Comments on: Are vigilant parents the first line of defense? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/12/10/are_vigilant_pa/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: JJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/12/10/are_vigilant_pa/comment-page-2/#comment-265736 JJ Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:07:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6045#comment-265736 <p>Asking parents to be vigilant worked in this case, but it's not the only answer. Consider the case of <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Mansoor-Peerbhoy-An-unlikely-jihadi-he-shows-no-remorse/articleshow/3567756.cms">Md. Mansoor Peerbhoy</a> who was a regular guy last I saw him. Apparently, Arabic lessons were an important component of turning him to the dark side - and he travelled to the USA to learn Arabic. Seems it would help to look into the Arabic tutors for anyone found working for the bad guys.</p> Asking parents to be vigilant worked in this case, but it’s not the only answer. Consider the case of Md. Mansoor Peerbhoy who was a regular guy last I saw him. Apparently, Arabic lessons were an important component of turning him to the dark side – and he travelled to the USA to learn Arabic. Seems it would help to look into the Arabic tutors for anyone found working for the bad guys.

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By: The Masculinist Movement http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/12/10/are_vigilant_pa/comment-page-2/#comment-265728 The Masculinist Movement Wed, 16 Dec 2009 03:53:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6045#comment-265728 <p>Regular old UK courts are now allowing non-muslim British citizens to cite Shariah law in their defence during DIVORCE proceedings.</p> <p>There are some men in America connected with MRA (Men's Rights Activism) who hope to introduce the same here so that they won't have to pay alimony and so they will get automatic custody of their kids.</p> <p>Google it.</p> <p>I'm all linked out.</p> Regular old UK courts are now allowing non-muslim British citizens to cite Shariah law in their defence during DIVORCE proceedings.

There are some men in America connected with MRA (Men’s Rights Activism) who hope to introduce the same here so that they won’t have to pay alimony and so they will get automatic custody of their kids.

Google it.

I’m all linked out.

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By: Yoga Fire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/12/10/are_vigilant_pa/comment-page-2/#comment-265709 Yoga Fire Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:17:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6045#comment-265709 <blockquote>This also is one of the reason the BNP is getting more popular in England.</blockquote> <p>I think British liberals are mortified of anything resembling Tatcherism, but by consigning the Tories to the wilderness they only ended up empowering the fringes.</p> This also is one of the reason the BNP is getting more popular in England.

I think British liberals are mortified of anything resembling Tatcherism, but by consigning the Tories to the wilderness they only ended up empowering the fringes.

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By: Suki Dillon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/12/10/are_vigilant_pa/comment-page-2/#comment-265701 Suki Dillon Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:11:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6045#comment-265701 <p><i>One of the worst things that happened in the past was that whenever anybody tried to confront what was happening inside the Muslim community in Britain, they were slandered as being 'Islamophobic' and prejudiced......don't allow that to happen. The consequences in not standing up to Islamism are disastrous, as a social practise and as an ideology.</i></p> <p>The good news is that most of the other countries in Europe and are not weak like England when it comes to this problem. England on the other hand is gonna have major racial issues in the next few decades due this problem. And sadly other desi''s are gonna be stuck in the middle.</p> <p>This also is one of the reason the BNP is getting more popular in England.</p> One of the worst things that happened in the past was that whenever anybody tried to confront what was happening inside the Muslim community in Britain, they were slandered as being ‘Islamophobic’ and prejudiced……don’t allow that to happen. The consequences in not standing up to Islamism are disastrous, as a social practise and as an ideology.

The good news is that most of the other countries in Europe and are not weak like England when it comes to this problem. England on the other hand is gonna have major racial issues in the next few decades due this problem. And sadly other desi”s are gonna be stuck in the middle.

This also is one of the reason the BNP is getting more popular in England.

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By: A http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/12/10/are_vigilant_pa/comment-page-2/#comment-265554 A Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:20:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6045#comment-265554 <p>Wow UK's strategy to narrow down terrorists is known to everyone now. Thanks Akash. How did you find it out?</p> Wow UK’s strategy to narrow down terrorists is known to everyone now. Thanks Akash. How did you find it out?

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By: Akash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/12/10/are_vigilant_pa/comment-page-2/#comment-265553 Akash Mon, 14 Dec 2009 02:10:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6045#comment-265553 <blockquote>No, I mean why are we profiling people like me, just because these guys are alleged to be bad?</blockquote> <p>'Super Freakonomics' has some interesting data on terrorists. According to the authors, in UK most of the arrested terrorist suspects had muslim names. A person with niether first nor last muslim name had 1 in 500,000 of being a suspect terrorist. The person with first or last muslim name had a chance of 1 in 30,000. The person with both first & last muslim name had a chnace of 1 in 2,000 of being a suspect terrorist. They were predominantly men, commonly between the age group of 26 to 35. Who did own a mobile phone, is a student & lived in a rented place. They would be unlikely to have an savings account or withdraw money from an ATM during Friday afternoon & never had a life insurance (since life insurance does not pay if the person commits suicide) Using all these variables UK(The actual name of the person who came up with this is not specified for security reasons) has apparently came up with an algorithm to identify the terrorists based on the banking activities done by them. Out of the millions of bank customers it narrowed the search to 30 persons out of which at least 5 were involved in terrorist activities. Yes, it is profiling but when the data supports it what can you do? (Interested readers may find more info in the book Super Freakonomics - cahpter 2)</p> <p>Also they point out that the analysis of Lebanese and Palestine suicide bombers show that they are less likely to come from poor families & have at least high school education. Terrorists are more likely to come from well-educated, middle-class or high income families.</p> <p>They don't have any analysis of the parents of terrorists though.</p> No, I mean why are we profiling people like me, just because these guys are alleged to be bad?

