Comments on: “Isn’t All Crime Hateful?” http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/24/isnt_all_crime/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: RS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/24/isnt_all_crime/comment-page-1/#comment-272994 RS Wed, 02 Jun 2010 21:14:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6182#comment-272994 <p>Sad, disturbing, and unfortunate.</p> <p>But I think we should be careful about pushing the cops/prosecutors to pursue crimes like this as 'hate crimes.' While slapping the term 'hate crime' onto these incidents can be helpful in terms of getting increased media attention, in New York and many states, it can also result in extended prison sentences for those convicted. Sending people to prison for longer periods of time is not the solution, and we as a community must do what we can to make sure that punishment does not replace prevention and education.</p> Sad, disturbing, and unfortunate.

But I think we should be careful about pushing the cops/prosecutors to pursue crimes like this as ‘hate crimes.’ While slapping the term ‘hate crime’ onto these incidents can be helpful in terms of getting increased media attention, in New York and many states, it can also result in extended prison sentences for those convicted. Sending people to prison for longer periods of time is not the solution, and we as a community must do what we can to make sure that punishment does not replace prevention and education.

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By: Emma http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/24/isnt_all_crime/comment-page-1/#comment-272849 Emma Mon, 31 May 2010 07:44:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6182#comment-272849 <p>Wow, this is VERY troublesome! Violence like this is why I'm glad to be out of NYC area. But I have few relatives there, and I DO worry about them. I have heard that Brownsville, Brooklyn is NOT the safest of areas; I've never been there myself. The teenagers involved were most likely black. More violence like this will keep happening (esp. to those who express their religion publicly, have accents, etc.) until the terrorism ends. Also, violence happens b/c of poverty, lack of jobs, and people feeling like they're out of control of their lives. Very, very sad...</p> Wow, this is VERY troublesome! Violence like this is why I’m glad to be out of NYC area. But I have few relatives there, and I DO worry about them. I have heard that Brownsville, Brooklyn is NOT the safest of areas; I’ve never been there myself. The teenagers involved were most likely black. More violence like this will keep happening (esp. to those who express their religion publicly, have accents, etc.) until the terrorism ends. Also, violence happens b/c of poverty, lack of jobs, and people feeling like they’re out of control of their lives. Very, very sad…

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By: melbourne desi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/24/isnt_all_crime/comment-page-1/#comment-272649 melbourne desi Thu, 27 May 2010 04:09:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6182#comment-272649 <p>ut in any interaction with more "vibrant" peoples Desis aren't accorded much sympathy.</p> <p>sadly true. A good percentage of the attackers of the Indian Students in Australia are other immigrants - Lebane / Africans. The Australia government had its head buried in the sand - and still has.</p> ut in any interaction with more “vibrant” peoples Desis aren’t accorded much sympathy.

sadly true. A good percentage of the attackers of the Indian Students in Australia are other immigrants – Lebane / Africans. The Australia government had its head buried in the sand – and still has.

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By: sure http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/24/isnt_all_crime/comment-page-1/#comment-272646 sure Thu, 27 May 2010 01:10:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6182#comment-272646 <p>Oh, I just reread the article and have cracked the code. The reason the media wasn't brought out to a stage full of somber-looking politicians is because the attackers were apparently black (or possibly hispanic). You see, there's an hierarchy here. While everyone is in agreement that straight white christian men are the scum of the earth and irredemably guilty in any interaction they might have with anyone else, Browns aren't all that much higher up on the totem pole. Feted and patronized sure, but in any interaction with more "vibrant" peoples Desis aren't accorded much sympathy. (If only this had happened in the suburbs!)</p> Oh, I just reread the article and have cracked the code. The reason the media wasn’t brought out to a stage full of somber-looking politicians is because the attackers were apparently black (or possibly hispanic). You see, there’s an hierarchy here. While everyone is in agreement that straight white christian men are the scum of the earth and irredemably guilty in any interaction they might have with anyone else, Browns aren’t all that much higher up on the totem pole. Feted and patronized sure, but in any interaction with more “vibrant” peoples Desis aren’t accorded much sympathy. (If only this had happened in the suburbs!)

