Comments on: Attacks in Lahore at Ahmadi Mosques: an Eyewitness Account http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/28/attacks_in_laho/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Nitin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/28/attacks_in_laho/comment-page-1/#comment-272876 Nitin Mon, 31 May 2010 23:55:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6190#comment-272876 <blockquote>"Ahmadis today are lying in jails, waiting death penalties, are being totured physcially and mentally and are their voices are being suppressed day in and day out for just one reason: their belief. We ask you for your support. Sign this petition, help the Ahmadis realise their freedom something which every human being is entitled to. Voice out against religious persecution! " </blockquote> <p>But expand that to all non-Muslims in Pakistan whose populations have dwindled since partition.</p> <p><u><b>"<a href="http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_57-pakistani-hindus-convert-to-islam-under-pressure_1388695">57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam 'under pressure</a>"</b></u> http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_57-pakistani-hindus-convert-to-islam-under-pressure_1388695 "According to Mangut Ram, his co workers often used to speak against Hindus in Karachi where his family worked. “The owner of the shop where I worked said that after a few months of his employing me the sales dropped drastically because people avoided purchasing and eating edibles prepared by Hindus. Many people opposed the large presence of Hindu employees at his shop and my boss felt pressured to change the situation,” he added.</p> <p>Ram said Sardari Lal and his brother Meena/Kartar had worked at the sweets shops for several years and made a decent living that allowed them to support their families.</p> <p>He said other Muslims employees of the nearby shops discriminated against them and persecuted them. The shop owner was forced to think about their future at his establishment. “That was when the two brothers and their families decided to embrace Islam in order to keep their jobs and be secure,” he added."</p> “Ahmadis today are lying in jails, waiting death penalties, are being totured physcially and mentally and are their voices are being suppressed day in and day out for just one reason: their belief. We ask you for your support. Sign this petition, help the Ahmadis realise their freedom something which every human being is entitled to. Voice out against religious persecution! ”

But expand that to all non-Muslims in Pakistan whose populations have dwindled since partition.

57 Pakistani Hindus convert to Islam ‘under pressure http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_57-pakistani-hindus-convert-to-islam-under-pressure_1388695 “According to Mangut Ram, his co workers often used to speak against Hindus in Karachi where his family worked. “The owner of the shop where I worked said that after a few months of his employing me the sales dropped drastically because people avoided purchasing and eating edibles prepared by Hindus. Many people opposed the large presence of Hindu employees at his shop and my boss felt pressured to change the situation,” he added.

Ram said Sardari Lal and his brother Meena/Kartar had worked at the sweets shops for several years and made a decent living that allowed them to support their families.

He said other Muslims employees of the nearby shops discriminated against them and persecuted them. The shop owner was forced to think about their future at his establishment. “That was when the two brothers and their families decided to embrace Islam in order to keep their jobs and be secure,” he added.”

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By: Nitin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/28/attacks_in_laho/comment-page-1/#comment-272874 Nitin Mon, 31 May 2010 23:49:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6190#comment-272874 <p>Any apostates in Islam and how they are treated by other Muslims.</p> <p>The treatment of Ahmadis is the treatment of apostates. No matter if you are Palestinian or Pakistani, Ahmadis are considered apostates - they have strayed too far from core Islamic teachings to the point of being considered apostates. How interesting that their peaceful teaching of jihad as only non-violent by Ahmadis is one of the things that other Muslims consider the realm of apostasy. Is it any wonder they are safer in non-Islamic states? Non-Muslim religions may be ignored as just plain old wrong, but Ahmadis pose a different threat as they consider themselves to be Muslims therefore threaten what non-Ahmadis Muslims believe in ways that non-Muslims do not.</p> Any apostates in Islam and how they are treated by other Muslims.

The treatment of Ahmadis is the treatment of apostates. No matter if you are Palestinian or Pakistani, Ahmadis are considered apostates – they have strayed too far from core Islamic teachings to the point of being considered apostates. How interesting that their peaceful teaching of jihad as only non-violent by Ahmadis is one of the things that other Muslims consider the realm of apostasy. Is it any wonder they are safer in non-Islamic states? Non-Muslim religions may be ignored as just plain old wrong, but Ahmadis pose a different threat as they consider themselves to be Muslims therefore threaten what non-Ahmadis Muslims believe in ways that non-Muslims do not.

