Comments on: Supporting your causes http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/21/supporting_your/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ruchira http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/21/supporting_your/comment-page-1/#comment-270931 Ruchira Tue, 27 Apr 2010 05:11:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6110#comment-270931 <p>Returning here once again to remind readers that the Houston fundraiser of Save A Mother is on May 7. Those interested in attending, please contact me or find out the details <a href="http://accidentalblogger.typepad.com/accidental_blogger/2010/04/save-a-mother-an-appeal.html">here. </a></p> <p>Thanks once again to Abhi for introducing the charity to SM readers.</p> Returning here once again to remind readers that the Houston fundraiser of Save A Mother is on May 7. Those interested in attending, please contact me or find out the details here.

Thanks once again to Abhi for introducing the charity to SM readers.

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By: Bell Bajao http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/21/supporting_your/comment-page-1/#comment-269348 Bell Bajao Sun, 07 Mar 2010 15:28:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6110#comment-269348 <p>Its nice to see initiatives like these. We would surely love to cover these kind of NGOs on our blog as well. They are fighting for a great cause and these causes should be shared with the world and we'd do every bit to highlight these causes.</p> Its nice to see initiatives like these. We would surely love to cover these kind of NGOs on our blog as well. They are fighting for a great cause and these causes should be shared with the world and we’d do every bit to highlight these causes.

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By: Ruchira http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/21/supporting_your/comment-page-1/#comment-269155 Ruchira Mon, 01 Mar 2010 19:00:56 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6110#comment-269155 <p>Thanks to everyone who took note of this post and shared their opinions here.</p> <p>Dr. Shiban Ganju, the founder of <i>Save A Mother</i> has a post up about the organization on <a href="http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2010/03/save-a-mother.html">3 Quarks Daily </a>where he is a regular contributor. My comment below points out some of the recent advances of SAM.</p> Thanks to everyone who took note of this post and shared their opinions here.

Dr. Shiban Ganju, the founder of Save A Mother has a post up about the organization on 3 Quarks Daily where he is a regular contributor. My comment below points out some of the recent advances of SAM.

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By: Shrishti http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/21/supporting_your/comment-page-1/#comment-268982 Shrishti Fri, 26 Feb 2010 17:41:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6110#comment-268982 <p>Ekal Vidyalaya is one of the best Indian charities with minimal administrative overhead costs:</p> <p>http://ekalindia.org/ekal_new/index.php</p> Ekal Vidyalaya is one of the best Indian charities with minimal administrative overhead costs:

http://ekalindia.org/ekal_new/index.php

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By: AJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/21/supporting_your/comment-page-1/#comment-268934 AJ Fri, 26 Feb 2010 04:53:05 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6110#comment-268934 <p>I see. There is an open school system in India up to high school level. When they are ready, students from informal schools appear for exams starting grade 3 (A level) for certificates that are recognized by the government. I remember reading this was a UNESCO program, but I may be mistaken.</p> I see. There is an open school system in India up to high school level. When they are ready, students from informal schools appear for exams starting grade 3 (A level) for certificates that are recognized by the government. I remember reading this was a UNESCO program, but I may be mistaken.

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By: LinZi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/21/supporting_your/comment-page-1/#comment-268885 LinZi Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:04:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6110#comment-268885 <p>sorry, pressed the button too soon.</p> <p>They may have the qualifications they need to start formal schooling as a 4th or 5th grader but not the proper documentation. Then they are left with the decisions to either start over at grade 1 with small children or not continue shcool.</p> sorry, pressed the button too soon.

They may have the qualifications they need to start formal schooling as a 4th or 5th grader but not the proper documentation. Then they are left with the decisions to either start over at grade 1 with small children or not continue shcool.

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By: LinZi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/21/supporting_your/comment-page-1/#comment-268884 LinZi Thu, 25 Feb 2010 20:03:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6110#comment-268884 <p>"hen it comes to the formal vs. informal question, I'd say that results achieved mostly depend on how dedicated the teacher is. That is why you can go to a formal school and end up needing a tutor and likely why much of Pratham's data shows poor achievement in the early grades. As for qualifications, that is really not a problem if the students have the skills and the option to enter formal education when they want to."</p> <p>You're absolutely right. Teacher quality is a big deal. One other consideration with informal school though is, say a student who is poor goes to an informal school for 3 or 4 years, but they didn't get a certificate. They may have the qualifications they need to start formal schooling as a 4th or 5th grader.</p> “hen it comes to the formal vs. informal question, I’d say that results achieved mostly depend on how dedicated the teacher is. That is why you can go to a formal school and end up needing a tutor and likely why much of Pratham’s data shows poor achievement in the early grades. As for qualifications, that is really not a problem if the students have the skills and the option to enter formal education when they want to.”

