Comments on: Dubai Can Bite Me, Ctd http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/10/dubai_can_bite/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Yajnavalkya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/10/dubai_can_bite/comment-page-1/#comment-271755 Yajnavalkya Tue, 11 May 2010 11:20:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6157#comment-271755 <blockquote>failed state It will run out of ammunition within weeks.</blockquote> <p>I'm sorry, I think you have India confused with a certain country to its northwest. See 1965 War and, well, now....</p> failed state It will run out of ammunition within weeks.

I’m sorry, I think you have India confused with a certain country to its northwest. See 1965 War and, well, now….

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By: Arjuna http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/10/dubai_can_bite/comment-page-1/#comment-271754 Arjuna Tue, 11 May 2010 08:30:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6157#comment-271754 <blockquote>Being Pushtun, my people have tons of backward customs. </blockquote> <p>Perhaps the worst of your pashtun customs is the rampant bachabazi (pederasty) that pashtun men are notorious for. Also the culture of violent revenge.</p> <blockquote>But to a Muslim, the treatment of Hindu widows living a life of deprivation in a ashram is appalling. As a Muslm watching Mira Nair's Water, I was bothered by the fate of India's Hindu widows. In Islam, Muslim men are encouraged to marry widows.</blockquote> <p>It used to be far worse. Hindu widows were often burned alive a practice that the british rulers of India finally outlawed over the strenous objections of orthodox brahmins who called it an interference in their religious customs!</p> Being Pushtun, my people have tons of backward customs.

Perhaps the worst of your pashtun customs is the rampant bachabazi (pederasty) that pashtun men are notorious for. Also the culture of violent revenge.

But to a Muslim, the treatment of Hindu widows living a life of deprivation in a ashram is appalling. As a Muslm watching Mira Nair’s Water, I was bothered by the fate of India’s Hindu widows. In Islam, Muslim men are encouraged to marry widows.

It used to be far worse. Hindu widows were often burned alive a practice that the british rulers of India finally outlawed over the strenous objections of orthodox brahmins who called it an interference in their religious customs!

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By: Arjuna http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/10/dubai_can_bite/comment-page-1/#comment-271753 Arjuna Tue, 11 May 2010 08:24:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6157#comment-271753 <blockquote>If USA can take Afghanistan, why can't India take UAE? They are weak and decadent, protected only by mercenaries who won't fight hard. India has strike aircraft and transport aircraft that can reach UAE easily. Did you know that? Much stronger navy, many more tanks. We are no longer little poor people onlee.</blockquote> <p>Looks like Shilpa is another one of those pathetically deluded, megalomaniacal hindutva lunatics who are stupid and ignorant enough to actually believe that India is a "shining", "incredible", "superpower" already instead of a a failed state that cannot even feed its citizens properly or provide halfway decent jobs for even its educated minority.</p> <p>FYI, India is both militarily and economically a weakling. It produces very little of its own armaments. It will run out of ammunition within weeks. It is not even the predominant power in the indian subcontinent and you BJP/RSS crackpots keep getting off on delusions of imperial grandeur! Get real.</p> <p>FYI</p> If USA can take Afghanistan, why can’t India take UAE? They are weak and decadent, protected only by mercenaries who won’t fight hard. India has strike aircraft and transport aircraft that can reach UAE easily. Did you know that? Much stronger navy, many more tanks. We are no longer little poor people onlee.

Looks like Shilpa is another one of those pathetically deluded, megalomaniacal hindutva lunatics who are stupid and ignorant enough to actually believe that India is a “shining”, “incredible”, “superpower” already instead of a a failed state that cannot even feed its citizens properly or provide halfway decent jobs for even its educated minority.

FYI, India is both militarily and economically a weakling. It produces very little of its own armaments. It will run out of ammunition within weeks. It is not even the predominant power in the indian subcontinent and you BJP/RSS crackpots keep getting off on delusions of imperial grandeur! Get real.

FYI

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By: Mustafa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/10/dubai_can_bite/comment-page-1/#comment-271752 Mustafa Tue, 11 May 2010 08:11:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6157#comment-271752 <p>Both India and the UAE have backwards customs. Being Pushtun, my people have tons of backward customs. But to a Muslim, the treatment of Hindu widows living a life of deprivation in a ashram is appalling. As a Muslm watching Mira Nair's Water, I was bothered by the fate of India's Hindu widows. In Islam, Muslim men are encouraged to marry widows. Pakistanifemale prisoners are frequently victims of sexual violence in the hands of law enforcement officers. So countries on the subcontinent have some pretty crappy forms of social oppression.</p> Both India and the UAE have backwards customs. Being Pushtun, my people have tons of backward customs. But to a Muslim, the treatment of Hindu widows living a life of deprivation in a ashram is appalling. As a Muslm watching Mira Nair’s Water, I was bothered by the fate of India’s Hindu widows. In Islam, Muslim men are encouraged to marry widows. Pakistanifemale prisoners are frequently victims of sexual violence in the hands of law enforcement officers. So countries on the subcontinent have some pretty crappy forms of social oppression.