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By: AJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/28/attacks_in_laho/comment-page-1/#comment-272873 AJ Mon, 31 May 2010 23:31:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6190#comment-272873 <p>Looks like there is no end to this. The hospital where the people were being treated has been attacked and some patients have been taken hostage.</p> <p><a href="http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=105846">Gunmen storm Jinnah Hospital</a></p> Looks like there is no end to this. The hospital where the people were being treated has been attacked and some patients have been taken hostage.

Gunmen storm Jinnah Hospital

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By: samarellahi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/28/attacks_in_laho/comment-page-1/#comment-272872 samarellahi Mon, 31 May 2010 22:56:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6190#comment-272872 <p>Pakistan is a country which has devised its constitution to politically infuse Islamic Law which is not only misinterpreted but also misused.</p> <p>Politcally instituted Shariat has defined many new laws which are often a glaring contrast between true Islamic values and those implemented.</p> <p>Blasphemy Law is one such law which is used to persecute and condemn Muslims and non Muslims alike. The worst affected by these laws are the so called minorities in Pakistan based on religous beliefs. Amongst these, those facing extreme inhuman treatment are Ahmadi Muslims and Chirstians.</p> <p>Particularly Ahmadi Muslims have become the popular target for religous extremists and fanatics and this has been encouraged by the solemn oath of Ahmadis not to retaliate, since their religion mandates peace and love for all while haterd for none.</p> <p>Under new ordinances and laws Ahmadis can not: 1. Preach their belief. 2. Call themselves a Muslim. 3. Recite Holy Quran. 4. Say Muslim salutation "Aasalam-o-Alaikum". 5. Recite "Kalima Tayyeba" i.e. There is no one worthy of worship except Allah, Muhammad is His Prophet. 6. Call for Prayers (Adhan). 7. Call their places of worship as "Masjid". 8. Cannot posses anything (badge/book etc.) on which Quranic Verses or Ahadith (sayings of Prophet Mohammad [peace be upon him]) are printed. 9. Act or pose like a Muslim 10. Do any such act which hurts the feelings of another Muslim.</p> <p>Any of the above acts is punishable from 3 to 7 years´ imprisonment and fine but most of the cases show that Section 295-C is added against Ahmadis wrongfully which carries Death sentence. This is in clear violation of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion rights mentioned in Pakistan's Constitution. Compared to other non-Muslims (Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists etc.) who are not covered under above, as it is not part of their belief. Other non-Muslims except Ahmadis will only be booked under Blasphemy Law when they say anything degrading Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or burn the copies of Holy Quran. Ahmadis cannot even think of doing any such act as belief in Prophet Muhammad [peace be upon him] and the Holy Quran is the basic principle of Ahmadiyyat.</p> <p>In the words of a President of Pakistan, " Ahmadis offend me. I have a sacred duty to rid Pakistan of them. I intend to drive them out. These laws may violate Human Rights but I don't care."</p> <p>The evidence of inhuman treatment against Ahmadis can be found in every human rights reports from US State department, UNO, Amnesty Interantional etc.</p> <p>Ahmadis today are lying in jails, waiting death penalties, are being totured physcially and mentally and are their voices are being suppressed day in and day out for just one reason: their belief. We ask you for your support. Sign this petition, help the Ahmadis realise their freedom something which every human being is entitled to. Voice out against religious persecution!</p> Pakistan is a country which has devised its constitution to politically infuse Islamic Law which is not only misinterpreted but also misused.

Politcally instituted Shariat has defined many new laws which are often a glaring contrast between true Islamic values and those implemented.

Blasphemy Law is one such law which is used to persecute and condemn Muslims and non Muslims alike. The worst affected by these laws are the so called minorities in Pakistan based on religous beliefs. Amongst these, those facing extreme inhuman treatment are Ahmadi Muslims and Chirstians.

