Comments on: A marriage of East and West http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/26/a_marriage_of_e/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Malathi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/26/a_marriage_of_e/comment-page-4/#comment-269153 Malathi Mon, 01 Mar 2010 05:06:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6114#comment-269153 <p>I stopped skimming after the comment about 80,000 Anglo-Indians in all of India. So if someone else has made this point, apologies.</p> <p>80,000 has to be an undercount or stringent classification. I am sure there are that many in Vepery, Kilpauk and Purasawakkam in Madras alone. Or OK, include Bangalorean Anglo-Indians too. Still, my point is...something is not quite right with that number.</p> I stopped skimming after the comment about 80,000 Anglo-Indians in all of India. So if someone else has made this point, apologies.

80,000 has to be an undercount or stringent classification. I am sure there are that many in Vepery, Kilpauk and Purasawakkam in Madras alone. Or OK, include Bangalorean Anglo-Indians too. Still, my point is…something is not quite right with that number.

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By: shilip http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/26/a_marriage_of_e/comment-page-4/#comment-269152 shilip Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:21:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6114#comment-269152 <p>"But I understand what you're saying, it's almost instinctive to associate names with certain cultures"</p> <p>of course it is, and 99% of the time you'd be right.</p> “But I understand what you’re saying, it’s almost instinctive to associate names with certain cultures”

of course it is, and 99% of the time you’d be right.

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By: shilip http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/26/a_marriage_of_e/comment-page-4/#comment-269151 shilip Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:19:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6114#comment-269151 <p>"I agree, but it's stupid to assume that someone's name exposes their ethnicity, that's all i'm saying."</p> <p>You're just splitting hairs then. it 98% of the time exposes it. Thats like saying "its stupid to cross a crosswalk when the light is red" because 1% of the time someone might run a red light.</p> “I agree, but it’s stupid to assume that someone’s name exposes their ethnicity, that’s all i’m saying.”

You’re just splitting hairs then. it 98% of the time exposes it. Thats like saying “its stupid to cross a crosswalk when the light is red” because 1% of the time someone might run a red light.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/26/a_marriage_of_e/comment-page-4/#comment-269150 Manju Mon, 01 Mar 2010 04:13:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6114#comment-269150 <blockquote><blockquote>I do think though, that it is probably relatively easier for an Indian male to marry a non-Indian than for an Indian female. That's just a hunch at this point though.</blockquote> I suspect Razib has the study bookmarked given how often he references it, but I seem to recall that the numbers bore out the opposite conclusion. Indian women are more likely to marry out than Indian men. </blockquote> <p>its even. a statisitcally insiginficant advantage to the women:</p> <p>http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml</p>
I do think though, that it is probably relatively easier for an Indian male to marry a non-Indian than for an Indian female. That’s just a hunch at this point though.
I suspect Razib has the study bookmarked given how often he references it, but I seem to recall that the numbers bore out the opposite conclusion. Indian women are more likely to marry out than Indian men.

its even. a statisitcally insiginficant advantage to the women:

http://www.asian-nation.org/interracial.shtml

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/26/a_marriage_of_e/comment-page-3/#comment-269149 Yoga Fire Mon, 01 Mar 2010 03:56:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6114#comment-269149 <blockquote>I do think though, that it is probably relatively easier for an Indian male to marry a non-Indian than for an Indian female. That's just a hunch at this point though.</blockquote> <p>I suspect Razib has the study bookmarked given how often he references it, but I seem to recall that the numbers bore out the opposite conclusion. Indian women are more likely to marry out than Indian men.</p> I do think though, that it is probably relatively easier for an Indian male to marry a non-Indian than for an Indian female. That’s just a hunch at this point though.

I suspect Razib has the study bookmarked given how often he references it, but I seem to recall that the numbers bore out the opposite conclusion. Indian women are more likely to marry out than Indian men.

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/26/a_marriage_of_e/comment-page-3/#comment-269148 Yoga Fire Mon, 01 Mar 2010 03:54:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6114#comment-269148 <blockquote>I agree, but it's stupid to assume that someone's name exposes their ethnicity, that's all i'm saying. </blockquote> <p>It's stupid to assume that something that two things which correlate in 90% of cases are probably going to correlate for any given case you're dealing with?</p> <p>I really don't see what's worth getting your knickers in a twist over here. So we might be mistaken in a vanishingly small minority of situations. Woe is us!</p> I agree, but it’s stupid to assume that someone’s name exposes their ethnicity, that’s all i’m saying.

It’s stupid to assume that something that two things which correlate in 90% of cases are probably going to correlate for any given case you’re dealing with?

I really don’t see what’s worth getting your knickers in a twist over here. So we might be mistaken in a vanishingly small minority of situations. Woe is us!

