Comments on: Flying While Brown Deja Vu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/06/with_news_that/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: naya chand http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/06/with_news_that/comment-page-1/#comment-267157 naya chand Sun, 10 Jan 2010 02:17:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6068#comment-267157 <p>Does anyone in the LA area want to join me tomorrow for a no pants ride on the Metro? (The tie in to the post, I rode the LA Metro the other day, no baggage just a pair of ridiculously skinny jeans which would barely keep any secrets (if u catch my drift and a thin v neck and the police officers still had the nerve to pull me aside.)</p> <p>http://tiny.cc/nopants</p> Does anyone in the LA area want to join me tomorrow for a no pants ride on the Metro? (The tie in to the post, I rode the LA Metro the other day, no baggage just a pair of ridiculously skinny jeans which would barely keep any secrets (if u catch my drift and a thin v neck and the police officers still had the nerve to pull me aside.)

http://tiny.cc/nopants

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/06/with_news_that/comment-page-1/#comment-267037 Rahul Fri, 08 Jan 2010 05:24:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6068#comment-267037 <p>I'm hardly swarthy, razib. And it's true that I'm so fair and Caucasian looking it must be a crime.</p> I’m hardly swarthy, razib. And it’s true that I’m so fair and Caucasian looking it must be a crime.

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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/06/with_news_that/comment-page-1/#comment-267030 razib Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:39:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6068#comment-267030 <p><i>isn't in the lighter skinned 'swarthy' north indians who would be most subject to <em>racial</em> profiling?</i></p> <p>my comment pointing to the fact that "fair and lovely" for an indian (light brown) is a typical "dark arab terrorist" color for populations which really are fair and lovely :=)</p> isn’t in the lighter skinned ‘swarthy’ north indians who would be most subject to racial profiling?

my comment pointing to the fact that “fair and lovely” for an indian (light brown) is a typical “dark arab terrorist” color for populations which really are fair and lovely :=)

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By: razib http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/06/with_news_that/comment-page-1/#comment-267029 razib Fri, 08 Jan 2010 04:38:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6068#comment-267029 <p><i>Another good reason for us desis to use Fair and Lovely</i></p> <p>isn't in the lighter skinned 'swarthy' north indians who would be most subject to <em>racial</em> profiling? in contrast, very dark skinned south asians look more like blacks than arabs.</p> <p>anyway, the biggest issue seems to be sikhs, not muslims. pointing to the importance of dress. my parents are practicing brown muslims but they don't "dress muslim," and have admitted to their bangladeshi relatives that it was really their sikh acquaintances who got the most crap after 9/11.</p> Another good reason for us desis to use Fair and Lovely

isn’t in the lighter skinned ‘swarthy’ north indians who would be most subject to racial profiling? in contrast, very dark skinned south asians look more like blacks than arabs.

anyway, the biggest issue seems to be sikhs, not muslims. pointing to the importance of dress. my parents are practicing brown muslims but they don’t “dress muslim,” and have admitted to their bangladeshi relatives that it was really their sikh acquaintances who got the most crap after 9/11.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/06/with_news_that/comment-page-1/#comment-267027 Rahul Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:38:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6068#comment-267027 <p>So.. DOMA was signed by Clinton, the Stupak amendment featuring the biggest expansion of Federal intrusion into abortion might be approved by Obama, and Obama has also finally opened the door to sanctioned racial profiling as a policy in the US. God, no wonder we need someone as terrible as a Bush to make us realize why minorities are supposed to like the Dems better in power.</p> So.. DOMA was signed by Clinton, the Stupak amendment featuring the biggest expansion of Federal intrusion into abortion might be approved by Obama, and Obama has also finally opened the door to sanctioned racial profiling as a policy in the US. God, no wonder we need someone as terrible as a Bush to make us realize why minorities are supposed to like the Dems better in power.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/06/with_news_that/comment-page-1/#comment-267026 Rahul Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:23:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6068#comment-267026 <p>Another good reason for us desis to use Fair and Lovely. Of course, I've never needed it because I am naturally light-skinned and have immaculate Caucasian features. Not that there's anything wrong with being otherwise.</p> Another good reason for us desis to use Fair and Lovely. Of course, I’ve never needed it because I am naturally light-skinned and have immaculate Caucasian features. Not that there’s anything wrong with being otherwise.

