Comments on: 1992: What Everyone Already Knew http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/11/24/1992_what_every/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: nevermind http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/11/24/1992_what_every/comment-page-1/#comment-264873 nevermind Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:19:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6025#comment-264873 <p>As a first time visitor to this blog, I would like to know your opinions on whether the thousands of Hindu temples that have been destroyed by Islamic invasions should simply be forgotten ?</p> As a first time visitor to this blog, I would like to know your opinions on whether the thousands of Hindu temples that have been destroyed by Islamic invasions should simply be forgotten ?

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By: JJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/11/24/1992_what_every/comment-page-1/#comment-264451 JJ Fri, 27 Nov 2009 00:14:18 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6025#comment-264451 <blockquote>what about the communal fallout after so much unrest had already been stirred up?</blockquote> <p>You mean that Congress governments both at the Centre and in UP wouldn't have been able to control the situation?</p> <blockquote>and how does opening the doors in 1986 imply demolition in 1992?</blockquote> <p>It doesn't. But that is what changed the status quo that had held since 1949, and is part of the reason why people don't see a difference between the Congress and BJP on the use of religion for political purposes.</p> what about the communal fallout after so much unrest had already been stirred up?

You mean that Congress governments both at the Centre and in UP wouldn’t have been able to control the situation?

and how does opening the doors in 1986 imply demolition in 1992?

It doesn’t. But that is what changed the status quo that had held since 1949, and is part of the reason why people don’t see a difference between the Congress and BJP on the use of religion for political purposes.

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By: perverse http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/11/24/1992_what_every/comment-page-1/#comment-264438 perverse Thu, 26 Nov 2009 22:33:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6025#comment-264438 <blockquote>They would have at most lost a general election or the UP state government. So what? </blockquote> <p>what about the communal fallout after so much unrest had already been stirred up? if the cong decided to delay implementing a seemingly pro-hindu decision after the idiotic bano appeasement.</p> <p>and how does opening the doors in 1986 imply demolition in 1992?</p> They would have at most lost a general election or the UP state government. So what?

what about the communal fallout after so much unrest had already been stirred up? if the cong decided to delay implementing a seemingly pro-hindu decision after the idiotic bano appeasement.

and how does opening the doors in 1986 imply demolition in 1992?

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By: JJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/11/24/1992_what_every/comment-page-1/#comment-264429 JJ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:59:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6025#comment-264429 <blockquote>after the ruckus about bano, do you realize what would have happened if the cong dragged its feet on impleenting a court ruling?</blockquote> <p>They would have at most lost a general election or the UP state government. So what?</p> <p>I'd imagine that the Wakf would have wanted to appeal to the high court against this decision, and throwing open the mosque in an hour preempted that.</p> after the ruckus about bano, do you realize what would have happened if the cong dragged its feet on impleenting a court ruling?

They would have at most lost a general election or the UP state government. So what?

I’d imagine that the Wakf would have wanted to appeal to the high court against this decision, and throwing open the mosque in an hour preempted that.

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By: perverse http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/11/24/1992_what_every/comment-page-1/#comment-264423 perverse Thu, 26 Nov 2009 21:52:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6025#comment-264423 <blockquote>Congress opened the mosque to the VHP</blockquote> <p>what? selective reading? from your link:</p> <blockquote>On page 87 of his report, Mr. Liberhan describes the decision of the Faizabad district judge to unlock the mosque on February 1, 1986. One of the reasons the judge cited was a statement by the District Magistrate which said that the reopening of the mosque would not lead to any law and order problems. According to reports at the time, the Congress leadership, acting through Arun Nehru, ensured that the locks of the mosque were opened within an hour of the Faizabad judge’s ruling.</blockquote> <p>after the ruckus about bano, do you realize what would have happened if the cong dragged its feet on impleenting a court ruling?b</p> Congress opened the mosque to the VHP

what? selective reading? from your link:

On page 87 of his report, Mr. Liberhan describes the decision of the Faizabad district judge to unlock the mosque on February 1, 1986. One of the reasons the judge cited was a statement by the District Magistrate which said that the reopening of the mosque would not lead to any law and order problems. According to reports at the time, the Congress leadership, acting through Arun Nehru, ensured that the locks of the mosque were opened within an hour of the Faizabad judge’s ruling.

after the ruckus about bano, do you realize what would have happened if the cong dragged its feet on impleenting a court ruling?b

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By: JJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/11/24/1992_what_every/comment-page-1/#comment-264320 JJ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:35:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6025#comment-264320 <blockquote>nor did they garner vote banks as a result</blockquote> <p>But in this case, Congress <a href="http://beta.thehindu.com/news/national/article54441.ece">opened the mosque</a> to the VHP after bowing to the Ulema's wishes over Bano. How was this not about getting votes by pacifying both sides of the religious divide?</p> nor did they garner vote banks as a result

But in this case, Congress opened the mosque to the VHP after bowing to the Ulema’s wishes over Bano. How was this not about getting votes by pacifying both sides of the religious divide?

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By: perverse http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/11/24/1992_what_every/comment-page-1/#comment-264316 perverse Thu, 26 Nov 2009 09:01:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6025#comment-264316 <blockquote>Cong - 1984 anti Sikh riots</blockquote> <p>the 1984 murders of sikhs by congress was disgusting and reprehensible, but te congress neither rose to power as a result of those murders nor did they garner vote banks as a result.</p> <p>stirring up ram janmabhoomi, which was donee merely because bjp needed to get some attention, has created open wounds that will take a long time, if ever, to heal.</p> Cong – 1984 anti Sikh riots

the 1984 murders of sikhs by congress was disgusting and reprehensible, but te congress neither rose to power as a result of those murders nor did they garner vote banks as a result.

stirring up ram janmabhoomi, which was donee merely because bjp needed to get some attention, has created open wounds that will take a long time, if ever, to heal.

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By: Akash http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/11/24/1992_what_every/comment-page-1/#comment-264312 Akash Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:42:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6025#comment-264312 <blockquote>the bjp party is led by amoral murderers</blockquote> <p>All the big parties are the same, Cong - 1984 anti Sikh riots, CPM - Nandigram..</p> the bjp party is led by amoral murderers

All the big parties are the same, Cong – 1984 anti Sikh riots, CPM – Nandigram..

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By: perverse http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/11/24/1992_what_every/comment-page-1/#comment-264308 perverse Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:09:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6025#comment-264308 <blockquote>The real question is: Why was this report 'leaked' to the press so that the Govt is forced to table it early on in the winter session?</blockquote> <p>the perversity is in the people who ask this question instead of facing up to the reality that what was always well known is now official - the bjp party is led by amoral murderers who rose to power on the backs of a pliant hindu middle class and a lot of dead bodies.</p> The real question is: Why was this report ‘leaked’ to the press so that the Govt is forced to table it early on in the winter session?

the perversity is in the people who ask this question instead of facing up to the reality that what was always well known is now official – the bjp party is led by amoral murderers who rose to power on the backs of a pliant hindu middle class and a lot of dead bodies.

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By: JJ http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/11/24/1992_what_every/comment-page-1/#comment-264304 JJ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:55:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=6025#comment-264304 <blockquote>So, yes, the report doesn't say a lot that is new, but it does take aim at Vajpayee - where do you think that leaves the BJP? </blockquote> <p>It looks like the Vajpayee issue is <a href="http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Task-force-likely-to-act-on-Liberhan-probe-report/articleshow/5269281.cms">headed to the courts</a>. Kind of explains Liberhan's furious backpedaling yesterday. I'm at a loss to explain how the gentleman can excoriate the media for reporting what he wrote about Vajpayee.</p> So, yes, the report doesn’t say a lot that is new, but it does take aim at Vajpayee – where do you think that leaves the BJP?

It looks like the Vajpayee issue is headed to the courts. Kind of explains Liberhan’s furious backpedaling yesterday. I’m at a loss to explain how the gentleman can excoriate the media for reporting what he wrote about Vajpayee.

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