Well then consider that I’ve mentioned my agreement with you in the past:

I’m actually down with PGs and Prema’s Bill Cosbyish attacks on Indian society and find their borderline racism more tolerable than the patronizing racism practiced by white liberals like and HMF. I recall one thread where everyone was blabbering on about how generous Indians are and then Prema rolled in with some child malnutrition stats that shut everyone up. That’s much better than the “we’re not misogynistic, we’re not racist, and even if we are it’s the fault of colonialism” crew. I blame the victim. Having said that, I find PG and Prema kinda weird so I keep a distance. Prema in particular, who looks like he’s about to go on a shooting spree.

You are lying again. Here is what you said about my argument: “There is no logical fallacy in that argument”

Just because an argument is logical doesn’t make it convincing. If I say, there’s a lot of Communists working in the state department, that may be a logical statement, it may even be true, but its not convincing. In order to convince you need to present the evidence. name names.

Another lie. The second one was made long ago, and you are still attempting to “work it over” with idiotic “rebuttals” despiting having claimed to “agree 100%” with it

You reformulated in response to my criticism. So i take credit for improving you. I keep repeating it only because you keep asking the same question. so i give you the same answer.

No you ignoramus in logic things can indeed be mutually exclusive as in either/or.

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This doesn’t address my take down of you. I said things aren’t necessarily mutually exclusive. you reply that they can be. sure, they can be, but its still not necessary. ergo, your claim that your argument is unvague because i agreed with it is flawed…because one can indeed agree with a vague claim. in fact, its because i agree with your claim that i’m taking you to task for your unconvincing arguments. you make me look bad. not unlike the vile racsim of rush limbaugh. you descend into the same unnuanced simplistic biogtry, as you’re beginning to concede, to your credit.

Everyone has such anecdotal experiences. So why the hell did you stubbornly keep insisting that the argument was invalid without names being named

because undocumented anecdotal evidence–the type that i have to back up your claims–is untrustworthy. first its undocumented so no one can check it. its susceptible to observer bias and may be too incomplete. so basically, a good debater doesn’t rely on such hearsay. if you want to win the battle you need to provide actual evidence. which you routinely fail to do. ergo,. you’re making our side look bad.

Calm down dude. I am referring to the following statement of your post 146

And your statements about America being the best land or whatever it is, is something which I feel comes from an uninformed past, your
discriminatory experiences in northern india included.

You have no means to know it. After Northen India, I had life in 4 continents as I mentioned earlier on and guess you did not read it.

In my first experience of renting an apartment, I asked the Sales Representatvie if there are any Indians in the subdivision and she said she is not allowed to give me that information as it may create bias. She gave me exact same listing that were in the newspaper. I looked at several one of them and settled for a new one. Tell me how can I even doubt if there was any kind of discrimination?

Later she became a friend and asked me:- Why Indians want to rent near Indians? In fact several times people asked her if there were any Tamils/Telgus etc.

If I had good experience in renting I am free to say it and not wiling to accept that I cannot or could not figure out discrimation for any reason made up some people who know everything about me based on four lines that I wrote.

Enough of your silly deceitful games.You probably think you are being very clever playing this silly charade. Think again. You are not on my side. There is no way someone like you who defends the vile, racist rabble rouser Rush Limbaugh, could be on my side. I absolutely loathe that hatefilled scoundrel and his millions of trashy racist dittoheads.

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You are lying again. Here is what you said about my argument: “There is no logical fallacy in that argument”

Au contraire. it only became clear after i worked you over. the first construction of your argument was inane.

Another lie. The second one was made long ago, and you are still attempting to “work it over” with idiotic “rebuttals” despiting having claimed to “agree 100%” with it.

personal anecdotal experience.

Everyone has such anecdotal experiences. So why the hell did you stubbornly keep insisting that the argument was invalid without names being named…..even after naming a name yourself, as you claim?

one of your flaws is your too simplistic. things aren’ t necessarily mutually exclusive.

No you ignoramus in logic things can indeed be mutually exclusive as in either/or. The argument I made was logical.

The flaw in your argument is that your just asserting my posts are full of illogic. what you need to do to substantiate your argument is pull the illogical quotes and demonstrate why they are such.

I have shown your illogic, duplicity and lies over and over again.

Here’s the abridged version :

“Dunce, Idiot, Hypocrite, You’re stupid” (repeat 50x)

Agreed–

and any argument with words like “all” “everyone” etc can’t be anything but false to begin with….

I hear you; And I’m all for this blog and anyone taking down issues and problems in India. In fact Indians do a lot of that – look at our newspapers and blogs – we’re not afraid to criticize each other and hopefully with that comes change. You don’t see this same analysis in other nations’ press and I see it as a sign of self-confidence culturally.

Reminds me of reading Sen’s “Argumentative Indian”

However, what I can’t stand is what I don’t do to other people – which is make comments and analyze them in an ahistorical, hateful, stereotyping, generalizing manner. How can anyone make a statement that says “All Indians are hypocrites to complain about discrimination in the US b/c of the caste system” w/o recognizing that this same logic applies to most of the world? – maybe not some hunter-gatherer tribes (I don’t know). Seriously commonsense is just missing from statements like these, alongside their ignorance.

Shilip, please do not make it personal and once again please do not assume anything about exposure to the USA or other countries. As I said I am well traveled and can understand discrimination. I am not sure how can one make an opinion about someone by just reading few statements in the comments of a blog. I personally take my own time to form opinion about a person and for that matter a country”

What is the assumption I’ve made? You yourself you stated (post 87) you came here on a work sponsorship, I guess I’ve assumed you were a fully matured adult when that happened. Apologies if you were a boy genius that completed his masters at age 6, and came here to work at age 7.

“As I said I am well traveled and can understand discrimination.”

How can you say you understand the way discrimination works in the US? That to me, is an indefensible claim on your part. You said there were some discriminatory experiences you had during your formative years, and I asked for clarification, which you now state is not the proper forum for. Let me ask you again then, was there ever a point in time where you felt “not Indian” in your childhood? Im guessing the answer is no. But I (and I’d say nearly everyone else in my position) Im positive has felt “not-American” even though this is the land of our (in many cases) birth, and upbringing.

In particular the nuanced and mixed signal fashion that applies to people who are raised in that country, when you yourself are not? I already acquiesced you may not have personally experienced housing discrimination, however to me that just means you were not unlucky enough to get shafted like the people in this post (who we wouldn’t even know about had it not been for an internal whistle blower on the matter) But that’s inconclusive to make a general statement about the US being some beacon of prosperity that doesn’t discriminate.

Maybe thats the conclusion you draw, based on the incomplete information you have. And I acknowledge that (and observe it in others), but make no mistake about what is causing your erroneous conclusion.

…or maybe because this website is for/about desis? Not Chinese people or Rwandans?

I believe it’s just a few people, particularly Prema, who write stereotypes and hatred for Indians. And then a few people jump on the bandwagon. I seriously don’t get it. How can anyone ignore the horrible systems of injustice in almost every part of the world, some equalling genocide, such as in China or Rwanda, and then act like only Indians are capable of abusing others. Sigh…I believe some people do this to seem cool, “look at me I can criticize my own culture” and others do it b/c of self-hatred.