Particularly Ahmadi Muslims have become the popular target for religous extremists and fanatics and this has been encouraged by the solemn oath of Ahmadis not to retaliate, since their religion mandates peace and love for all while haterd for none.

Under new ordinances and laws Ahmadis can not: 1. Preach their belief. 2. Call themselves a Muslim. 3. Recite Holy Quran. 4. Say Muslim salutation “Aasalam-o-Alaikum”. 5. Recite “Kalima Tayyeba” i.e. There is no one worthy of worship except Allah, Muhammad is His Prophet. 6. Call for Prayers (Adhan). 7. Call their places of worship as “Masjid”. 8. Cannot posses anything (badge/book etc.) on which Quranic Verses or Ahadith (sayings of Prophet Mohammad [peace be upon him]) are printed. 9. Act or pose like a Muslim 10. Do any such act which hurts the feelings of another Muslim.

Any of the above acts is punishable from 3 to 7 years´ imprisonment and fine but most of the cases show that Section 295-C is added against Ahmadis wrongfully which carries Death sentence. This is in clear violation of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion rights mentioned in Pakistan’s Constitution. Compared to other non-Muslims (Christians, Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists etc.) who are not covered under above, as it is not part of their belief. Other non-Muslims except Ahmadis will only be booked under Blasphemy Law when they say anything degrading Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) or burn the copies of Holy Quran. Ahmadis cannot even think of doing any such act as belief in Prophet Muhammad [peace be upon him] and the Holy Quran is the basic principle of Ahmadiyyat.

In the words of a President of Pakistan, ” Ahmadis offend me. I have a sacred duty to rid Pakistan of them. I intend to drive them out. These laws may violate Human Rights but I don’t care.”

The evidence of inhuman treatment against Ahmadis can be found in every human rights reports from US State department, UNO, Amnesty Interantional etc.

Ahmadis today are lying in jails, waiting death penalties, are being totured physcially and mentally and are their voices are being suppressed day in and day out for just one reason: their belief. We ask you for your support. Sign this petition, help the Ahmadis realise their freedom something which every human being is entitled to. Voice out against religious persecution!

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By: Nitin http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/28/attacks_in_laho/comment-page-1/#comment-272871 Nitin Mon, 31 May 2010 21:42:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6190#comment-272871 <p>Not only in Pakistan. The Ahmadis face death since the Palestinian Authority clerics labeled them apostates.</p> <p>"<b>The teachings of the moderate Ahmadiyya sect of Islam have been labeled apostasy by Palestinian Authority clerics, leaving its members open to persecution and even threats of murder.</b> PA leaders have refused to step in, saying the status of the Ahmadiyya community is a matter for the courts to decide.</p> <p>Arutz Sheva's Hebrew news service spoke to Mohammed Sharif Ouda, head of the Ahmadi community in Israel, who discussed the problems facing Ahmadi Muslims in the PA and worldwide.</p> <p>Ouda began with a brief description of Ahmadi beliefs. Ahmadi Muslims follow the teachings of Mirzam Ghulam Ahmad, who they believe was the Muslim messiah. Ahmad preached that Islam had been distorted, and urged his followers to return to what he taught was the true Islam – a peaceful Islam that renounces violence and defines “jihad” as a form of inner struggle, and not an armed struggle. <b> The PA clerics' ruling on Ahmadi Islam poses a danger, he said. The penalty for apostasy in Islam is death, and while the PA has decided not to impose the death penalty on its Ahmadi residents, the decision to label them apostates puts them in danger nonetheless, he said. “They're encouraging the cold-blooded murder of Ahmadis,” he charged.</b>" <a href="http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/137789">PA's Moderate Muslims Face Threats</a></p> Not only in Pakistan. The Ahmadis face death since the Palestinian Authority clerics labeled them apostates.

The teachings of the moderate Ahmadiyya sect of Islam have been labeled apostasy by Palestinian Authority clerics, leaving its members open to persecution and even threats of murder. PA leaders have refused to step in, saying the status of the Ahmadiyya community is a matter for the courts to decide.