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By: Mustafa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/10/dubai_can_bite/comment-page-1/#comment-271751 Mustafa Tue, 11 May 2010 07:58:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6157#comment-271751 <p>@ ShallowThinker,</p> <p>I am not "Arab Washed.". My family speaks Farsi and Pashto. Being Pashtun, I don't consider myself Pakistani or Desi. My family practices Twelver Shia Islam and celebrates Noruz and other Persian holidays like Yalda and Mehregan. Being Pushtun, we affinity to our Muslim brothers, but we have no desire to be Arabs.</p> @ ShallowThinker,

I am not “Arab Washed.”. My family speaks Farsi and Pashto. Being Pashtun, I don’t consider myself Pakistani or Desi. My family practices Twelver Shia Islam and celebrates Noruz and other Persian holidays like Yalda and Mehregan. Being Pushtun, we affinity to our Muslim brothers, but we have no desire to be Arabs.

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By: Anonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/10/dubai_can_bite/comment-page-1/#comment-271750 Anonymous Tue, 11 May 2010 07:49:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6157#comment-271750 <p>@jyotsana on May 10, 2010 6:02 PM · Direct link</p> <p>How come MF Hussain who whines about his creative freedom turned into a toady of the sundry Emirs, and not once bothered to paint or sketch even a postcard in honor of these many 1000 guestworkers and their toil</p> <p>Why only the guestworkers in Dubai? Why not extend this to the current condition of Dalits in India and Northern Indians in Mumbai and Delhi? Perhaps then, he could examine bigotry within his own people which would even amaze Arabs.</p> @jyotsana on May 10, 2010 6:02 PM · Direct link

How come MF Hussain who whines about his creative freedom turned into a toady of the sundry Emirs, and not once bothered to paint or sketch even a postcard in honor of these many 1000 guestworkers and their toil

Why only the guestworkers in Dubai? Why not extend this to the current condition of Dalits in India and Northern Indians in Mumbai and Delhi? Perhaps then, he could examine bigotry within his own people which would even amaze Arabs.

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By: Mustafa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/10/dubai_can_bite/comment-page-1/#comment-271748 Mustafa Tue, 11 May 2010 07:41:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6157#comment-271748 <p>Shilpa,</p> <p>No offense, I love India, but Islamabad is a cleaner city than most Indian cities. Now the city is a living prison.</p> <p>India has dirty slums. But slums in the Arabian peninsula are clean and orderly in appearance. India may be an emerging power, but India needs to eradicate poverty before it can close the gap with other emerging nations. The Middle East has poverty, but the slums there are much nicer than the ones in South Asia.</p> Shilpa,

No offense, I love India, but Islamabad is a cleaner city than most Indian cities. Now the city is a living prison.

India has dirty slums. But slums in the Arabian peninsula are clean and orderly in appearance. India may be an emerging power, but India needs to eradicate poverty before it can close the gap with other emerging nations. The Middle East has poverty, but the slums there are much nicer than the ones in South Asia.

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By: Mustafa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/10/dubai_can_bite/comment-page-1/#comment-271747 Mustafa Tue, 11 May 2010 07:33:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6157#comment-271747 <p>Many affluent Muslim Desis have made the Gulf Arab countries home. However, these professionals don't seem bothered by their "low caste" copatriots who endure discrimination. I was eating at a restaurant once, and was disgusted by this Muslim Desi family's treatment of their domestic servant. She sat alone separate from the family, given only scraps from the plate of a fat woman in a snug shalwar kameez.</p> <p>I went up to them and admonished their "un-Islamic demeanor.". They were astounded by my "ugly American" demeanor. I created a scene. Being in the Gulf Arab states, people assumed I was an Arab. The local police were summoned, they asked what the ruckus was about. I was cited.</p> <p>However, Desi Muslims can be as dispicable as some of the local Arabs. I turned heads fraternizing with female women, Desi Muslim women wearing their dupattas on the shoulder as oppose to having it on their heads.</p> Many affluent Muslim Desis have made the Gulf Arab countries home. However, these professionals don’t seem bothered by their “low caste” copatriots who endure discrimination. I was eating at a restaurant once, and was disgusted by this Muslim Desi family’s treatment of their domestic servant. She sat alone separate from the family, given only scraps from the plate of a fat woman in a snug shalwar kameez.

