Comments on: The Deaf Muslim Punk Playwright: Interview with Sabina England http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/11/interview/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Pardesi Gori Alert http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/11/interview/comment-page-2/#comment-267360 Pardesi Gori Alert Fri, 15 Jan 2010 00:38:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6075#comment-267360 <p>"Free Stree" is Pardesi Gori. PG, did it ever occur to you that if you didn't have a million different names/biographies, you wouldn't get banned so often?</p> “Free Stree” is Pardesi Gori. PG, did it ever occur to you that if you didn’t have a million different names/biographies, you wouldn’t get banned so often?

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By: Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/11/interview/comment-page-2/#comment-267357 Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:42:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6075#comment-267357 <p>so apparently I'm a self-hating Indian? wow, thanks for the news, doctor. I never knew that about myself.</p> <p>aside from the bullshit comments, I've gotten mostly nice responses from people. Thank you to everyone for checking out my videos and writings! It makes me feel really good to know that some people appreciate my works! I hope I won't disappoint anyone of you in the future with my future comedy videos. I really don't have anything else to add here, but if anyone is interested, drop me an e-mail or send me a message on Twitter if anyone would like to be in touch.</p> <p>God bless and many warm cheers.</p> <p>Sabina</p> so apparently I’m a self-hating Indian? wow, thanks for the news, doctor. I never knew that about myself.

aside from the bullshit comments, I’ve gotten mostly nice responses from people. Thank you to everyone for checking out my videos and writings! It makes me feel really good to know that some people appreciate my works! I hope I won’t disappoint anyone of you in the future with my future comedy videos. I really don’t have anything else to add here, but if anyone is interested, drop me an e-mail or send me a message on Twitter if anyone would like to be in touch.

God bless and many warm cheers.

Sabina

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By: Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/11/interview/comment-page-2/#comment-267356 Deaf Indian Muslim Anarchist! Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:36:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6075#comment-267356 <p><i>Who cares? People are dyin in Haiti you a-holes!</i></p> <p>then why did you even waste your time commenting on an article about me if you don't care? Go troll somewhere else, a-hole.</p> Who cares? People are dyin in Haiti you a-holes!

then why did you even waste your time commenting on an article about me if you don’t care? Go troll somewhere else, a-hole.

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By: Fiznick http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/11/interview/comment-page-2/#comment-267355 Fiznick Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:25:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6075#comment-267355 <p>Who cares? People are dyin in Haiti you a-holes!</p> Who cares? People are dyin in Haiti you a-holes!

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By: Free Stree http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/11/interview/comment-page-2/#comment-267354 Free Stree Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:20:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6075#comment-267354 <blockquote>I also think that as with any Indian custom, the one of women covering their head is also specific to certain regions and not just a question of the village vs the metro. I know that in the rural community that i visited as a child, you didn't see hindu women covering their head, and these people were very conservative and traditional, its just that this custom was not part of their tradition.</blockquote> <p>It's very common in Haryana, UP, Rajasthan and even some areas of both Old and New Delhi.</p> <blockquote>Have you ever met a Hindu woman in a job requiring a degree of education (spectrum ranging from clerk/secretary to CEO) in a pallu? Have you ever met a second gen Hindu girl in a pallu? An English speaking one?</blockquote> <p>Yes. That is one of the things that females who were born, bred and educated in Delhi (even with some sort of college degree such as teacher or bank manager, both speaking English) find difficult about moving to their in-laws homes in small towns and villages that surround the area.</p> <p>Sometimes they are even required not to use their degrees and work, but to stay home, and work in the house. Even if the family they marry into "allows" them to work, they are expected to perform their "duties" at home as well, which are burdensome.</p> <p>It's very difficult for these young women to adjust in these situations and the ones I have met were extremely unhappy.</p> I also think that as with any Indian custom, the one of women covering their head is also specific to certain regions and not just a question of the village vs the metro. I know that in the rural community that i visited as a child, you didn’t see hindu women covering their head, and these people were very conservative and traditional, its just that this custom was not part of their tradition.

It’s very common in Haryana, UP, Rajasthan and even some areas of both Old and New Delhi.

Have you ever met a Hindu woman in a job requiring a degree of education (spectrum ranging from clerk/secretary to CEO) in a pallu? Have you ever met a second gen Hindu girl in a pallu? An English speaking one?

Yes. That is one of the things that females who were born, bred and educated in Delhi (even with some sort of college degree such as teacher or bank manager, both speaking English) find difficult about moving to their in-laws homes in small towns and villages that surround the area.

Sometimes they are even required not to use their degrees and work, but to stay home, and work in the house. Even if the family they marry into “allows” them to work, they are expected to perform their “duties” at home as well, which are burdensome.

It’s very difficult for these young women to adjust in these situations and the ones I have met were extremely unhappy.