Arutz Sheva’s Hebrew news service spoke to Mohammed Sharif Ouda, head of the Ahmadi community in Israel, who discussed the problems facing Ahmadi Muslims in the PA and worldwide.

Ouda began with a brief description of Ahmadi beliefs. Ahmadi Muslims follow the teachings of Mirzam Ghulam Ahmad, who they believe was the Muslim messiah. Ahmad preached that Islam had been distorted, and urged his followers to return to what he taught was the true Islam – a peaceful Islam that renounces violence and defines “jihad” as a form of inner struggle, and not an armed struggle. The PA clerics’ ruling on Ahmadi Islam poses a danger, he said. The penalty for apostasy in Islam is death, and while the PA has decided not to impose the death penalty on its Ahmadi residents, the decision to label them apostates puts them in danger nonetheless, he said. “They’re encouraging the cold-blooded murder of Ahmadis,” he charged.PA’s Moderate Muslims Face Threats

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By: mubasher naveed http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/28/attacks_in_laho/comment-page-1/#comment-272859 mubasher naveed Mon, 31 May 2010 17:12:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6190#comment-272859 <p>these attacks are very shamefull for pakistan security agencies.and role of plice was not gud at the time.at this sad time we are with ahmadiyya muslim comunity in this sorrow.03346974006</p> these attacks are very shamefull for pakistan security agencies.and role of plice was not gud at the time.at this sad time we are with ahmadiyya muslim comunity in this sorrow.03346974006

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By: Observer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/28/attacks_in_laho/comment-page-1/#comment-272814 Observer Sun, 30 May 2010 18:58:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6190#comment-272814 <p>This is so shocking as is the general treatment of Ahmadiyyas in Pakistan. My grandmother was a Punjabi Ahmadiyya from Lahore in undivided India who grew up in Qadian, Punjab on the Indian side and remained in India after partition while the rest of her family moved to Pakistan. Her house had a library full of books on Islam and Ahmadiyyat - scholarly examinations of the religion and such. My grandmother's family was close to the founder of Ahmadiyyat - and her message was always to understand Islam and the scriptures rather than blindly following anything. Ahmadis value education tremendously and most are highly educated and peace loving. I am shocked to see their treatment in Pakistan - ironically, the people in the family who left for the newly created muslim state of Pakistan in 1947 were persecuted for their religious beliefs while my grandmother in India could freely follow her faith all her life...</p> This is so shocking as is the general treatment of Ahmadiyyas in Pakistan. My grandmother was a Punjabi Ahmadiyya from Lahore in undivided India who grew up in Qadian, Punjab on the Indian side and remained in India after partition while the rest of her family moved to Pakistan. Her house had a library full of books on Islam and Ahmadiyyat – scholarly examinations of the religion and such. My grandmother’s family was close to the founder of Ahmadiyyat – and her message was always to understand Islam and the scriptures rather than blindly following anything. Ahmadis value education tremendously and most are highly educated and peace loving. I am shocked to see their treatment in Pakistan – ironically, the people in the family who left for the newly created muslim state of Pakistan in 1947 were persecuted for their religious beliefs while my grandmother in India could freely follow her faith all her life…

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By: Whistle http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/28/attacks_in_laho/comment-page-1/#comment-272811 Whistle Sun, 30 May 2010 17:29:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6190#comment-272811 <p><i>what disturbs me most is that majority of the people here don't even care</i></p> <p>Forget about here, no one cares there, <a href="http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/may/30/pak-ministers-skip-ahmedis-funerals.htm">sounds like Ahmadis are the untouchables of Pakistan</a>.</p> what disturbs me most is that majority of the people here don’t even care

Forget about here, no one cares there, sounds like Ahmadis are the untouchables of Pakistan.