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By: sure http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/24/isnt_all_crime/comment-page-1/#comment-272645 sure Thu, 27 May 2010 01:04:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6182#comment-272645 <p>It surprises me to see the article and comments move in a different direction from the title. The problem with "hate crimes" is that they move resources from one place to another based on some kind of triage that makes no logical sense. When black kids attack a white guy minding his own business that's not considered a hate crime and is therefore not taken nearly as seriously as the exceedingly rare occasion where the reverse occurs.</p> <p>There's no question that the pendulum needed to swing towards bias in favor of the minority but it's swung so far that the gravitational force is bound to lead to a backlash. Beating people up is a horrific thing, whatever its reason and in a fair country all such cases should be treated the same.</p> It surprises me to see the article and comments move in a different direction from the title. The problem with “hate crimes” is that they move resources from one place to another based on some kind of triage that makes no logical sense. When black kids attack a white guy minding his own business that’s not considered a hate crime and is therefore not taken nearly as seriously as the exceedingly rare occasion where the reverse occurs.

There’s no question that the pendulum needed to swing towards bias in favor of the minority but it’s swung so far that the gravitational force is bound to lead to a backlash. Beating people up is a horrific thing, whatever its reason and in a fair country all such cases should be treated the same.

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By: Zachary Latif http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/24/isnt_all_crime/comment-page-1/#comment-272636 Zachary Latif Wed, 26 May 2010 17:50:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6182#comment-272636 <p>shocking - the human capacity to hate the "other" is always there. its an evolutionary instinct gone wrong..</p> shocking – the human capacity to hate the “other” is always there. its an evolutionary instinct gone wrong..

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By: Wanderer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/24/isnt_all_crime/comment-page-1/#comment-272603 Wanderer Wed, 26 May 2010 01:04:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6182#comment-272603 <p>Disgusting, a distant relative of mine in Coventry has recently been hospitalised by having a car driven into his legs, because he is brown..</p> <p>These cases are isolated but always there. Even if we are born in the west, we must never forget, that as long as our skins are brown, our religions and customs different, the worst in the indiginous, will always see us as the alien...that said, I can buy that disgusting arguement from a Brit, but in the USA unless you are amerindian, all are from somewhere else, so all have equal rights..I have just been reading Maggie Gee's The White Family, in which it is clear that the least educated of the white population will always blame the Nigger or Paki for their own shortcomings...</p> <p>9/11 is so seeped in US that this is going to happen again and again, especially of you are a Muslim</p> Disgusting, a distant relative of mine in Coventry has recently been hospitalised by having a car driven into his legs, because he is brown..

These cases are isolated but always there. Even if we are born in the west, we must never forget, that as long as our skins are brown, our religions and customs different, the worst in the indiginous, will always see us as the alien…that said, I can buy that disgusting arguement from a Brit, but in the USA unless you are amerindian, all are from somewhere else, so all have equal rights..I have just been reading Maggie Gee’s The White Family, in which it is clear that the least educated of the white population will always blame the Nigger or Paki for their own shortcomings…

9/11 is so seeped in US that this is going to happen again and again, especially of you are a Muslim

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By: Darth Paul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/24/isnt_all_crime/comment-page-1/#comment-272543 Darth Paul Tue, 25 May 2010 16:30:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6182#comment-272543 <p>What are his union affiliations, if any? No doubt religious bigotry was at work, but I know construction in NYC can get BRUTAL if you're not part of or hiring the right local unions.</p> What are his union affiliations, if any? No doubt religious bigotry was at work, but I know construction in NYC can get BRUTAL if you’re not part of or hiring the right local unions.

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By: Anonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/24/isnt_all_crime/comment-page-1/#comment-272535 Anonymous Tue, 25 May 2010 15:20:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6182#comment-272535 <p>@jyotsana</p> <p>I am surprised you have not used this case to wonder why Indian Christians, Indian Muslims, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have not spoken out to defend your fellow co-religionists.</p> @jyotsana

I am surprised you have not used this case to wonder why Indian Christians, Indian Muslims, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis have not spoken out to defend your fellow co-religionists.

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/24/isnt_all_crime/comment-page-1/#comment-272532 jyotsana Tue, 25 May 2010 14:29:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6182#comment-272532 <p>All crime is hateful. But hate crime law helps in providing a funded mandate to pursue difficult cases like these that would otherwise stretch the resources of underfunded or small police districts. NYC is neither, but even then hate crimes law ensures that extraordinary resources are available to prosecute aggressively.</p> All crime is hateful. But hate crime law helps in providing a funded mandate to pursue difficult cases like these that would otherwise stretch the resources of underfunded or small police districts. NYC is neither, but even then hate crimes law ensures that extraordinary resources are available to prosecute aggressively.

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