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By: GujuDude http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/06/with_news_that/comment-page-1/#comment-267025 GujuDude Fri, 08 Jan 2010 03:20:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6068#comment-267025 <p>I've been a very active traveller the past seven years, primarily domestic, and haven't had one problem yet. Flew on Christmas day and a few days back, didn't see any changes/issues either. My former boss had a last name "Smith" and first name as common as they come as well was on the "watch list". Michael Yon, a prominent journalist, was recently<a href="http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/01/ex-green_beret_and_war_corresp.php"> handcuffed by the customs and border protection folks</a> for not answering how much income he made when arriving in the United States.</p> <p>Either way, the overall professionalism shown by some personnel from certain agencies is lacking. None of the "new" measures the various countries or airlines are instituting will have any real measurable impact on preventing attacks other than simply making life harder for the regular folks brown or otherwise. Dude's father tells the government his son is up to no good, yet that somehow gets lost in bureaucratic bullshit.</p> <p><a href="http://www.thestar.com/iphone/news/world/article/744199---israelification-high-security-little-bother">Here's how the Israel's set-up is...</a> Either way, if anyone is pro/con Israel, I hope they leave it out of the thread. The reason I referenced this article is to point out we still haven't reached a point where we've trained the system to look for behavioural clues and addressed logistics at airports to ensure risk to any other soft target at airports (like screening areas) is minimised.</p> I’ve been a very active traveller the past seven years, primarily domestic, and haven’t had one problem yet. Flew on Christmas day and a few days back, didn’t see any changes/issues either. My former boss had a last name “Smith” and first name as common as they come as well was on the “watch list”. Michael Yon, a prominent journalist, was recently handcuffed by the customs and border protection folks for not answering how much income he made when arriving in the United States.

Either way, the overall professionalism shown by some personnel from certain agencies is lacking. None of the “new” measures the various countries or airlines are instituting will have any real measurable impact on preventing attacks other than simply making life harder for the regular folks brown or otherwise. Dude’s father tells the government his son is up to no good, yet that somehow gets lost in bureaucratic bullshit.

Here’s how the Israel’s set-up is… Either way, if anyone is pro/con Israel, I hope they leave it out of the thread. The reason I referenced this article is to point out we still haven’t reached a point where we’ve trained the system to look for behavioural clues and addressed logistics at airports to ensure risk to any other soft target at airports (like screening areas) is minimised.

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By: conflation http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/06/with_news_that/comment-page-1/#comment-267023 conflation Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:56:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6068#comment-267023 <blockquote> <p>Consider the analogy: While the Indians are busy screening the Arabs and UK whites, hundreds of nonwhite Americans can tapdance their way through customs wearing their Strictly 4 my NAMBLAz t-shirts.</p> </blockquote> <p>Sure, but that is a different point -- it is an observation about the screen, and what it can catch.</p> <p>I was talking about what browns/whites should do, <b>given</b> a screen that catches them a lot, as it tries to isolate some weirdos who happen to be mostly brown/white. All the browns/whites getting together and making a big noise is not the answer, as it will only create/reinforce the stereotype of <b>all</b> browns/whites being weirdos. It is a counterproductive proposal.</p> <p>You can talk about more optimised screens, for instance there is a lot of talk now about the way Israel interviews passengers quickly, and how they haven't had any issues all these years, even though they are targeted more than the US. But that is a wider discussion, and not strictly a Desi one. Of course, if they have a better and focused screen, it would help Desis more than others. So maybe we should think of how we could help make the screen settle on just the weirdos, and ignore others. Instead of exhortations to rise up and signal the white house.</p>

Consider the analogy: While the Indians are busy screening the Arabs and UK whites, hundreds of nonwhite Americans can tapdance their way through customs wearing their Strictly 4 my NAMBLAz t-shirts.

Sure, but that is a different point — it is an observation about the screen, and what it can catch.

I was talking about what browns/whites should do, given a screen that catches them a lot, as it tries to isolate some weirdos who happen to be mostly brown/white. All the browns/whites getting together and making a big noise is not the answer, as it will only create/reinforce the stereotype of all browns/whites being weirdos. It is a counterproductive proposal.

You can talk about more optimised screens, for instance there is a lot of talk now about the way Israel interviews passengers quickly, and how they haven’t had any issues all these years, even though they are targeted more than the US. But that is a wider discussion, and not strictly a Desi one. Of course, if they have a better and focused screen, it would help Desis more than others. So maybe we should think of how we could help make the screen settle on just the weirdos, and ignore others. Instead of exhortations to rise up and signal the white house.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/06/with_news_that/comment-page-1/#comment-267021 Rahul Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:01:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6068#comment-267021 <blockquote>Consider the analogy: While the Indians are busy screening the Arabs and UK whites, hundreds of nonwhite Americans can tapdance their way through customs wearing their Strictly 4 my NAMBLAz t-shirts. </blockquote> <p>Mr. X, everybody knows only whites wear NAMBLA T-shirts.</p> Consider the analogy: While the Indians are busy screening the Arabs and UK whites, hundreds of nonwhite Americans can tapdance their way through customs wearing their Strictly 4 my NAMBLAz t-shirts.

Mr. X, everybody knows only whites wear NAMBLA T-shirts.

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By: Mr. X http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2010/01/06/with_news_that/comment-page-1/#comment-267020 Mr. X Fri, 08 Jan 2010 01:00:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6068#comment-267020 <p>conflation, Consider the analogy: While the Indians are busy screening the Arabs and UK whites, hundreds of nonwhite Americans can tapdance their way through customs wearing their <i>Strictly 4 my NAMBLAz</i> t-shirts.</p> conflation, Consider the analogy: While the Indians are busy screening the Arabs and UK whites, hundreds of nonwhite Americans can tapdance their way through customs wearing their Strictly 4 my NAMBLAz t-shirts.

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