Comments on: In Britain, the Ethnic Hostility is a Tad Less Subtle… http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/06/in_britain_the/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: JB http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/06/in_britain_the/comment-page-2/#comment-272188 JB Wed, 19 May 2010 16:11:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6155#comment-272188 <p>For the desi boys in the video: please learn how to fight! If you're going to act like a badboy, then at least be one. This was embarrasing.</p> For the desi boys in the video: please learn how to fight! If you’re going to act like a badboy, then at least be one. This was embarrasing.

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By: metal mickey http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/06/in_britain_the/comment-page-2/#comment-272044 metal mickey Mon, 17 May 2010 14:15:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6155#comment-272044 <p>In other words, do you have any proof at all that Americans are more uncomfortable with race divisions than the Brits? Or is that also very rude of me to ask?</p> <p>To me, it seems on the other hand very racist to ask people to fill in their race on every damn form just as in the USA. What purpose does this exactly serve, that institutions of all sorts need to know whether one is Indian, African-American, Native, or otherwise? This does not exist in Britain, or mainland Europe. I'm quite sure it has to do with WWII, when the Nazis could just pick off the government registrations who is Jew and who is not! This phenomenon (recording race) is definitely something that many Europeans are uncomfortable with. Make of that what you will.</p> In other words, do you have any proof at all that Americans are more uncomfortable with race divisions than the Brits? Or is that also very rude of me to ask?

To me, it seems on the other hand very racist to ask people to fill in their race on every damn form just as in the USA. What purpose does this exactly serve, that institutions of all sorts need to know whether one is Indian, African-American, Native, or otherwise? This does not exist in Britain, or mainland Europe. I’m quite sure it has to do with WWII, when the Nazis could just pick off the government registrations who is Jew and who is not! This phenomenon (recording race) is definitely something that many Europeans are uncomfortable with. Make of that what you will.

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By: metal mickey http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/06/in_britain_the/comment-page-2/#comment-272043 metal mickey Mon, 17 May 2010 14:08:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6155#comment-272043 <p>I'm sorry, what was your 'point' again? I'm afraid it got lost in the barrage of baseless assumptions in both your posts. Do you have any facts, other than generalisations about 'class divisions' and all? If challenging your offensive assumptions makes me rude, so be it. But it shows you don't belong on the internet.</p> I’m sorry, what was your ‘point’ again? I’m afraid it got lost in the barrage of baseless assumptions in both your posts. Do you have any facts, other than generalisations about ‘class divisions’ and all? If challenging your offensive assumptions makes me rude, so be it. But it shows you don’t belong on the internet.

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By: Person http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/06/in_britain_the/comment-page-2/#comment-272041 Person Mon, 17 May 2010 13:19:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6155#comment-272041 <p>Um, mickey, I don't wish to lecture you on anything, including your rudeness. You haven't really argued any of the points I was making, and I'm not willing to engage in debate with a troll who goes LMAO, and AHAHAHA. Have a nice day.</p> Um, mickey, I don’t wish to lecture you on anything, including your rudeness. You haven’t really argued any of the points I was making, and I’m not willing to engage in debate with a troll who goes LMAO, and AHAHAHA. Have a nice day.

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By: metal mickey http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/06/in_britain_the/comment-page-2/#comment-272038 metal mickey Mon, 17 May 2010 10:55:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6155#comment-272038 <p>I want to make my point clearer, it is totally pointless to point fingers at different Western countries over who is more racist or not. Rather that energy should be put into combatting racial prejudice in one's own country. From an outsider's POV, there is enough of that to go around in the USA.</p> I want to make my point clearer, it is totally pointless to point fingers at different Western countries over who is more racist or not. Rather that energy should be put into combatting racial prejudice in one’s own country. From an outsider’s POV, there is enough of that to go around in the USA.

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By: metal mickey http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/06/in_britain_the/comment-page-2/#comment-272037 metal mickey Mon, 17 May 2010 10:48:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6155#comment-272037 <p>LMAO, you think that Germany doesn't have a constitution, or what? And, um, don't lecture me on what it's like to live in Western Europe, OK? Do you base your comments on fact, or prejudice?</p> LMAO, you think that Germany doesn’t have a constitution, or what? And, um, don’t lecture me on what it’s like to live in Western Europe, OK? Do you base your comments on fact, or prejudice?