‘Super Freakonomics’ has some interesting data on terrorists. According to the authors, in UK most of the arrested terrorist suspects had muslim names. A person with niether first nor last muslim name had 1 in 500,000 of being a suspect terrorist. The person with first or last muslim name had a chance of 1 in 30,000. The person with both first & last muslim name had a chnace of 1 in 2,000 of being a suspect terrorist. They were predominantly men, commonly between the age group of 26 to 35. Who did own a mobile phone, is a student & lived in a rented place. They would be unlikely to have an savings account or withdraw money from an ATM during Friday afternoon & never had a life insurance (since life insurance does not pay if the person commits suicide) Using all these variables UK(The actual name of the person who came up with this is not specified for security reasons) has apparently came up with an algorithm to identify the terrorists based on the banking activities done by them. Out of the millions of bank customers it narrowed the search to 30 persons out of which at least 5 were involved in terrorist activities. Yes, it is profiling but when the data supports it what can you do? (Interested readers may find more info in the book Super Freakonomics – cahpter 2)

Also they point out that the analysis of Lebanese and Palestine suicide bombers show that they are less likely to come from poor families & have at least high school education. Terrorists are more likely to come from well-educated, middle-class or high income families.

They don’t have any analysis of the parents of terrorists though.

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By: delurker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/12/10/are_vigilant_pa/comment-page-2/#comment-265546 delurker Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:32:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6045#comment-265546 <p>There is some evidence out there that these 5 were just a bunch of losers rather than hardcore jihadists (though those aren't mutually exclusive). I guess time will tell the whole story...</p> <p>http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/12/talk_to_ji-hand.php?ref=fpblg</p> There is some evidence out there that these 5 were just a bunch of losers rather than hardcore jihadists (though those aren’t mutually exclusive). I guess time will tell the whole story…

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/12/talk_to_ji-hand.php?ref=fpblg

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By: toni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/12/10/are_vigilant_pa/comment-page-2/#comment-265542 toni Sun, 13 Dec 2009 19:10:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6045#comment-265542 <p>One of the worst things that happened in the past was that whenever anybody tried to confront what was happening inside the Muslim community in Britain, they were slandered as being 'Islamophobic' and prejudiced......don't allow that to happen. The consequences in not standing up to Islamism are disastrous, as a social practise and as an ideology.</p> <p>The other thing is, so often the response of those around the terrorists is one of surprise.....they can't believe that they conspired to do this.....but it turns out that they didn't see any signs because they themselves were in an atmospherics full of casual demonisation, hate mongering, and they grew with these as their legitimate parameters, so they didn't see anything unusual in the attitudes of the men themselves.</p> <p>Muslims have to stand up and be counted. They have to call out the ideology of supremacism, separatism and hatred. And everyone else has to facilitate the ideological confronting of this dogma, and not allow it to be given a free pass in the name of cultural inhibition.</p> One of the worst things that happened in the past was that whenever anybody tried to confront what was happening inside the Muslim community in Britain, they were slandered as being ‘Islamophobic’ and prejudiced……don’t allow that to happen. The consequences in not standing up to Islamism are disastrous, as a social practise and as an ideology.

The other thing is, so often the response of those around the terrorists is one of surprise…..they can’t believe that they conspired to do this…..but it turns out that they didn’t see any signs because they themselves were in an atmospherics full of casual demonisation, hate mongering, and they grew with these as their legitimate parameters, so they didn’t see anything unusual in the attitudes of the men themselves.

Muslims have to stand up and be counted. They have to call out the ideology of supremacism, separatism and hatred. And everyone else has to facilitate the ideological confronting of this dogma, and not allow it to be given a free pass in the name of cultural inhibition.

