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:25:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6224#comment-274320 <p>@ 47</p> <p>Actually I did suggest what would work better - behavioral profiling, along with local, state, federal and cross country interpol cooperation. First and foremost it is a law enforcement issue and it takes monitoring over a period of time, which is how they caught the last two would be terrorists in NYC - one of whom was Latino. Again racially profiling for Middle Eastern men would not have caught the Times Square bomber, the underwear bomber, the shoe bomber, Jhad Jane, Virginia LeT guy who used to work for CAIR, and actually several others. It has been ALREADY a racially diverse group of terrorists. Also Middle Eastern people are in the US considered WHITE. So even if you still want to racially profile, you have to racially profile white people anyway.</p> @ 47

Actually I did suggest what would work better – behavioral profiling, along with local, state, federal and cross country interpol cooperation. First and foremost it is a law enforcement issue and it takes monitoring over a period of time, which is how they caught the last two would be terrorists in NYC – one of whom was Latino. Again racially profiling for Middle Eastern men would not have caught the Times Square bomber, the underwear bomber, the shoe bomber, Jhad Jane, Virginia LeT guy who used to work for CAIR, and actually several others. It has been ALREADY a racially diverse group of terrorists. Also Middle Eastern people are in the US considered WHITE. So even if you still want to racially profile, you have to racially profile white people anyway.

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By: wunderbar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/19/elmo-wielding_t/comment-page-2/#comment-274309 wunderbar Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:57:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6224#comment-274309 <h1>46: <i> Yeah well, I doubt cops would be stopping non-white people if they were looking for some violent KKK gang members would they ?</h1> <p>The KKK IS about race. They are a white only group. So in this case it would make sense to look only for white people.</i></p> <p>By the same token Al Qaeda is about religion. Are you saying you'd be okay if the profiling for airport security were strictly by religion ?</p> 46: Yeah well, I doubt cops would be stopping non-white people if they were looking for some violent KKK gang members would they ?

The KKK IS about race. They are a white only group. So in this case it would make sense to look only for white people.

By the same token Al Qaeda is about religion. Are you saying you’d be okay if the profiling for airport security were strictly by religion ?

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By: roshan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/19/elmo-wielding_t/comment-page-1/#comment-274294 roshan Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:18:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6224#comment-274294 <p>@35 Yeah, next time I will try and provide the solutions to all the worlds problem on a random blog. Thanks for letting me know.</p> @35 Yeah, next time I will try and provide the solutions to all the worlds problem on a random blog. Thanks for letting me know.

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By: Nish http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/19/elmo-wielding_t/comment-page-1/#comment-274290 Nish Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:43:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6224#comment-274290 <h2>The hardest thing about travel is explaining to them why I keep getting pulled aside for extra screening (probably because of the hijab),</h2> <p>As an American, it's important that you explain to them that it's not because of any blind racial hatred that you have to go through this but because more than a negligible number of people who follow your religion indulged in some rather sad activities that unfortunately led to this mass stereotype about all Muslims. It's sad but logical and to be expected.</p> The hardest thing about travel is explaining to them why I keep getting pulled aside for extra screening (probably because of the hijab),

As an American, it’s important that you explain to them that it’s not because of any blind racial hatred that you have to go through this but because more than a negligible number of people who follow your religion indulged in some rather sad activities that unfortunately led to this mass stereotype about all Muslims. It’s sad but logical and to be expected.

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By: mida http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/19/elmo-wielding_t/comment-page-1/#comment-274275 mida Tue, 22 Jun 2010 05:31:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6224#comment-274275 <p>So far we've been lucky. My two boys, 4years and 18 months, have yet to get pulled aside for extra security, although my then-9-month old got wanded because the TSA agent thought his rear felt a little too full. Well, duh. He had a wet diaper! I offered to let the agent change his diaper. But I think it's really really sad that my 4 year old son, when he goes to the airport, immediately takes off his own shoes and puts them on the conveyor belt with his hat and backpack.</p> <p>The hardest thing about travel is explaining to them why I keep getting pulled aside for extra screening (probably because of the hijab), and why they aren't allowed to come near me during then. Freaks the younger one to no end. And the TSA folks are not very sympathetic that there is a kid wailing for mommy.</p> <p>The thing is, I never felt comfortable with the whole stand up and make my voice heard about things to protest. Because wouldn't that mean I am putting myself up as a target - I might get in trouble with the TSA for being "un-American"</p> So far we’ve been lucky. My two boys, 4years and 18 months, have yet to get pulled aside for extra security, although my then-9-month old got wanded because the TSA agent thought his rear felt a little too full. Well, duh. He had a wet diaper! I offered to let the agent change his diaper. But I think it’s really really sad that my 4 year old son, when he goes to the airport, immediately takes off his own shoes and puts them on the conveyor belt with his hat and backpack.

The hardest thing about travel is explaining to them why I keep getting pulled aside for extra screening (probably because of the hijab), and why they aren’t allowed to come near me during then. Freaks the younger one to no end. And the TSA folks are not very sympathetic that there is a kid wailing for mommy.

