Comments on: A Pakistani man of U.S. citizenship? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/04/a_pakistani_man/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/04/a_pakistani_man/comment-page-1/#comment-274546 Sameer Sun, 27 Jun 2010 13:48:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6151#comment-274546 <p>Pakistan Punjab government funding terrorist groups:</p> <p>"<a href="http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\06\26\story_26-6-2010_pg3_3">Punjab government funding Jamaat-ud-Dawa</a> —Naeem Tahir</p> <p>The United Nations Security Council imposed sanctions on JuD, declaring it a global terrorist group. Pakistan’s government also banned the JuD on the same day and issued an order to seal the JuD offices in all four provinces</p> <p>The chief minister of Punjab has allocated funds of Rs 86 million to the suspected terror nursery of Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) in Muridke, defying the ban on the organisation by the federal government. The JuD is alleged to have been involved in the Mumbai attacks. What message will be delivered to India at a time when peace is being talked about?...Funds to the JuD of Muridke are being provided by the CM of the largest province in the federation, while the amir of JuD is also the founder of Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT). According to media reports, the JuD and LeT have been accused by the US of training the gunmen of the November 2008 Mumbai attacks...." http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\06\26\story_26-6-2010_pg3_3</p> <p>The support for terrorist organizations runs to the highest levels. They are seen as a useful proxy military force against Afghanistan and India.</p> Pakistan Punjab government funding terrorist groups:

Punjab government funding Jamaat-ud-Dawa —Naeem Tahir

The United Nations Security Council imposed sanctions on JuD, declaring it a global terrorist group. Pakistan’s government also banned the JuD on the same day and issued an order to seal the JuD offices in all four provinces

The chief minister of Punjab has allocated funds of Rs 86 million to the suspected terror nursery of Jamaat-ud-Dawa (JuD) in Muridke, defying the ban on the organisation by the federal government. The JuD is alleged to have been involved in the Mumbai attacks. What message will be delivered to India at a time when peace is being talked about?…Funds to the JuD of Muridke are being provided by the CM of the largest province in the federation, while the amir of JuD is also the founder of Lashkar-e-Tayyaba (LeT). According to media reports, the JuD and LeT have been accused by the US of training the gunmen of the November 2008 Mumbai attacks….” http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2010\06\26\story_26-6-2010_pg3_3

The support for terrorist organizations runs to the highest levels. They are seen as a useful proxy military force against Afghanistan and India.

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By: Ian http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/04/a_pakistani_man/comment-page-1/#comment-271563 Ian Fri, 07 May 2010 03:54:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6151#comment-271563 <p>Oh my. That Fox quote is EPIC. Hammer it in, yeah?</p> Oh my. That Fox quote is EPIC. Hammer it in, yeah?

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By: suede http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/04/a_pakistani_man/comment-page-1/#comment-271482 suede Thu, 06 May 2010 09:15:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6151#comment-271482 <p>Apparently, the man who alerted the police is a muslim immigrant.</p> <p>http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/05/senagalese-muslim-vendor/</p> Apparently, the man who alerted the police is a muslim immigrant.

http://thinkprogress.org/2010/05/05/senagalese-muslim-vendor/

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By: Dual http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/04/a_pakistani_man/comment-page-1/#comment-271471 Dual Thu, 06 May 2010 04:51:08 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6151#comment-271471 <p>I liked the post, especially the research that went into it.</p> <p>Just thought I'd mention, allthough I don't know if it directly applies to this case, that it is possible to have <a href="http://islamabad.usembassy.gov/pakistan/cs_info_faqs.html">US-Pakistani dual citizenship</a>. (not the case, for example, with India, in anywhere close to the same way).</p> <p>I don't know if the news outlets linked considered this in the least in the way they framed the story.</p> I liked the post, especially the research that went into it.

Just thought I’d mention, allthough I don’t know if it directly applies to this case, that it is possible to have US-Pakistani dual citizenship. (not the case, for example, with India, in anywhere close to the same way).

I don’t know if the news outlets linked considered this in the least in the way they framed the story.