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By: toni http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/12/10/are_vigilant_pa/comment-page-2/#comment-265541 toni Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:59:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6045#comment-265541 <p>Americans, pray that this is an aberration and not what we have been seeing in the UK for the last 8 years or so - systematic propagation of extremist ideology amongst young Muslim men and the practise of jihadism by young Muslim men. This has severely torn at the fabric of life and community relations in Britain. Don't dismiss it as an impossibility (like some Americans did, comparing American Muslims to British Muslims "The London suicide bombers could never happen here") --- it can! Its a virus of hatred, a virus of hateful, murderous, supremacist ideology that will cause misery and damage to society -- challenge the hateful atmospherics wherever you find it!</p> Americans, pray that this is an aberration and not what we have been seeing in the UK for the last 8 years or so – systematic propagation of extremist ideology amongst young Muslim men and the practise of jihadism by young Muslim men. This has severely torn at the fabric of life and community relations in Britain. Don’t dismiss it as an impossibility (like some Americans did, comparing American Muslims to British Muslims “The London suicide bombers could never happen here”) — it can! Its a virus of hatred, a virus of hateful, murderous, supremacist ideology that will cause misery and damage to society — challenge the hateful atmospherics wherever you find it!

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By: Gustavo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/12/10/are_vigilant_pa/comment-page-2/#comment-265537 Gustavo Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:00:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6045#comment-265537 <p>Islam's contributions to Indian culture and civilization are immense.</p> <p>Islam was a hybrid civilization that amalgamated the cultures of the Hellenistic and Byzantine Near East, Iran, India, and other cultures.</p> <p>Most Muslims on the subcontinent are not descendants of Arab traders or Turkmen from Central Asia. The vast majority are merely descendants of former Hindus.</p> <p>The rise of Christianity in India among some communities of Indians is the same reason why Indians converted to Islam.</p> <p>Islam was during the medieval period at the apex of human civilization, Hinduism was recovering from the Jain-Buddhist religious revolution which questioned and challenged the Dharmic traditions.</p> <p>Now South Asians are converting to Christianity because Western civilization is now at the apex of human civilization. Even rising Asian economies like India owe their own achievements to Western civilization and accomplishments.</p> <p>@Armando,</p> <p>I'm Mexican and Afghan. I know what I am, I rejected Islamism and forms of Muslim chauvinism that see the West and India as threats to the Muslim "Ummah" (community of believers).</p> <p>Being a Muslim in America, many of the imams are Punjabi Pakistanis, with it comes their own cultural baggage.</p> <p>I have my own cultural baggage, I don't deny my own biases.</p> <p>However, Pakistan and Afghanistan have an intimate but contentious relationship.</p> <p>Afghans basically reject Pakistan because a sizable portion of the country which is deemed "the ungovernable tribal region" is the "heart of Afghanistan."</p> <p>We see ourselves as the "Palestinians of South Asia." India also has issues with frontier tribal minority groups like the Naga, where Christian terrorism has been employed against New Delhi and they have used Bangladesh as a base to wage attacks against the Indian state.</p> <p>Communalism is the hallmark of South Asia, Muslim or Hindu or Buddhist majority country, doesn't matter.</p> <p>Considering I have family in the "core South Asian" countries of Pakistan and India, when it comes to Muslim issues, considering my encounter with Islam is confined to mostly Desi encounters, I think I have say in the issue about young South Asian men in this country throwing away their education for the delusions of triumphal "jihad" against Amrika and Hindustan.</p> Islam’s contributions to Indian culture and civilization are immense.

Islam was a hybrid civilization that amalgamated the cultures of the Hellenistic and Byzantine Near East, Iran, India, and other cultures.

Most Muslims on the subcontinent are not descendants of Arab traders or Turkmen from Central Asia. The vast majority are merely descendants of former Hindus.

The rise of Christianity in India among some communities of Indians is the same reason why Indians converted to Islam.

Islam was during the medieval period at the apex of human civilization, Hinduism was recovering from the Jain-Buddhist religious revolution which questioned and challenged the Dharmic traditions.

Now South Asians are converting to Christianity because Western civilization is now at the apex of human civilization. Even rising Asian economies like India owe their own achievements to Western civilization and accomplishments.

@Armando,

I’m Mexican and Afghan. I know what I am, I rejected Islamism and forms of Muslim chauvinism that see the West and India as threats to the Muslim “Ummah” (community of believers).

Being a Muslim in America, many of the imams are Punjabi Pakistanis, with it comes their own cultural baggage.

I have my own cultural baggage, I don’t deny my own biases.

However, Pakistan and Afghanistan have an intimate but contentious relationship.

Afghans basically reject Pakistan because a sizable portion of the country which is deemed “the ungovernable tribal region” is the “heart of Afghanistan.”

We see ourselves as the “Palestinians of South Asia.” India also has issues with frontier tribal minority groups like the Naga, where Christian terrorism has been employed against New Delhi and they have used Bangladesh as a base to wage attacks against the Indian state.

Communalism is the hallmark of South Asia, Muslim or Hindu or Buddhist majority country, doesn’t matter.

Considering I have family in the “core South Asian” countries of Pakistan and India, when it comes to Muslim issues, considering my encounter with Islam is confined to mostly Desi encounters, I think I have say in the issue about young South Asian men in this country throwing away their education for the delusions of triumphal “jihad” against Amrika and Hindustan.

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