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/26/a_marriage_of_e/comment-page-3/#comment-269147 Manju Mon, 01 Mar 2010 03:39:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6114#comment-269147 <blockquote>Does being born and raised in Kolkata make her desi, or does she need something more?</blockquote> <p>she needs to be able to do the indian head shake</p> Does being born and raised in Kolkata make her desi, or does she need something more?

she needs to be able to do the indian head shake

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By: Jenna http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/26/a_marriage_of_e/comment-page-3/#comment-269145 Jenna Mon, 01 Mar 2010 02:54:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6114#comment-269145 <p><i>It's illogical, because you claim shaniqua is not a real african american name and say it only exists in the media, or as a stereotype but lambast me for "having the media pounding" stereotypes in my head.</i> I never said it wasn't real, it's just not as common as you seem to think or as the media portrays. Generally, black people have protestant derived names.</p> <p><i>Ok, explain why the story was chosen as a blog-worthy story then ? If you read a wedding announcement "smith marries shah" are you telling me you'd equally likely think smith and shah were desi? </i> Honestly, I would just think it was two people getting married and not give any thought about their backgrounds (Iranians share the last name Shah with Indians) . But I understand what you're saying, it's almost instinctive to associate names with certain cultures. I guess it's blog worthy cause the author of this post has never met someone of X origin with a Y origin name or he thinks that most people would assume that Bird spent her life in the west whereas her fiance spent his in the east, but it's actually the opposite: and his point was maybe that people shouldn't have assumptions of people's backgrounds based on their names... I don't know his intentions, perhaps you should ask him, not me :)</p> <p><i>But they do not occupy THE MAJORITY</i> I agree, but it's stupid to assume that someone's name exposes their ethnicity, that's all i'm saying.</p> It’s illogical, because you claim shaniqua is not a real african american name and say it only exists in the media, or as a stereotype but lambast me for “having the media pounding” stereotypes in my head. I never said it wasn’t real, it’s just not as common as you seem to think or as the media portrays. Generally, black people have protestant derived names.

Ok, explain why the story was chosen as a blog-worthy story then ? If you read a wedding announcement “smith marries shah” are you telling me you’d equally likely think smith and shah were desi? Honestly, I would just think it was two people getting married and not give any thought about their backgrounds (Iranians share the last name Shah with Indians) . But I understand what you’re saying, it’s almost instinctive to associate names with certain cultures. I guess it’s blog worthy cause the author of this post has never met someone of X origin with a Y origin name or he thinks that most people would assume that Bird spent her life in the west whereas her fiance spent his in the east, but it’s actually the opposite: and his point was maybe that people shouldn’t have assumptions of people’s backgrounds based on their names… I don’t know his intentions, perhaps you should ask him, not me :)

But they do not occupy THE MAJORITY I agree, but it’s stupid to assume that someone’s name exposes their ethnicity, that’s all i’m saying.

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By: LinZi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/26/a_marriage_of_e/comment-page-3/#comment-269144 LinZi Mon, 01 Mar 2010 02:47:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6114#comment-269144 <p>"I find this post amusing because no one in India has ever questioned whether Nicolette Bird is actually desi or not."</p> <p>Does being born and raised in Kolkata make her desi, or does she need something more?</p> “I find this post amusing because no one in India has ever questioned whether Nicolette Bird is actually desi or not.”

Does being born and raised in Kolkata make her desi, or does she need something more?

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By: LinZi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/26/a_marriage_of_e/comment-page-3/#comment-269143 LinZi Mon, 01 Mar 2010 02:44:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6114#comment-269143 <p>"Most cultures have the idea that a woman "marries into" the husband's family."</p> <p>Well, I think that depends. I know in my family, my dad is protestant, and my mom is catholic, but the traditional catholic idea is that the mother is responsible for passing the religion onto the child, hence I was raised catholic (not that that worked out, ha!) rather than protestant.</p> <p>Also there are some (though probably less) cultures, even in India (mostly South India) where the family line is matrilineal, rather than patrilineal.</p> <p>"But acceptance of Indian husband/non-Indian wife in the Indian community is not a pattern that just appears in India." While there is some acceptance of this arrangement-- I also think there is still a good amount of rejection of this situation, as well. It is not necessarily easy to get an Indian family to agree to this, in my case, it took a lot of time, but in the end it worked out. I think a lot more (in this case) Indian men would be marrying outside their culture if it was more acceptable... I know a lot of Indian guys in grad school who fell in love with an American and then felt pressure to give up the relationship for an in-community marriage. I do think though, that it is probably relatively easier for an Indian male to marry a non-Indian than for an Indian female. That's just a hunch at this point though.</p> “Most cultures have the idea that a woman “marries into” the husband’s family.”

Well, I think that depends. I know in my family, my dad is protestant, and my mom is catholic, but the traditional catholic idea is that the mother is responsible for passing the religion onto the child, hence I was raised catholic (not that that worked out, ha!) rather than protestant.

Also there are some (though probably less) cultures, even in India (mostly South India) where the family line is matrilineal, rather than patrilineal.

“But acceptance of Indian husband/non-Indian wife in the Indian community is not a pattern that just appears in India.” While there is some acceptance of this arrangement– I also think there is still a good amount of rejection of this situation, as well. It is not necessarily easy to get an Indian family to agree to this, in my case, it took a lot of time, but in the end it worked out. I think a lot more (in this case) Indian men would be marrying outside their culture if it was more acceptable… I know a lot of Indian guys in grad school who fell in love with an American and then felt pressure to give up the relationship for an in-community marriage. I do think though, that it is probably relatively easier for an Indian male to marry a non-Indian than for an Indian female. That’s just a hunch at this point though.

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