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By: Lupus Solitarius http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/11/interview/comment-page-2/#comment-267353 Lupus Solitarius Thu, 14 Jan 2010 20:44:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6075#comment-267353 <p>I had mentioned that I found it uncomfortable interacting with women wearing the Hijab. Pallo asked me if I felt the same way when I met Hindu women wearing the Pallu which covered their heads (and perhaps their faces too). Here are my thoughts: 1.In many different societies, religious and societal traditions and pressures are used to curb individual freedom. I sympathise with the people who are forced to confirm to these against their will. And I feel happy that things have changed to a point that the women in my family and families like mine do not have to submit to these regressive practices. The last generation (in my family) that experienced some of these gender based restrictions was that of my great grand mother. 2. It is odd that I am asked about my views on the Pallu in a discussion about the Hijab, almost implying that <b>a)</b> Being a non Muslim, I cannot express my views on the Hijab without also including a criticism of practices from my own religion, even though they may not be analogous or relevant to the argument, and <b>b)</b> My problem with the Hijab is due to a religious bias, and questioning my views on the Pallu would highlight the hypocrisy of my opinion. Again, this is not about religion bashing. It is the regressive mindset that seems to reduce men to sexual suspects that I cannot stand. 3. Most of the Pallu/ Purdah stuff that I have seen in India is in the villages and small towns. If it happens in the bigger cities, it is amongst the recent migrants. Education and social mobility seems to cure it. Of course people here might ask me for statistics and give anecdotal evidences against my arguments,but of the 25 years that I lived in India,I came across just one instance of a educated, middle class Hindu woman observing it in a big city, and that family is considered somewhat of an oddity.</p> <p>4.</p> <blockquote>It is indeed disturbing. Perhaps moreso than the burka because educated Hindus like to present themselves as "progressive" and "forward thinking"</blockquote> <p>Hindu families that consider themselves forward thinking and progressive never keep their women in pallus. Have you ever met a Hindu woman in a job requiring a degree of education (spectrum ranging from clerk/secretary to CEO) in a pallu? Have you ever met a second gen Hindu girl in a pallu? An English speaking one?</p> I had mentioned that I found it uncomfortable interacting with women wearing the Hijab. Pallo asked me if I felt the same way when I met Hindu women wearing the Pallu which covered their heads (and perhaps their faces too). Here are my thoughts: 1.In many different societies, religious and societal traditions and pressures are used to curb individual freedom. I sympathise with the people who are forced to confirm to these against their will. And I feel happy that things have changed to a point that the women in my family and families like mine do not have to submit to these regressive practices. The last generation (in my family) that experienced some of these gender based restrictions was that of my great grand mother. 2. It is odd that I am asked about my views on the Pallu in a discussion about the Hijab, almost implying that a) Being a non Muslim, I cannot express my views on the Hijab without also including a criticism of practices from my own religion, even though they may not be analogous or relevant to the argument, and b) My problem with the Hijab is due to a religious bias, and questioning my views on the Pallu would highlight the hypocrisy of my opinion. Again, this is not about religion bashing. It is the regressive mindset that seems to reduce men to sexual suspects that I cannot stand. 3. Most of the Pallu/ Purdah stuff that I have seen in India is in the villages and small towns. If it happens in the bigger cities, it is amongst the recent migrants. Education and social mobility seems to cure it. Of course people here might ask me for statistics and give anecdotal evidences against my arguments,but of the 25 years that I lived in India,I came across just one instance of a educated, middle class Hindu woman observing it in a big city, and that family is considered somewhat of an oddity.

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It is indeed disturbing. Perhaps moreso than the burka because educated Hindus like to present themselves as “progressive” and “forward thinking”

Hindu families that consider themselves forward thinking and progressive never keep their women in pallus. Have you ever met a Hindu woman in a job requiring a degree of education (spectrum ranging from clerk/secretary to CEO) in a pallu? Have you ever met a second gen Hindu girl in a pallu? An English speaking one?

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By: Desi in DC http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/11/interview/comment-page-2/#comment-267352 Desi in DC Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:54:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6075#comment-267352 <p>Free Stree</p> <p>I also think that as with any Indian custom, the one of women covering their head is also specific to certain regions and not just a question of the village vs the metro. I know that in the rural community that i visited as a child, you didn't see hindu women covering their head, and these people were very conservative and traditional, its just that this custom was not part of their tradition.</p> Free Stree

I also think that as with any Indian custom, the one of women covering their head is also specific to certain regions and not just a question of the village vs the metro. I know that in the rural community that i visited as a child, you didn’t see hindu women covering their head, and these people were very conservative and traditional, its just that this custom was not part of their tradition.