You’re absolutely right. Teacher quality is a big deal. One other consideration with informal school though is, say a student who is poor goes to an informal school for 3 or 4 years, but they didn’t get a certificate. They may have the qualifications they need to start formal schooling as a 4th or 5th grader.

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By: AJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/21/supporting_your/comment-page-1/#comment-268881 AJ Thu, 25 Feb 2010 19:19:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6110#comment-268881 <p>I know people who are volunteers and have data about the schools I give to, but then again that's not the same as actually going to the village and checking it out. When it comes to the formal vs. informal question, I'd say that results achieved mostly depend on how dedicated the teacher is. That is why you can go to a formal school and end up needing a tutor and likely why much of Pratham's data shows poor achievement in the early grades. As for qualifications, that is really not a problem if the students have the skills and the option to enter formal education when they want to. Thinking about how the unorganised sector works, I'd say basic literacy would have the greatest payback followed by a smaller relative payback for 10th grade qualification.</p> I know people who are volunteers and have data about the schools I give to, but then again that’s not the same as actually going to the village and checking it out. When it comes to the formal vs. informal question, I’d say that results achieved mostly depend on how dedicated the teacher is. That is why you can go to a formal school and end up needing a tutor and likely why much of Pratham’s data shows poor achievement in the early grades. As for qualifications, that is really not a problem if the students have the skills and the option to enter formal education when they want to. Thinking about how the unorganised sector works, I’d say basic literacy would have the greatest payback followed by a smaller relative payback for 10th grade qualification.

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By: LinZi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/21/supporting_your/comment-page-1/#comment-268879 LinZi Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:11:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6110#comment-268879 <p>AJ, I have never heard of Ekal before, are you involved with them? Would love to hear more about it, it's a new org for me, it looks like is has a lot of chapters int he U.S.</p> <p>That brings up another topic for people to consider-- when sponsoring NGOs that work in education, there are two different main sections- formal schools and informal schools. Looks like Ekal has informal schools, as does Sr. Jessi's schools in Bihar. Other programs, like Barakat run formal schools (I-India sends it's children to formal school and also has vocational classes). Informal schools seemed more focused on the extreme basics- literacy, basic math etc. But of course the students do not benefit from having any official school certificates.</p> <p>I think there can be some positive and negatives to this system. On one hand- informal schools are easier to create- no need for all the administrative tasks involved in certifying the schools. Additionally, since they are teaching basics, they do not need highly trained teachers, and can also pay the teachers less. Also, for example, Sr. Jessi explained to me that her students are almost always the first literate people in their family. She feels that education, even if informal plants the seed for the importance of education, and therefore the children who attend the informal schools will be more likely to view education positively and send their own children to school in the future.</p> <p>But it also brings up the question of class. Do informal schools keep poor children poor, by not giving them formal recognition of their achievements and therefore unable to have the choices to continue education or gain many types of employment that children from higher up classes have? Do informal schools embrace the separate and unequal system of schooling in India? The same considerations can be thought about in terms of formal education versus vocational training as well. Of course, there is really no right answer, but it is important to consider all these factors too. :)</p> AJ, I have never heard of Ekal before, are you involved with them? Would love to hear more about it, it’s a new org for me, it looks like is has a lot of chapters int he U.S.

That brings up another topic for people to consider– when sponsoring NGOs that work in education, there are two different main sections- formal schools and informal schools. Looks like Ekal has informal schools, as does Sr. Jessi’s schools in Bihar. Other programs, like Barakat run formal schools (I-India sends it’s children to formal school and also has vocational classes). Informal schools seemed more focused on the extreme basics- literacy, basic math etc. But of course the students do not benefit from having any official school certificates.

I think there can be some positive and negatives to this system. On one hand- informal schools are easier to create- no need for all the administrative tasks involved in certifying the schools. Additionally, since they are teaching basics, they do not need highly trained teachers, and can also pay the teachers less. Also, for example, Sr. Jessi explained to me that her students are almost always the first literate people in their family. She feels that education, even if informal plants the seed for the importance of education, and therefore the children who attend the informal schools will be more likely to view education positively and send their own children to school in the future.

But it also brings up the question of class. Do informal schools keep poor children poor, by not giving them formal recognition of their achievements and therefore unable to have the choices to continue education or gain many types of employment that children from higher up classes have? Do informal schools embrace the separate and unequal system of schooling in India? The same considerations can be thought about in terms of formal education versus vocational training as well. Of course, there is really no right answer, but it is important to consider all these factors too. :)

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By: AJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/02/21/supporting_your/comment-page-1/#comment-268878 AJ Thu, 25 Feb 2010 18:04:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6110#comment-268878 <p>Oh yes,and if you want something very personal, you can participate in the programs fun by FamilyGivingTree.org.</p> Oh yes,and if you want something very personal, you can participate in the programs fun by FamilyGivingTree.org.

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