Seriously, off on an American holiday in America. It is part of the job.

You seem to think that employers hiring people to work in offices in California shouldn’t have to follow American and Californian labor laws for how they treat these people as long as their headquarters are in India. That makes no sense.

“Your country” So you are American? I know where those feelings come from.

oooh? you guys wrote the database doing trillions of transactions? guess not.. oh your baby is looking a lot less glamorous now. CMM5? yeah yet another tool these companies use to mask their core incompetencies and MCA graduate armies.. yawn, is jargon all you have? tell me the # of shrink wrapped software or even enterprise software you guys have written, being IT superpower and all?

Sorry I can’t get through to marketing types with what Production system for a big telco would mean. Any rookie Techie would put the transaction count at around a billion. Then again why should I feel sorry for your ignorance?

well atleast not a slave like you. Guess all you want. Right about rural India H1bs. Fakes resumes can get you anywhere.

Again, cut the hyperbole. Slaves don’t make 6 lkh Rs pa 2 years out of college. Also they don’t get paid for no work. Indian techies on bench do – months at a time. Slaves are usually quite frustrated people though….. consider Rob who got told to walk out of the cubicle he has been in for several years with all his belongings in a box, because his job has been outsourced to Raj, in Bangalore

oh yeah. I am working on my interstellar mission too.

Learn to brush with your left hand first.

Yes, lets do away with this ‘capitalist exploitation’ as the Arundhati Roy camp calls it, and forego the trillion dollar profits.

rrrighht..”crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you. may history forget that ye were our countrymen.”

ooh, trillion dollars profits? You mean your country’s entire GDP, almost, comes from IT? lay off the exaggeration, shall we?

I am sure that will be hedging our bets against future enslavement

living in fear, arent we?

Lets just say the heat produces Damascus steel, an industry with the highest number of CMM 5 certified organizations in the world (America is second) Highest number of winners of the prestigious Deming Prize. Oh, and it does produce software too, my baby (my team’s baby actually) is running on telco production databases billing transactions

oooh? you guys wrote the database doing trillions of transactions? guess not.. oh your baby is looking a lot less glamorous now. CMM5? yeah yet another tool these companies use to mask their core incompetencies and MCA graduate armies.. yawn, is jargon all you have? tell me the # of shrink wrapped software or even enterprise software you guys have written, being IT superpower and all?

of a hundred thousand idle american teenagers (the production rollout for ‘The youth bundle’) who don’t have anything better to do than talk long hours about their sex lives. Long life to them.

Riiight.. oh forget that. everyone knows that Infosys and their likes wrote Unix, MacOs, C++, C#, Java, Oracle, SAP, MySQL, Linux.. pretty much all software comes from the Indian labs and american teenager types only go on to write bad applicaiton code using all these.. in any programming bulletin board you can only see pathetic pleas for help from assignment seeking american teenagers right? “please sir I have project due tomorrow sir very argent sir give me code sir no need to explain sir sir sir sir”. Rrrright?

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For the same reason Carrefour was better off not dissing the Chinese. Because some businessmen are savvy and don’t easily succumb to petty hair trigger calls to patriotism.

It’s called ‘principles’, kiddo..

Yup if a gora gives enough dollars I take it Murthy will spit on the flag too..

As long as Murthy’s company contributes huge amounts to the Indian exchequer as turnover tax, he is a patriot.

As if he has a choice there. Not that he is not trying, fudging expenses of his armies etc..

Nice. What do you do for a living? I am sure its dignified enough for you to share with us. My call is you are one of those ad/marketing gasbags who have no hard skills and raw intelligence beyond some communication skills acquired as part of their privileged upbringing. Jealous that kids from rural India are getting H1Bs while all your dad can buy for you is a student visa.

well atleast not a slave like you. Guess all you want. Right about rural India H1bs. Fakes resumes can get you anywhere.

A large number of banks run their Finacle product. So you ahve one, in the last 10 years.. that too based on oracle right? Oh just like they showcase the GE lab as an example of INDIAN R&D..

They are also working on RFID products oh yeah. I am working on my interstellar mission too.

Please check your facts before you make yourself look like an ass.

ditto, boy, ditto..

If the majority of their income comes from services whats wrong with that? There is a market for it, and they should continue tapping ignoring dogmatic idiots who don’t know the ABCs of economics.

rriight.. thank god prostitution is illegal, otherwise I dunno what you guys might have developed your next ‘service’ on.. not that this is any different..

Yes, lets do away with this ‘capitalist exploitation’ as the Arundhati Roy camp calls it, and forego the trillion dollar profits. I am sure that will be hedging our bets against future enslavement.

