Comments on: The BJP Turns 30: Time for New Coke? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/04/03/the_bjp_turns_3/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Pagal_Aadmi_for_d... http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/04/03/the_bjp_turns_3/comment-page-2/#comment-270465 Pagal_Aadmi_for_d... Mon, 05 Apr 2010 09:37:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6134#comment-270465 <p>"Several congressmen in Gujurat joined the anti-muslim riots"</p> <p>That's true. I remember talking to this family from Ahmedabad and they told me that voting for Congress in the next election after the Gujarat riots was the most heart wrenching political decision they have ever taken.</p> “Several congressmen in Gujurat joined the anti-muslim riots”

That’s true. I remember talking to this family from Ahmedabad and they told me that voting for Congress in the next election after the Gujarat riots was the most heart wrenching political decision they have ever taken.

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By: Shan94040 http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/04/03/the_bjp_turns_3/comment-page-2/#comment-270464 Shan94040 Mon, 05 Apr 2010 08:09:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6134#comment-270464 <p>Within the last few weeks there have been muslim inspired riots in Bareilly, Hyderabad, Kerala and Karnataka Several temples have been desecrated and you can watch on youtube, heavily armed , bearded mullah type muslims rioting in Bareilly What would happen if a Hindu desecrated a mosque in Pakistan or Bangladesh</p> <p>In Assam and West Bengal there is a slow ethnic cleansing of Hindus by muslims</p> <p>Even in Godhra, the muslims have been rioting for decades with impunity, and have been murdering Hindus since the time of Mahatma Gandhi. A few years ago, they burned alive 5 Hindu female teachers at Godhra</p> <p>In Ahmedabad, the Congress supported muslim gangster Latif, organised many anti-Hindu riots to ethnic cleanse Hindus from once 75% Hindu Juhupura, to grab their properties There is still a Sanskrit school in the muslim ghetto of Juhupura Gujuratis turned to BJP in desperation</p> <p>Godhra was the final straw, there have been slowly building anger at muslim rioting in Gujurat for decades Several congressmen in Gujurat joined the anti-muslim riots Ahmedabad municipality was congress run, and they used bulldozers to eradicate muslim tombs</p> <p>Anyone notice why in Gujurat elections the congress never brings up the so called plight of muslims during elections In fact in Gujurat elections, congress treats the muslims as untouchables and stays far away from them and tries to act as a moderate Hindu party</p> <p>Anyone notice why muslims riot in Eurabia, whereas Hindus dont</p> <p>It is stupidity to always blame the majority for riots Muslims riot even in minority and thats how they got Pakistan</p> <p>http://dahd.nic.in/ch2/an2.7.htm Has a long list of communal riots from 1710 onwards, compiled by a muslim researcher Zenab Banu and you will find that 90% of them are initiated by muslims and on the second day, Hindus retaliate</p> <p>Retaliatory riots happen because Hindus believe that muslim rioters will never be punished</p> <p>There are no communal riots in Malerkotla in Punjab, because the local muslims fear the sikhs</p> <p>I actually feel that Modi has not sufficiently used the police against muslim rioters, there were 10000 Hindu riot refugees in Gujurat why were these muslim rioters not eliminated ?</p> Within the last few weeks there have been muslim inspired riots in Bareilly, Hyderabad, Kerala and Karnataka Several temples have been desecrated and you can watch on youtube, heavily armed , bearded mullah type muslims rioting in Bareilly What would happen if a Hindu desecrated a mosque in Pakistan or Bangladesh

In Assam and West Bengal there is a slow ethnic cleansing of Hindus by muslims

Even in Godhra, the muslims have been rioting for decades with impunity, and have been murdering Hindus since the time of Mahatma Gandhi. A few years ago, they burned alive 5 Hindu female teachers at Godhra

In Ahmedabad, the Congress supported muslim gangster Latif, organised many anti-Hindu riots to ethnic cleanse Hindus from once 75% Hindu Juhupura, to grab their properties There is still a Sanskrit school in the muslim ghetto of Juhupura Gujuratis turned to BJP in desperation