The thing is, I never felt comfortable with the whole stand up and make my voice heard about things to protest. Because wouldn’t that mean I am putting myself up as a target – I might get in trouble with the TSA for being “un-American”

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By: RealityCheck http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/19/elmo-wielding_t/comment-page-1/#comment-274267 RealityCheck Tue, 22 Jun 2010 04:17:40 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6224#comment-274267 <p>@46</p> <p>I think you are missing the point. Profiling is a composite tool, with gender/racial/religious/ethnic/behavioral data forming weighted factors in building an approximate model of the kind of terrorists one is looking for. To entirely sweep off any factor is short sighted. Depending on the context, the weightage attached to each factor is a sliding scale. Israel uses a bunch of these techniques to thwart attacks very successfully.Is any technique totally fool proof ? No. Like the line goes, every time you build a good mouse trap, a smarter mouse comes along. Does that mean you wont catch atleast some of the dumber mice ? No. So what do you suggest as a way to prevent and apprehend terrorists and prevent innocent people being sometimes harassed? Even cancer cures sometimes raise your risk for getting other kinds of cancer. Those are the breaks. Everybody knows what supposedly "will not work". But nobody has any suggestions of what will work.</p> @46

I think you are missing the point. Profiling is a composite tool, with gender/racial/religious/ethnic/behavioral data forming weighted factors in building an approximate model of the kind of terrorists one is looking for. To entirely sweep off any factor is short sighted. Depending on the context, the weightage attached to each factor is a sliding scale. Israel uses a bunch of these techniques to thwart attacks very successfully.Is any technique totally fool proof ? No. Like the line goes, every time you build a good mouse trap, a smarter mouse comes along. Does that mean you wont catch atleast some of the dumber mice ? No. So what do you suggest as a way to prevent and apprehend terrorists and prevent innocent people being sometimes harassed? Even cancer cures sometimes raise your risk for getting other kinds of cancer. Those are the breaks. Everybody knows what supposedly “will not work”. But nobody has any suggestions of what will work.

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/19/elmo-wielding_t/comment-page-1/#comment-274244 Sameer Tue, 22 Jun 2010 02:07:14 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6224#comment-274244 <blockquote>Yeah well, I doubt cops would be stopping non-white people if they were looking for some violent KKK gang members would they ?</blockquote> <p>The KKK IS about race. They are a white only group. So in this case it would make sense to look only for white people.</p> <p>Terrorism that we face now is NOT done by one racial group. The terrorist network is multiracial and multinational, those born into the faith who became radical and those who converted and then became radical. So racial profiling will not work when the organization is multiracial. Not only does it include men but another report wrote about terrorist recruiting women to implant explosives in the breast so to beat the super scanners airports have installed in places like Britain.</p> Yeah well, I doubt cops would be stopping non-white people if they were looking for some violent KKK gang members would they ?

The KKK IS about race. They are a white only group. So in this case it would make sense to look only for white people.

Terrorism that we face now is NOT done by one racial group. The terrorist network is multiracial and multinational, those born into the faith who became radical and those who converted and then became radical. So racial profiling will not work when the organization is multiracial. Not only does it include men but another report wrote about terrorist recruiting women to implant explosives in the breast so to beat the super scanners airports have installed in places like Britain.

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By: Upbhransh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/19/elmo-wielding_t/comment-page-1/#comment-274233 Upbhransh Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:56:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6224#comment-274233 <p>I am a prety tall and broad brown guy and being lazy enough, I always have a bit of a stubble. I would presume I will be the prime contender for some good old profiling at the airports. But interestingly , all throughout my frequent travells, I dont think I have been singled out more than 2-3 times. But when my mom (who is barely 5'1'' and the most innocuous looking thing imaginable) was here for a visit, she got singled out atleast 3-4 times in a month and they did the whole wand search and pat down on her every time.</p> <p>I am still trying to figure what makes her such a perceived risk</p> I am a prety tall and broad brown guy and being lazy enough, I always have a bit of a stubble. I would presume I will be the prime contender for some good old profiling at the airports. But interestingly , all throughout my frequent travells, I dont think I have been singled out more than 2-3 times. But when my mom (who is barely 5’1” and the most innocuous looking thing imaginable) was here for a visit, she got singled out atleast 3-4 times in a month and they did the whole wand search and pat down on her every time.

I am still trying to figure what makes her such a perceived risk

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By: politics http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/06/19/elmo-wielding_t/comment-page-1/#comment-274218 politics Mon, 21 Jun 2010 19:19:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6224#comment-274218 <p>Sorry to belabor the point, but also consider the impact on ability to compete on educational grounds among children whose racial identity is or is assigned through superficial appearance based characteristics to a profile. A generation that is forced to accept that there identity or assigned identity makes them an identified problem unless proven otherwise. Based on what and with what processes will we be asked or directed to take these steps, and for how long? What is the.metric for when these supposed hopefully special circumstances can be lifted, and how would this be decided?</p> Sorry to belabor the point, but also consider the impact on ability to compete on educational grounds among children whose racial identity is or is assigned through superficial appearance based characteristics to a profile. A generation that is forced to accept that there identity or assigned identity makes them an identified problem unless proven otherwise. Based on what and with what processes will we be asked or directed to take these steps, and for how long? What is the.metric for when these supposed hopefully special circumstances can be lifted, and how would this be decided?

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