Rrriiight.. exactly what does all this ‘heat’ produce? Please dont say ‘software’.

Lets just say the heat produces Damascus steel, an industry with the highest number of CMM 5 certified organizations in the world (America is second) Highest number of winners of the prestigious Deming Prize. Oh, and it does produce software too, my baby (my team’s baby actually) is running on telco production databases billing transactions of a hundred thousand idle american teenagers (the production rollout for ‘The youth bundle’) who don’t have anything better to do than talk long hours about their sex lives. Long life to them.

Yeah, that Murthy guy tried till the national Anthem thing finally exposed his gora-boot-licking attitude.

For the same reason Carrefour was better off not dissing the Chinese. Because some businessmen are savvy and don’t easily succumb to petty hair trigger calls to patriotism. As long as Murthy’s company contributes huge amounts to the Indian exchequer as turnover tax, he is a patriot.

Yup. slaves and slavemasters you are, and you will remain.

Nice. What do you do for a living? I am sure its dignified enough for you to share with us. My call is you are one of those ad/marketing gasbags who have no hard skills and raw intelligence beyond some communication skills acquired as part of their privileged upbringing. Jealous that kids from rural India are getting H1Bs while all your dad can buy for you is a student visa.

If there was any intelligence in the company they could have made products that mattered. No, even after 25 years they cannot, nor do they plan to. They excel in only one thing – cheap pimps who provide ‘consultants’. You dont need much intelligence for that.

A large number of banks run their Finacle product. They are also working on RFID products. Please check your facts before you make yourself look like an ass. If the majority of their income comes from services whats wrong with that? There is a market for it, and they should continue tapping ignoring dogmatic idiots who don’t know the ABCs of economics.

my cousin works for infosys in the UK and his hours are very reasonable. i guess he must be lucky. my friends in american owned IT companies also have to work all hours. best to just become a professor.

There is some truth in things about Phaneesh murthy and the manager like above since Infosys is not serious about having a fair workplace.Infosys is now rotten with politics, no wonder there is a Nandan Nilekani and Pai faction at the top !!

Another instance that I can support this ladys accusation : Infosys cheats their employees with overtime or pager pay.I was one who had 2000 odd dollars to be paid to me for pager and overtime support work but they kept prologing the payment (the said manager above) and finally they said we cant pay !! But they go ahead and bill the customer at a higher rate for overtime.

Another bad practice that infosys and most other companies do is this – For short term travle they bill the customer for the Business class ticket but make the employee take the economy class and pocket the difference.One could say its ok, but then is it fair then to penalize employees who come up with fake bills !! How different are the two ? Especially for a company that mouths all the time how Value oriented their company is. Infosys needs a lot of clean up .

Yeah I agree a Prestige villa might actually be overpaying, unless, ofcourse, the desi company was dealing black money in purchasing it. Indians knew the game quite well, but not the finesse on a larger scale..I guess. Still, Knew a prof once, who had a consulting business on his side, and a somewhat good looking and well-dressed desi (all this in desh only) ladki as one of his staff. Now, say a project is late, and client sends a young engineer (or not so young) to check on the project, and who gets sent for taking the guy to lunch? desis are cheaper, so nothing more than a lunch was needed I guess euro/us ‘consulting’ companies have made this an artform, ever seen the femme fatale ‘consultants of the big five (no not the coding rank and file, but the ones who grab the business? Guess infosys and co will have to recruit heavily from the north and dip into Kingfisher pool for that..

anyways. I guess we both agree that the coder/managers still have a lot of rough edges to polish and cologne to purchase and laddus to eat to sweeten the air and mouth

No comment. Phaneesh is stil married to the same woman – I think. Corporations around the world have unofficial “pools” for client servicing – Indian companies are just learning the game and are not very good at it. American and French companies are absolutely brilliant at it.

In flagrante delictohas been standard operating procedure for several millenia in every sphere of life. welcome to the real world.

i was talking about non desis. Desis are much cheaper – a Prestige villa is over paying

software architect is the latest avatar he’s wearing. good? dont know.

at least IT has “civilized” him

jobs in India. Good jobs – you may not agree with me but jobs were very hard to come by till the late 1990′s Watch a few desi movies from the 70′s 80′ 90′s to see the angst.

yeah, cant dispute that. Had a classmate, a real rouge, goon – violence, politics, drugs, knife-fights, what not. family money ensured an engineering degree in a capitation-fee college, completed in 6 years, barely. Had the 80s-90s continued, he would have ended up feeding off the family money with a bought-school-teacher job in some private engg college. Well, thanks to al this now, software architect is the latest avatar he’s wearing. good? dont know. But I guess that does not matter much in contracting.