Godhra was the final straw, there have been slowly building anger at muslim rioting in Gujurat for decades Several congressmen in Gujurat joined the anti-muslim riots Ahmedabad municipality was congress run, and they used bulldozers to eradicate muslim tombs

Anyone notice why in Gujurat elections the congress never brings up the so called plight of muslims during elections In fact in Gujurat elections, congress treats the muslims as untouchables and stays far away from them and tries to act as a moderate Hindu party

Anyone notice why muslims riot in Eurabia, whereas Hindus dont

It is stupidity to always blame the majority for riots Muslims riot even in minority and thats how they got Pakistan

http://dahd.nic.in/ch2/an2.7.htm Has a long list of communal riots from 1710 onwards, compiled by a muslim researcher Zenab Banu and you will find that 90% of them are initiated by muslims and on the second day, Hindus retaliate

Retaliatory riots happen because Hindus believe that muslim rioters will never be punished

There are no communal riots in Malerkotla in Punjab, because the local muslims fear the sikhs

I actually feel that Modi has not sufficiently used the police against muslim rioters, there were 10000 Hindu riot refugees in Gujurat why were these muslim rioters not eliminated ?

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By: AJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/04/03/the_bjp_turns_3/comment-page-2/#comment-270463 AJ Mon, 05 Apr 2010 06:59:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6134#comment-270463 <blockquote>But nobody here defends Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar. </blockquote> <p>But your party, the Congress, is defending them all right - how many days have they spent in jail? And do you see anyone here defending Maya Kodnani or Jaideep Patel?</p> <p>The people who carried out the Anti-Sikh riots <a href="http://www.telegraphindia.com/1091024/jsp/opinion/story_11635419.jsp">got started as Sanjay Gandhi's henchmen</a> during the Emergency in the 70s. Many of these people continue to occupy important constitutional postitions in the Central government today.</p> But nobody here defends Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar.

But your party, the Congress, is defending them all right – how many days have they spent in jail? And do you see anyone here defending Maya Kodnani or Jaideep Patel?

The people who carried out the Anti-Sikh riots got started as Sanjay Gandhi’s henchmen during the Emergency in the 70s. Many of these people continue to occupy important constitutional postitions in the Central government today.

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By: Yajnavalkya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/04/03/the_bjp_turns_3/comment-page-2/#comment-270459 Yajnavalkya Mon, 05 Apr 2010 06:42:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6134#comment-270459 <blockquote> 52 · Yajnavalkya on April 4, 2010 10:23 PM · Direct link yes, far better to cut off the hand for love of the finger... ????? That does not make sense or even make me chuckle. And I laugh very easily.</blockquote> <p>No one expects you to understand basic allusions to proverbs such as "cut off the finger to save the hand"...but that's ok, you've made the rest of us chuckle</p> 52 · Yajnavalkya on April 4, 2010 10:23 PM · Direct link yes, far better to cut off the hand for love of the finger… ????? That does not make sense or even make me chuckle. And I laugh very easily.

No one expects you to understand basic allusions to proverbs such as “cut off the finger to save the hand”…but that’s ok, you’ve made the rest of us chuckle

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By: Kashy http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/04/03/the_bjp_turns_3/comment-page-2/#comment-270458 Kashy Mon, 05 Apr 2010 06:35:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6134#comment-270458 <p>I've met the cream of the crop of Indian girls on the East Coast, small waist, juicy tits, sharp faces, and personally it doesn't arouse passion from me. In comparison to other cream of the crop girls, they are some of the most forgettable. They aren't quirky or unique enough, they're all cookie cutter carbon replica's afraid of going outside their comfort zone. Which is irrelevant if you're looking to fool around, but for marriage I would want more of an individual.</p> <p>Gorgeous Persian girls in the US are beyond high maintenance and need way to much attention. They lack discretion and real world savvy as they've been spoon fed by daddy and awkward guys in their friend circle their entire lives. But a Persian girl in London or Paris, where people know how to deal with beauty, would be a totally different story.</p> I’ve met the cream of the crop of Indian girls on the East Coast, small waist, juicy tits, sharp faces, and personally it doesn’t arouse passion from me. In comparison to other cream of the crop girls, they are some of the most forgettable. They aren’t quirky or unique enough, they’re all cookie cutter carbon replica’s afraid of going outside their comfort zone. Which is irrelevant if you’re looking to fool around, but for marriage I would want more of an individual.