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By: Person http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/06/in_britain_the/comment-page-2/#comment-272001 Person Sat, 15 May 2010 18:33:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6155#comment-272001 <p>metal mickey, let's be clear on this. I didn't say the USA was perfect. In fact, I had a harrowing experience (that got me close to tears) at the immigration line coming back in to the US just four days ago. I'm brown, but it would be exceedingly hard to pin this down on race. I'm a petite woman who showed annoyance at the immigration officer's (young Italian American guy, perfectly charming at first) ridiculous line of questioning (why was I traveling alone, was I single?), and that set him off. Testosterone, sigh.</p> <p>My thesis is simply this. Americans tend to be more uncomfortable with class or race divisions than Brits. Argue that point if you care to. As you well know, public opinion doesn't favor the AZ law. But much as I despise the AZ law, you'll have to admit it's a huge stretch for you to claim that the law 'legalizes racial profiling'. A very Palinesque comparison.</p> <p>Racial profiling has shaky legal ground in the US and can be contested in court, but try seeking legal recourse in Germany if you're Arab and have a hard time renting a place. Or seeking recourse as a Nigerian living in India who keeps getting hauled off to the cops on suspicions of drug smuggling. So yeah, the USA is far from perfect, but it's a hell of a lot fairer than most other places.</p> <p>So no, I am not f'ing kidding you.</p> metal mickey, let’s be clear on this. I didn’t say the USA was perfect. In fact, I had a harrowing experience (that got me close to tears) at the immigration line coming back in to the US just four days ago. I’m brown, but it would be exceedingly hard to pin this down on race. I’m a petite woman who showed annoyance at the immigration officer’s (young Italian American guy, perfectly charming at first) ridiculous line of questioning (why was I traveling alone, was I single?), and that set him off. Testosterone, sigh.

My thesis is simply this. Americans tend to be more uncomfortable with class or race divisions than Brits. Argue that point if you care to. As you well know, public opinion doesn’t favor the AZ law. But much as I despise the AZ law, you’ll have to admit it’s a huge stretch for you to claim that the law ‘legalizes racial profiling’. A very Palinesque comparison.

Racial profiling has shaky legal ground in the US and can be contested in court, but try seeking legal recourse in Germany if you’re Arab and have a hard time renting a place. Or seeking recourse as a Nigerian living in India who keeps getting hauled off to the cops on suspicions of drug smuggling. So yeah, the USA is far from perfect, but it’s a hell of a lot fairer than most other places.

So no, I am not f’ing kidding you.

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By: generalize http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/06/in_britain_the/comment-page-2/#comment-271999 generalize Sat, 15 May 2010 17:36:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6155#comment-271999 <p>I think I get the point of the above, but it is also a generalization. Desi relations between punjabis is everywhere complicated.</p> I think I get the point of the above, but it is also a generalization. Desi relations between punjabis is everywhere complicated.

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By: Preston http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/06/in_britain_the/comment-page-2/#comment-271984 Preston Fri, 14 May 2010 23:01:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6155#comment-271984 <p>In Gautam Malkani's novel Londonstani, one character, Hardjit, says this while beating up a white boy who called him a Paki --</p> <p>"A Paki is someone who comes from Pakistan. Us bredrens who don't come from Pakistan can still b call'd Paki by other bredrens if it means we can call dem Paki in return. But u people ain't allow'd 2 join in, u get me?"</p> <p>But the novel's narrator clarifies --</p> <p>"All a this sh*t was just academic a course. Firstly, Hardjit's thesis, though it was what Mr Asherwood'd call internally coherent, failed to recognise the universality a the word Nigga compared with the word Paki. De-poncified, this means many Hindus an Sikhs'd spit blood if they ever got linked to anything to do with Pakistan. Indians are just too racists to use the word Paki."</p> In Gautam Malkani’s novel Londonstani, one character, Hardjit, says this while beating up a white boy who called him a Paki –

“A Paki is someone who comes from Pakistan. Us bredrens who don’t come from Pakistan can still b call’d Paki by other bredrens if it means we can call dem Paki in return. But u people ain’t allow’d 2 join in, u get me?”

But the novel’s narrator clarifies –

“All a this sh*t was just academic a course. Firstly, Hardjit’s thesis, though it was what Mr Asherwood’d call internally coherent, failed to recognise the universality a the word Nigga compared with the word Paki. De-poncified, this means many Hindus an Sikhs’d spit blood if they ever got linked to anything to do with Pakistan. Indians are just too racists to use the word Paki.”

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By: Contemplationist http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/06/in_britain_the/comment-page-2/#comment-271954 Contemplationist Fri, 14 May 2010 04:50:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6155#comment-271954 <p>Actually the last thing the Indian immigrants in Uk should do is try to 'reclaim' "paki" Stats show that indian immigrants do vastly better in almost all areas than pakistani and bangladeshi immigrants. So ethnic equalization is simply a way for pakistanis to shore up their reputation and bring down the indians'.</p> Actually the last thing the Indian immigrants in Uk should do is try to ‘reclaim’ “paki” Stats show that indian immigrants do vastly better in almost all areas than pakistani and bangladeshi immigrants. So ethnic equalization is simply a way for pakistanis to shore up their reputation and bring down the indians’.

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