Comments on: iWatch you http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/10/20/iwatch_you/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Gustavo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/10/20/iwatch_you/comment-page-1/#comment-261724 Gustavo Wed, 11 Nov 2009 18:16:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5991#comment-261724 <p>Bytewords,</p> <p>We live in an age of fear.</p> <p>Terrorism is a reality in South Asia be it from Hindu extremists, Sikh extremists, Christians in Nagaland, or Muslims in Pakistan striking at civilian shops, universities, and military posts in Rawalpindi.</p> <p>Terrorism has rocked India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Bangladesh.</p> <p>If Afghanistan is included as being part of South Asia, terrorism in that country is also an issue.</p> <p>I do not think this is about racial profiling.</p> <p>I am a Muslim of Afghan ancestry, and even from Muslims, you have a right to freedom of speech and assembly, I have heard troubling statements made. However, their comments have not made me so uncomfortable that I would turn them over to the authorities.</p> <p>In America, I don't think al Qaeda has a strong hold or appeal. However, there are people who certainly sympathize with the "Jihadi" gospel which is currently in vogue, one that denounces capitalism, democracy, feminism, and calls for a return to "Muslim empire" in the name of a Sunni caliphate and restrictions of human choice and agency.</p> <p>Sadly, the epicenter of the "war on terror" is not in Iran or the Arab Middle East and North Africa, it is in the subcontinent. The epicenter is in South Asia.</p> Bytewords,

We live in an age of fear.

Terrorism is a reality in South Asia be it from Hindu extremists, Sikh extremists, Christians in Nagaland, or Muslims in Pakistan striking at civilian shops, universities, and military posts in Rawalpindi.

Terrorism has rocked India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Nepal, and Bangladesh.

If Afghanistan is included as being part of South Asia, terrorism in that country is also an issue.

I do not think this is about racial profiling.

I am a Muslim of Afghan ancestry, and even from Muslims, you have a right to freedom of speech and assembly, I have heard troubling statements made. However, their comments have not made me so uncomfortable that I would turn them over to the authorities.

In America, I don’t think al Qaeda has a strong hold or appeal. However, there are people who certainly sympathize with the “Jihadi” gospel which is currently in vogue, one that denounces capitalism, democracy, feminism, and calls for a return to “Muslim empire” in the name of a Sunni caliphate and restrictions of human choice and agency.

Sadly, the epicenter of the “war on terror” is not in Iran or the Arab Middle East and North Africa, it is in the subcontinent. The epicenter is in South Asia.

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By: Suki Dillon http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/10/20/iwatch_you/comment-page-1/#comment-257966 Suki Dillon Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:00:33 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5991#comment-257966 <p><i>I'm so going to use iWatch. to report activities that I find terrorist worthy. Of course what i find terrorist worthy is very different than what law enforcement will consider terrorist related. But they'll have to be the judge of that. </i></p> <p>Hopefully you find this terrorist worthy. This only coming a month after that loser from Denver was arrested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8318708.stm</p> I’m so going to use iWatch. to report activities that I find terrorist worthy. Of course what i find terrorist worthy is very different than what law enforcement will consider terrorist related. But they’ll have to be the judge of that.

Hopefully you find this terrorist worthy. This only coming a month after that loser from Denver was arrested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8318708.stm

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By: GurMando http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/10/20/iwatch_you/comment-page-1/#comment-257945 GurMando Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:36:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5991#comment-257945 <p>http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908200012</p> http://mediamatters.org/mmtv/200908200012

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/10/20/iwatch_you/comment-page-1/#comment-257944 Manju Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:28:58 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5991#comment-257944 <blockquote>Not every liberal is ok with suspending civil liberties in the name of defense or security.</blockquote> <p>exactly, which is why you can't call liberals hypocritical based on the actions of the liberal mayor of LA. Fox news should get the same consideration. Indeed, even if i were to accept your broad definition of hypocrisy, given that the vid was produced by the city of LA, its unclear to me why you're so concerned about foxnews' alleged hypocrisy but not the Democratic party's...for condemning orwellian techniques while simultaneously deploying them.</p> <blockquote>And I am talking about specific talking points by specific anchors or pundits</blockquote> <p>actually, you're not talking specifics. You provided no evidence to substantiate your allegations.</p> Not every liberal is ok with suspending civil liberties in the name of defense or security.

exactly, which is why you can’t call liberals hypocritical based on the actions of the liberal mayor of LA. Fox news should get the same consideration. Indeed, even if i were to accept your broad definition of hypocrisy, given that the vid was produced by the city of LA, its unclear to me why you’re so concerned about foxnews’ alleged hypocrisy but not the Democratic party’s…for condemning orwellian techniques while simultaneously deploying them.

And I am talking about specific talking points by specific anchors or pundits

actually, you’re not talking specifics. You provided no evidence to substantiate your allegations.