Gorgeous Persian girls in the US are beyond high maintenance and need way to much attention. They lack discretion and real world savvy as they’ve been spoon fed by daddy and awkward guys in their friend circle their entire lives. But a Persian girl in London or Paris, where people know how to deal with beauty, would be a totally different story.

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By: nyx http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/04/03/the_bjp_turns_3/comment-page-2/#comment-270457 nyx Mon, 05 Apr 2010 06:24:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6134#comment-270457 <blockquote> 52 · Yajnavalkya on April 4, 2010 10:23 PM · Direct link yes, far better to cut off the hand for love of the finger... </blockquote> <p>?????</p> <p>That does not make sense or even make me chuckle. And I laugh very easily.</p> 52 · Yajnavalkya on April 4, 2010 10:23 PM · Direct link yes, far better to cut off the hand for love of the finger…

?????

That does not make sense or even make me chuckle. And I laugh very easily.

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By: jyotsana http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/04/03/the_bjp_turns_3/comment-page-2/#comment-270455 jyotsana Mon, 05 Apr 2010 06:17:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6134#comment-270455 <p>Amardeep, slow day at the office?</p> <p><a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/03/01/stories/2002030103030100.htm">The Army units, frantically called by the Chief Minister, Narendra Modi, as the situation seemed to slip out of hand, started arriving in Ahmedabad and are likely to be deployed in the city on Friday.</a> <a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/03/01/stories/2002030106000100.htm"> NEW DELHI, FEB. 28. The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) which met here tonight to take stock of the situation in Gujarat in the wake of the attack on Sabarmati Express at Godhra and the subsequent incidents of violence elsewhere in the State decided to ask the Army to remain on standby. The Defence Minister, George Fernandes, is rushing to Ahmedabad tomorrow to assess the situation.</p> <p>Briefing presspersons after nearly an hour-long meeting of the CCS, presided over by the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, the Union Home Minister, L.K. Advani, said the decision to keep the Army on standby was taken even as 11 companies of the Central para-military forces were rushed to Gujarat.</p> <p>``By this evening, the Central forces would be there to assist the local police in maintaining law and order in violence affected areas in Gujarat,'' Mr. Advani said.</a></p> <p><a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/03/02/stories/2002030203050100.htm">Five persons were killed in police firing during fresh incidents of violence in the labour-dominated Bapunagar locality where at least five persons were burnt alive in a car in one of the gruesome incidents during the day. Eight persons were burnt alive in their car on the outskirts of Juhapura locality. A policeman was stabbed to death and his body set afire by a mob in Naroda locality....... Despite the imposition of indefinite curfew, sporadic incidents of violence, group clashes and stoning continued through out the night and during the day today in the walled city and labour-dominated eastern parts of Ahmedabad. But unlike Thursday when one community was entirely at the receiving end, the minority backlash caused further worsening of the situation.</p> <p>Police presence had little impact on the two communities pelting stones at each other in Bapunagar, Gomtipur, Dariapur, Shahpur, Naroda and other areas from where incidents of firing had been reported. But there were no reports of casualty. Pitched battle was contin uing between the two communities late in the evening.</p> <p>The official sources said timely arrival of the police foiled a retaliatory attempt to break into a prominent temple in Jamalpur locality in the walled city. But at least 15 places of worship of the minority community in Ahmedabad and some other parts of the State were vandalised and were converted overnight into `temples' during the last two days.</a> <a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2002/03/09/stories/2002030906010100.htm"> AHMEDABAD, MARCH 8. An all-party delegation of Parliamentarians, including the Congress president, Sonia Gandhi, which visited riot-torn Gujarat today reportedly refused to meet the Chief Minister, Narendra Modi.</p> <p>Some members of the delegation are believed to have told the Government protocol officials that they believed that Mr. Modi was the <code>culprit'' in the entire episode and that there was no meaning of listening to his</code>explanations''.</p> <p>Though the official programme did not include a meeting with the Chief Minister, Mr. Modi was keen on meeting the leaders to give the official version of the events.</p> <p>While initially it was planned to take the delegation to Gandhinagar for a meeting with Mr. Modi, on being turned down by the members, Mr. Modi offered to come to the circuit house annexe in Ahmedabad, where the delegation was meeting representatives of various organisations, but that too was not acceptable to the MPs.</a></p> Amardeep, slow day at the office?