I went up to them and admonished their “un-Islamic demeanor.”. They were astounded by my “ugly American” demeanor. I created a scene. Being in the Gulf Arab states, people assumed I was an Arab. The local police were summoned, they asked what the ruckus was about. I was cited.

However, Desi Muslims can be as dispicable as some of the local Arabs. I turned heads fraternizing with female women, Desi Muslim women wearing their dupattas on the shoulder as oppose to having it on their heads.

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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/10/dubai_can_bite/comment-page-1/#comment-271745 razib Tue, 11 May 2010 06:11:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6157#comment-271745 <p>nitin, do these data you offer surprise people? i mean, saudi arabia is a nation which officially banned slavery in 1960 thanks to a campaign of protests (though there are some anecdotal reports of slaves being transacted as late as the 1970s). yeah, they're a primitive and barbaric folk whose neo-medieval lifestyle is subsidized by oil money. even other muslims agree to this.* so what's the point? as long as they have oil, and we run on the fossil fuels, they get the luxury of being barbarians (i think their legal liabilities placed against women and non-muslims crosses the threshold to savagery, but it doesn't seem like world consensus agrees with me).</p> <ul> <li>saudi arabia treats its shia minority like america used to treat its blacks, while there's been a decades long campaign of expunging all the old historic turkish era architecture from the holy cities.</li> </ul> nitin, do these data you offer surprise people? i mean, saudi arabia is a nation which officially banned slavery in 1960 thanks to a campaign of protests (though there are some anecdotal reports of slaves being transacted as late as the 1970s). yeah, they’re a primitive and barbaric folk whose neo-medieval lifestyle is subsidized by oil money. even other muslims agree to this.* so what’s the point? as long as they have oil, and we run on the fossil fuels, they get the luxury of being barbarians (i think their legal liabilities placed against women and non-muslims crosses the threshold to savagery, but it doesn’t seem like world consensus agrees with me).

  • saudi arabia treats its shia minority like america used to treat its blacks, while there’s been a decades long campaign of expunging all the old historic turkish era architecture from the holy cities.
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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/10/dubai_can_bite/comment-page-1/#comment-271744 razib Tue, 11 May 2010 06:06:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6157#comment-271744 <p><i> India, they will instead worry about how India is next going to "prick" them?</i></p> <p>invading the world has worked out really well for the USofA let me tell you! (that's sarcasm btw)</p> <p><i> As POC, it would serve us well to be as critical of Western coverage of all non-Western countries as we are when India is concerned.</i></p> <p>who is this <i><b>we</b></i> you speak of? :-) in any case, the whole idea of "POC" is totally eurocentric. arabs don't have solidarity with brownz against white europeans as POC because many arabs view themselves as white (rightly to my eye). many east asians also view themselves as white (if of a different kind), and far prefer white europeans to the darker races (whether malay, indian or black african).* there's some psychological evidence that colored people in the west tend to have some solidarity because view themselves as subject to white racism. but it's ridiculous to assume that this is operative in societies where white europeans don't have hegemony.</p> <ul> <li>when large numbers of african slaves showed up in ming china in the 16th century (brought by europeans) they were referred to as "kunlun slaves," indicating that they were from beyond the kunlun mountains. what was beyond the kunlun mountains? india of course, were there were black people.</li> </ul> India, they will instead worry about how India is next going to “prick” them?

invading the world has worked out really well for the USofA let me tell you! (that’s sarcasm btw)

As POC, it would serve us well to be as critical of Western coverage of all non-Western countries as we are when India is concerned.

who is this we you speak of? :-) in any case, the whole idea of “POC” is totally eurocentric. arabs don’t have solidarity with brownz against white europeans as POC because many arabs view themselves as white (rightly to my eye). many east asians also view themselves as white (if of a different kind), and far prefer white europeans to the darker races (whether malay, indian or black african).* there’s some psychological evidence that colored people in the west tend to have some solidarity because view themselves as subject to white racism. but it’s ridiculous to assume that this is operative in societies where white europeans don’t have hegemony.

  • when large numbers of african slaves showed up in ming china in the 16th century (brought by europeans) they were referred to as “kunlun slaves,” indicating that they were from beyond the kunlun mountains. what was beyond the kunlun mountains? india of course, were there were black people.
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