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By: Neena http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/28/attacks_in_laho/comment-page-1/#comment-272803 Neena Sun, 30 May 2010 08:42:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6190#comment-272803 <p>So now Taliban are encouraging to kill everyone. They’re becoming quite invincible.</p> <blockquote>PESHAWAR: The Taliban on Saturday claimed responsibility for attacks on Ahmedis’ prayer facilities in Lahore that left over 90 people dead on Friday. “Congratulations to the whole nation on what the brave mujahideen did yesterday in Garhi Shahu and Model Town, Lahore,” Taliban spokesman Muhammad Omar said in a statement. He said, “On the whole, we do like to encourage the nation for increasing such activities, like targeted killings of qadianis, shias, the political parties that support them, as well as law enforcement agencies, the Pakistan Army and other racist parties.” He also warned the Muttahida Qaumi Movement of attacks, calling it a “terrorist wing of qadianis and Jews”. “They are responsible for destruction of the country and the nation. We are encouraging assassination attacks on everyone who is with the MQM,” the Taliban statement said. <a href="http://tinyurl.com/2unr4yy">Source</a></blockquote> So now Taliban are encouraging to kill everyone. They’re becoming quite invincible.

PESHAWAR: The Taliban on Saturday claimed responsibility for attacks on Ahmedis’ prayer facilities in Lahore that left over 90 people dead on Friday. “Congratulations to the whole nation on what the brave mujahideen did yesterday in Garhi Shahu and Model Town, Lahore,” Taliban spokesman Muhammad Omar said in a statement. He said, “On the whole, we do like to encourage the nation for increasing such activities, like targeted killings of qadianis, shias, the political parties that support them, as well as law enforcement agencies, the Pakistan Army and other racist parties.” He also warned the Muttahida Qaumi Movement of attacks, calling it a “terrorist wing of qadianis and Jews”. “They are responsible for destruction of the country and the nation. We are encouraging assassination attacks on everyone who is with the MQM,” the Taliban statement said. Source
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By: Mobeen http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/28/attacks_in_laho/comment-page-1/#comment-272765 Mobeen Sat, 29 May 2010 20:55:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6190#comment-272765 <p>More than nintey Ahmadis have been killed and more than one hundred are injured. Even before this incident several Ahmadis have been killed in Pakistan in teh name of religion.</p> <p>Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has always been working for peace and never supported extremism. This is one of the reasons that they have been declared Non-Muslims by the extremist Parliament of Pakistan. As per law of Pakistan Ahmadis, cannot say themselves Muslims. They are deprived of the basic rights in Pakistan. During the last twenty years several Ahmadis have been killed in the name of religion. Unfortunately despite all these racist acts many governments have been supporting the extremist governments in Pakistan who have flourished Taliban and Qaeeda.</p> <p>The government of Pakistan did not provide the security. Instead there have been programs on media in Pakistan in which the "Mullahs" have been spreading hatred against Ahmadis and inciting people to kill innocent members of this community.</p> <p>The extremists started building up teh momentum few days before the insident happened. You can see the banners in teh streets of Lahore which were installed by teh extremists in coordination with the government in Pakistan. These banners carry slogans against Ahmadiyya community</p> <p><a href="http://twitpic.com/1s3lct">http://twitpic.com/1s3lct</a></p> More than nintey Ahmadis have been killed and more than one hundred are injured. Even before this incident several Ahmadis have been killed in Pakistan in teh name of religion.

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community has always been working for peace and never supported extremism. This is one of the reasons that they have been declared Non-Muslims by the extremist Parliament of Pakistan. As per law of Pakistan Ahmadis, cannot say themselves Muslims. They are deprived of the basic rights in Pakistan. During the last twenty years several Ahmadis have been killed in the name of religion. Unfortunately despite all these racist acts many governments have been supporting the extremist governments in Pakistan who have flourished Taliban and Qaeeda.

The government of Pakistan did not provide the security. Instead there have been programs on media in Pakistan in which the “Mullahs” have been spreading hatred against Ahmadis and inciting people to kill innocent members of this community.

The extremists started building up teh momentum few days before the insident happened. You can see the banners in teh streets of Lahore which were installed by teh extremists in coordination with the government in Pakistan. These banners carry slogans against Ahmadiyya community

http://twitpic.com/1s3lct

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