The Army units, frantically called by the Chief Minister, Narendra Modi, as the situation seemed to slip out of hand, started arriving in Ahmedabad and are likely to be deployed in the city on Friday. NEW DELHI, FEB. 28. The Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) which met here tonight to take stock of the situation in Gujarat in the wake of the attack on Sabarmati Express at Godhra and the subsequent incidents of violence elsewhere in the State decided to ask the Army to remain on standby. The Defence Minister, George Fernandes, is rushing to Ahmedabad tomorrow to assess the situation.

Briefing presspersons after nearly an hour-long meeting of the CCS, presided over by the Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, the Union Home Minister, L.K. Advani, said the decision to keep the Army on standby was taken even as 11 companies of the Central para-military forces were rushed to Gujarat.

“By this evening, the Central forces would be there to assist the local police in maintaining law and order in violence affected areas in Gujarat,” Mr. Advani said.

Five persons were killed in police firing during fresh incidents of violence in the labour-dominated Bapunagar locality where at least five persons were burnt alive in a car in one of the gruesome incidents during the day. Eight persons were burnt alive in their car on the outskirts of Juhapura locality. A policeman was stabbed to death and his body set afire by a mob in Naroda locality……. Despite the imposition of indefinite curfew, sporadic incidents of violence, group clashes and stoning continued through out the night and during the day today in the walled city and labour-dominated eastern parts of Ahmedabad. But unlike Thursday when one community was entirely at the receiving end, the minority backlash caused further worsening of the situation.

Police presence had little impact on the two communities pelting stones at each other in Bapunagar, Gomtipur, Dariapur, Shahpur, Naroda and other areas from where incidents of firing had been reported. But there were no reports of casualty. Pitched battle was contin uing between the two communities late in the evening.

The official sources said timely arrival of the police foiled a retaliatory attempt to break into a prominent temple in Jamalpur locality in the walled city. But at least 15 places of worship of the minority community in Ahmedabad and some other parts of the State were vandalised and were converted overnight into `temples’ during the last two days. AHMEDABAD, MARCH 8. An all-party delegation of Parliamentarians, including the Congress president, Sonia Gandhi, which visited riot-torn Gujarat today reportedly refused to meet the Chief Minister, Narendra Modi.

Some members of the delegation are believed to have told the Government protocol officials that they believed that Mr. Modi was the culprit'' in the entire episode and that there was no meaning of listening to hisexplanations”.

Though the official programme did not include a meeting with the Chief Minister, Mr. Modi was keen on meeting the leaders to give the official version of the events.

While initially it was planned to take the delegation to Gandhinagar for a meeting with Mr. Modi, on being turned down by the members, Mr. Modi offered to come to the circuit house annexe in Ahmedabad, where the delegation was meeting representatives of various organisations, but that too was not acceptable to the MPs.