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By: nyx http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/04/a_pakistani_man/comment-page-1/#comment-271467 nyx Thu, 06 May 2010 04:10:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6151#comment-271467 <p>The New York Times</p> <blockquote> Officials said that after two days of intense questioning of the bombing suspect, Faisal Shahzad, evidence was mounting that the group, the Pakistani Taliban, had helped inspire and train Mr. Shahzad in the months before he is alleged to have parked an explosives-filled sport utility vehicle in a busy Manhattan intersection on Saturday night. Officials said Mr. Shahzad had discussed his contacts with the group, and investigators had accumulated other evidence that they would not disclose. .... American officials said it had become increasingly difficult to separate the operations of the militant groups in Pakistan’s tribal areas. The region, they said, has become a stew of like-minded organizations plotting attacks in Pakistani cities, across the border into Afghanistan, and on targets in Western Europe and the United States. Besides the Pakistani Taliban and Al Qaeda, groups operating in the tribal areas are the Haqqani Network and the Kashmiri groups Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Muhammad. </blockquote> The New York Times

Officials said that after two days of intense questioning of the bombing suspect, Faisal Shahzad, evidence was mounting that the group, the Pakistani Taliban, had helped inspire and train Mr. Shahzad in the months before he is alleged to have parked an explosives-filled sport utility vehicle in a busy Manhattan intersection on Saturday night. Officials said Mr. Shahzad had discussed his contacts with the group, and investigators had accumulated other evidence that they would not disclose. …. American officials said it had become increasingly difficult to separate the operations of the militant groups in Pakistan’s tribal areas. The region, they said, has become a stew of like-minded organizations plotting attacks in Pakistani cities, across the border into Afghanistan, and on targets in Western Europe and the United States. Besides the Pakistani Taliban and Al Qaeda, groups operating in the tribal areas are the Haqqani Network and the Kashmiri groups Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaish-e-Muhammad.
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By: Shilpa http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/04/a_pakistani_man/comment-page-1/#comment-271466 Shilpa Thu, 06 May 2010 04:09:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6151#comment-271466 <blockquote>News flash: if you try to promote your religion, lifestyle, or opinions with the use of terror tactics, you are a terrorist. Working solo or with a group, doesn't matter.</blockquote> <p>Yes, it's not that Austin guy is not a terrorist, it's that he's less of a problem, b/c a "one off."</p> <blockquote> The media is happy to feed into the outrage over the "Pakistani who put one over on the government, got his citizenship and tried to blow us up" but does not deal out the same swift condemnation of homegrown terrorists. This whole episode has made me very uneasy, and it is way less about "being terrorized" than seeing how this is getting set up as a US vs. Islam sort of thing. That's a very dangerous road to travel. </blockquote> <p>This is way too broad. You're right, it's not US v. Islam. That would be absurd. It's US/India vs. Taliban/ISI/Pakistan military/Qaeda. Nobody is saying US should invade Indonesia or Morocco, right?</p> News flash: if you try to promote your religion, lifestyle, or opinions with the use of terror tactics, you are a terrorist. Working solo or with a group, doesn’t matter.

Yes, it’s not that Austin guy is not a terrorist, it’s that he’s less of a problem, b/c a “one off.”

The media is happy to feed into the outrage over the “Pakistani who put one over on the government, got his citizenship and tried to blow us up” but does not deal out the same swift condemnation of homegrown terrorists. This whole episode has made me very uneasy, and it is way less about “being terrorized” than seeing how this is getting set up as a US vs. Islam sort of thing. That’s a very dangerous road to travel.

This is way too broad. You’re right, it’s not US v. Islam. That would be absurd. It’s US/India vs. Taliban/ISI/Pakistan military/Qaeda. Nobody is saying US should invade Indonesia or Morocco, right?

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By: suede http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/04/a_pakistani_man/comment-page-1/#comment-271465 suede Thu, 06 May 2010 03:59:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6151#comment-271465 <p>Nice observation. I'm amazed that you didnt find any headlines with MUSLIM / ISLAMIC instead of pakistani. Atleast the liberal media is not religiously-racist.</p> Nice observation. I’m amazed that you didnt find any headlines with MUSLIM / ISLAMIC instead of pakistani. Atleast the liberal media is not religiously-racist.