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By: Free Stree http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/11/interview/comment-page-1/#comment-267349 Free Stree Thu, 14 Jan 2010 19:13:51 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6075#comment-267349 <p>I have some family members living in villages back in India. I remember as a child visiting them and pallus were definetly pulled over heads when elder men entered the room, squatting on floor ensued. My mother did not do any of this and I remember their being a mood of "she's a foreigner now, she doesn't know our customs". She was considered "uncultured" in their ways. I think many Desis have family members that are living a wide variety of lifestyles simultaneously. Some of our relatives live in metros, some in villages, and the customs are different in each. Though in "traditional" and dare I say "backwards" families, the pallus will be pulled over head even in the metros.</p> <p>It is indeed disturbing. Perhaps moreso than the burka because educated Hindus like to present themselves as "progressive" and "forward thinking".</p> I have some family members living in villages back in India. I remember as a child visiting them and pallus were definetly pulled over heads when elder men entered the room, squatting on floor ensued. My mother did not do any of this and I remember their being a mood of “she’s a foreigner now, she doesn’t know our customs”. She was considered “uncultured” in their ways. I think many Desis have family members that are living a wide variety of lifestyles simultaneously. Some of our relatives live in metros, some in villages, and the customs are different in each. Though in “traditional” and dare I say “backwards” families, the pallus will be pulled over head even in the metros.

It is indeed disturbing. Perhaps moreso than the burka because educated Hindus like to present themselves as “progressive” and “forward thinking”.

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By: Bathroom Fiqh-sture http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/11/interview/comment-page-1/#comment-267346 Bathroom Fiqh-sture Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:53:20 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6075#comment-267346 <p>Clearly, Mr. Fire, it's not what you present but in how you present it. Don't be coy, you know the science: You typically come across as an armchair acharya/ministerial councilman/elder statesman whose sole purpose is to make sure that if people are trampling Hinduism/reason, they're doing it to your specifications. Additionally, the volume of your posts are indicative of perpetuating an(Sic) ubiquitous presence bathed in unintentional cacemphaton. Because it's a dying world.</p> <p>But look brother, we know you're a learned bloke, but your obiter dictum of the saffron sort (not necessarily a bad thing) is rubbing these secularists and PC hungry liberals the wrong way. I personally like your alacrity and Lincoln-Douglas objicient style retorts. Misdirected backlash is a sign of begrudging respect from young Heglians and occidentalists worldwide so if you're going to play the coy card, make sure that the ochlocracy is sated with a burfee styled quick jab to the neck. Everyone wants to claim co-authorship to the Puranas, but few know how to rock the intonational ephrenomic exertions. Skinheads may claim the blue collar, but blood is still red even if your skin is brown. Desi skins unite!</p> <p>having said that, I still think that the hijab debate is stupid. hijabs are a crutch. so is punk. There's a hole in your mind where nothing exists except fear and loathing of the strange but true, facts that defy your inner intelligence, like man kills himself for something to do.</p> Clearly, Mr. Fire, it’s not what you present but in how you present it. Don’t be coy, you know the science: You typically come across as an armchair acharya/ministerial councilman/elder statesman whose sole purpose is to make sure that if people are trampling Hinduism/reason, they’re doing it to your specifications. Additionally, the volume of your posts are indicative of perpetuating an(Sic) ubiquitous presence bathed in unintentional cacemphaton. Because it’s a dying world.

But look brother, we know you’re a learned bloke, but your obiter dictum of the saffron sort (not necessarily a bad thing) is rubbing these secularists and PC hungry liberals the wrong way. I personally like your alacrity and Lincoln-Douglas objicient style retorts. Misdirected backlash is a sign of begrudging respect from young Heglians and occidentalists worldwide so if you’re going to play the coy card, make sure that the ochlocracy is sated with a burfee styled quick jab to the neck. Everyone wants to claim co-authorship to the Puranas, but few know how to rock the intonational ephrenomic exertions. Skinheads may claim the blue collar, but blood is still red even if your skin is brown. Desi skins unite!

having said that, I still think that the hijab debate is stupid. hijabs are a crutch. so is punk. There’s a hole in your mind where nothing exists except fear and loathing of the strange but true, facts that defy your inner intelligence, like man kills himself for something to do.

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/11/interview/comment-page-1/#comment-267345 Yoga Fire Thu, 14 Jan 2010 15:55:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6075#comment-267345 <blockquote>Also, (maybe for SM Intern) how on earth do you put quote tags in your posts here?</blockquote> <p>[blockquote]blah blah[/blockquote]</p> <p>Only replace the brackets with the greater than and less than signs.</p> Also, (maybe for SM Intern) how on earth do you put quote tags in your posts here?

[blockquote]blah blah[/blockquote]

Only replace the brackets with the greater than and less than signs.

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