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By: RC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/04/03/the_bjp_turns_3/comment-page-2/#comment-270454 RC Mon, 05 Apr 2010 05:32:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6134#comment-270454 <h1>53 PAFD,</h1> <p>We have had back and forth on this subject and others for years now. The only reason I commented on this thread was to highlight some facts that are coming out in the legal process under taken by SIT directed by the Supreme Court of India. There is lot of emotional writing on Gujarat '02 and lot of it is unfortunately filled with hyperbole which is, again driven by emotions, not facts. Events of '02, the burning alive of 58 mostly women and children and the following riots that killed close to a 1000 people 75% of which were muslims (25% killed were Hindus mostly killed by the police) were extremely horrifying events that no one with any humanity can make excuses for or "defend".</p> 53 PAFD,

We have had back and forth on this subject and others for years now. The only reason I commented on this thread was to highlight some facts that are coming out in the legal process under taken by SIT directed by the Supreme Court of India. There is lot of emotional writing on Gujarat ’02 and lot of it is unfortunately filled with hyperbole which is, again driven by emotions, not facts. Events of ’02, the burning alive of 58 mostly women and children and the following riots that killed close to a 1000 people 75% of which were muslims (25% killed were Hindus mostly killed by the police) were extremely horrifying events that no one with any humanity can make excuses for or “defend”.

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By: Yajnavalkya http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/04/03/the_bjp_turns_3/comment-page-2/#comment-270453 Yajnavalkya Mon, 05 Apr 2010 04:41:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6134#comment-270453 <p>Perhaps if the very congresswallahs you use as exemplars had called for Rajiv Gandhi to be sentenced in the aftermath of 1984, then perhaps your position might have more credibility. Additionally, no one here is rationalizing the violence that took place, it was heinous--and in spite of your calumnies--two-sided. All we're saying is look at the facts and mourn for all the victims, irrespective of community. Don't just start making up numbers and events to create a narrative that attempts to justify jihadism. BJP supporters want an India that has a place for all communities, but also one that doesn't discard our heritage and that respects the sentiments of all communities according to the same standards.</p> <p>When congress supporters such as yourself, or allies such as ye olde man of letters Lalu Prasad Yadav, assemble kangaroo commissions (UC Banerjee) that had no standing to trot out the canard of the "Spontaneous Combustion" at Godhra or inhumanly assert that the women and children were "asking for it" by singing bhajans, you don't exactly come across as paragons of humanity yourself. Spare us the manufactured outrage...it rings hollow...</p> Perhaps if the very congresswallahs you use as exemplars had called for Rajiv Gandhi to be sentenced in the aftermath of 1984, then perhaps your position might have more credibility. Additionally, no one here is rationalizing the violence that took place, it was heinous–and in spite of your calumnies–two-sided. All we’re saying is look at the facts and mourn for all the victims, irrespective of community. Don’t just start making up numbers and events to create a narrative that attempts to justify jihadism. BJP supporters want an India that has a place for all communities, but also one that doesn’t discard our heritage and that respects the sentiments of all communities according to the same standards.

When congress supporters such as yourself, or allies such as ye olde man of letters Lalu Prasad Yadav, assemble kangaroo commissions (UC Banerjee) that had no standing to trot out the canard of the “Spontaneous Combustion” at Godhra or inhumanly assert that the women and children were “asking for it” by singing bhajans, you don’t exactly come across as paragons of humanity yourself. Spare us the manufactured outrage…it rings hollow…

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By: Pagal_Aadmi_for_d... http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/04/03/the_bjp_turns_3/comment-page-2/#comment-270452 Pagal_Aadmi_for_d... Mon, 05 Apr 2010 04:33:16 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6134#comment-270452 <p>I just wish people here would not be as forgiving of Modi. The man has blood on his hands. It's not a secular conspiracy. All the economic progress and the anti-corruption measures taken by him will not wash the blood off his hands. Yes, Sajjan Kumar and Jagdish Tytler are no less monsters. But nobody here defends Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar. Let's stop defending Modi as well.</p> I just wish people here would not be as forgiving of Modi. The man has blood on his hands. It’s not a secular conspiracy. All the economic progress and the anti-corruption measures taken by him will not wash the blood off his hands. Yes, Sajjan Kumar and Jagdish Tytler are no less monsters. But nobody here defends Jagdish Tytler and Sajjan Kumar. Let’s stop defending Modi as well.

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