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By: nyx http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/04/a_pakistani_man/comment-page-1/#comment-271464 nyx Thu, 06 May 2010 03:43:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6151#comment-271464 <blockquote>Has it been confirmed that this guy is actually part of a "terrorist network" yet? Or did he just go home to visit family, talk to a bunch of relatives with anti-American sentiments and/or see drone attacks perpetrated by the US (as has been said in a couple of places), get pissed, and come back with a mission?</blockquote> <p>From TIME</p> <blockquote> A Pakistani government source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told TIME on Tuesday that the suspect had had ties with militants while in Pakistan. "He was here at a training camp," the source said. The legal complaint against Shahzad, which charged him with terrorism and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction, said he admitted to receiving bombmaking training in Waziristan, the lawless tribal region where the Pakistani Taliban operates with near impunity.</blockquote> <p>He's part of the one of the organizations of the Pakistani Taliban. And even if he was pissed at the drones (which he says he was because it killed Taliban leaders! note - not civilians), that does not give him any justification whatsoever to attack the country that he has been given citizenship and on top of that, try to attack innocent civilians!</p> Has it been confirmed that this guy is actually part of a “terrorist network” yet? Or did he just go home to visit family, talk to a bunch of relatives with anti-American sentiments and/or see drone attacks perpetrated by the US (as has been said in a couple of places), get pissed, and come back with a mission?

From TIME

A Pakistani government source, speaking on condition of anonymity, told TIME on Tuesday that the suspect had had ties with militants while in Pakistan. “He was here at a training camp,” the source said. The legal complaint against Shahzad, which charged him with terrorism and attempting to use a weapon of mass destruction, said he admitted to receiving bombmaking training in Waziristan, the lawless tribal region where the Pakistani Taliban operates with near impunity.

He’s part of the one of the organizations of the Pakistani Taliban. And even if he was pissed at the drones (which he says he was because it killed Taliban leaders! note – not civilians), that does not give him any justification whatsoever to attack the country that he has been given citizenship and on top of that, try to attack innocent civilians!

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By: triliana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/04/a_pakistani_man/comment-page-1/#comment-271462 triliana Thu, 06 May 2010 03:13:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6151#comment-271462 <p>Has it been confirmed that this guy is actually part of a "terrorist network" yet? Or did he just go home to visit family, talk to a bunch of relatives with anti-American sentiments and/or see drone attacks perpetrated by the US (as has been said in a couple of places), get pissed, and come back with a mission?</p> <p>Seems like he learned his bomb-making skills from old episodes of Looney Toones, not LeT or some other more organized group.</p> <p>And if being part of an organization is what makes you a terrorist, then I guess the Unabomber wasn't a terrorist either. Or Timothy McVeigh. News flash: if you try to promote your religion, lifestyle, or opinions with the use of terror tactics, you are a terrorist. Working solo or with a group, doesn't matter.</p> <p>The media is happy to feed into the outrage over the "Pakistani who put one over on the government, got his citizenship and tried to blow us up" but does not deal out the same swift condemnation of homegrown terrorists. This whole episode has made me very uneasy, and it is way less about "being terrorized" than seeing how this is getting set up as a US vs. Islam sort of thing. That's a very dangerous road to travel.</p> Has it been confirmed that this guy is actually part of a “terrorist network” yet? Or did he just go home to visit family, talk to a bunch of relatives with anti-American sentiments and/or see drone attacks perpetrated by the US (as has been said in a couple of places), get pissed, and come back with a mission?

Seems like he learned his bomb-making skills from old episodes of Looney Toones, not LeT or some other more organized group.

And if being part of an organization is what makes you a terrorist, then I guess the Unabomber wasn’t a terrorist either. Or Timothy McVeigh. News flash: if you try to promote your religion, lifestyle, or opinions with the use of terror tactics, you are a terrorist. Working solo or with a group, doesn’t matter.

The media is happy to feed into the outrage over the “Pakistani who put one over on the government, got his citizenship and tried to blow us up” but does not deal out the same swift condemnation of homegrown terrorists. This whole episode has made me very uneasy, and it is way less about “being terrorized” than seeing how this is getting set up as a US vs. Islam sort of thing. That’s a very dangerous road to travel.

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By: nyx http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/05/04/a_pakistani_man/comment-page-1/#comment-271459 nyx Thu, 06 May 2010 02:18:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6151#comment-271459 <blockquote>So the lesson I'm getting here is brown=terrorist and white=crazy. Isn't there something wrong here? </blockquote> <p>More accurately, jihadi = terrorist What the Underwear bomber, Hasan and this idiot had in common is not race.</p> So the lesson I’m getting here is brown=terrorist and white=crazy. Isn’t there something wrong here?

More accurately, jihadi = terrorist What the Underwear bomber, Hasan and this idiot had in common is not race.

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