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By: GurMando http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/10/20/iwatch_you/comment-page-1/#comment-257941 GurMando Wed, 21 Oct 2009 20:10:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5991#comment-257941 <p>Not every liberal is ok with suspending civil liberties in the name of defense or security. Hell, even Franklin said: Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security</p> <p>And I am talking about specific talking points by specific anchors or pundits, who if you put side by side with past and present clips, completely contradict themselves based on who they support. And it is worse when they claim to be fair and balanced and also hold sway over many followers.</p> Not every liberal is ok with suspending civil liberties in the name of defense or security. Hell, even Franklin said: Those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security

And I am talking about specific talking points by specific anchors or pundits, who if you put side by side with past and present clips, completely contradict themselves based on who they support. And it is worse when they claim to be fair and balanced and also hold sway over many followers.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/10/20/iwatch_you/comment-page-1/#comment-257938 Manju Wed, 21 Oct 2009 19:45:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5991#comment-257938 <blockquote>it's another thing to be completely contradictory based solely on politics. Any cursory viewing of Fox news shows that they go back on their own previous statements all the time.</blockquote> <p>Still, saying "they go back on their own statements" is problematic since "they" don't make statements. If two different individuals within the same organization make contradictory statements is the organization being hypocritical or just diverse?</p> <blockquote>It's one thing to be have differing views on levels of free speech based on feelings of exploitation </blockquote> <p>Now you're justifying the contradiction and that's OK but I fail to see why Fox News shouldn't get the same consideration. After all, national defense, even in liberal thought, is considered a legitimate reason to suspend civil liberties and last i checked the city of LA is run by liberals. Was Lincoln being hypocritical when he freed the slaves while simultaneously suspending habeas corpus?</p> it’s another thing to be completely contradictory based solely on politics. Any cursory viewing of Fox news shows that they go back on their own previous statements all the time.

Still, saying “they go back on their own statements” is problematic since “they” don’t make statements. If two different individuals within the same organization make contradictory statements is the organization being hypocritical or just diverse?

It’s one thing to be have differing views on levels of free speech based on feelings of exploitation

Now you’re justifying the contradiction and that’s OK but I fail to see why Fox News shouldn’t get the same consideration. After all, national defense, even in liberal thought, is considered a legitimate reason to suspend civil liberties and last i checked the city of LA is run by liberals. Was Lincoln being hypocritical when he freed the slaves while simultaneously suspending habeas corpus?

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By: GurMando http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/10/20/iwatch_you/comment-page-1/#comment-257926 GurMando Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:25:00 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5991#comment-257926 <p>It's one thing to be have differing views on levels of free speech based on feelings of exploitation - it's another thing to be completely contradictory based solely on politics. Any cursory viewing of Fox news shows that they go back on their own previous statements all the time. Antiwar protestors ? Hooligans and hippies. Tea Partiers ? Patriots. Criticizing Bush ? Traitorous. Criticizing Obama ? Way ok. I could go on. They simply play with the facts, even posing their editorialism as scientific or historical fact - dangerously 'educating' people about unreal dangers and increasing cynicism on every positive note possible. Just MHO.</p> It’s one thing to be have differing views on levels of free speech based on feelings of exploitation - it’s another thing to be completely contradictory based solely on politics. Any cursory viewing of Fox news shows that they go back on their own previous statements all the time. Antiwar protestors ? Hooligans and hippies. Tea Partiers ? Patriots. Criticizing Bush ? Traitorous. Criticizing Obama ? Way ok. I could go on. They simply play with the facts, even posing their editorialism as scientific or historical fact – dangerously ‘educating’ people about unreal dangers and increasing cynicism on every positive note possible. Just MHO.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/10/20/iwatch_you/comment-page-1/#comment-257916 Manju Wed, 21 Oct 2009 16:48:31 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5991#comment-257916 <p>re hypocrisy: the problem with the hypocrisy charge is that it relies on a vaguely Mccarthyistic guilt by association logic. All large movements are susceptible to hypocrisy charges because they contain diversity. so for example, we could say feminists are hypocrites because they speak of freedom of speech yet simultaneously want to ban porn. the problem with that argument is that not all feminists want to ban porn, and those who do, say catherine mckinnon and andrea dworkin, often do not speak of free speech but rather mock opponents as free speech fundamentalists. in order to substantiate the argument you'd have to find an individual feminist who advocates both positions simultaneously, as oppossed to merely pointing out 2 contradictory positions within a diverse movement. I fail to see why fox news shouldn't get the same consideration.</p> re hypocrisy: the problem with the hypocrisy charge is that it relies on a vaguely Mccarthyistic guilt by association logic. All large movements are susceptible to hypocrisy charges because they contain diversity. so for example, we could say feminists are hypocrites because they speak of freedom of speech yet simultaneously want to ban porn. the problem with that argument is that not all feminists want to ban porn, and those who do, say catherine mckinnon and andrea dworkin, often do not speak of free speech but rather mock opponents as free speech fundamentalists. in order to substantiate the argument you’d have to find an individual feminist who advocates both positions simultaneously, as oppossed to merely pointing out 2 contradictory positions within a diverse movement. I fail to see why fox news shouldn’t get the same consideration.

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By: bytewords http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/10/20/iwatch_you/comment-page-1/#comment-257858 bytewords Wed, 21 Oct 2009 12:10:42 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5991#comment-257858 <blockquote>The bringing in of the desi aunty to say "my community" is just a slap in the face.</blockquote> <p>since of course we desis are terrorists... the experts know better. oh wait, there hasn't been a desi terrorist yet---but why wait? screw those job stealing macacas!!!!</p> <p>maybe i should turn this site in? i am sure the experts know better.. grrrr</p> The bringing in of the desi aunty to say “my community” is just a slap in the face.

since of course we desis are terrorists… the experts know better. oh wait, there hasn’t been a desi terrorist yet—but why wait? screw those job stealing macacas!!!!

maybe i should turn this site in? i am sure the experts know better.. grrrr

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By: Meera http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/10/20/iwatch_you/comment-page-1/#comment-257838 Meera Wed, 21 Oct 2009 11:00:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5991#comment-257838 <p>'Creepy' doesn't do this justice -- it's really horrifying, especially the mobilization of private citizens as agents of the state for the sake of depriving each other of the most basic of freedoms (movement, association, speech, etc), all the time spouting that very same rhetoric of 'freedom' as justification. 1984 is here, indeed. I am so very glad I don't live in that crazy country.</p> ‘Creepy’ doesn’t do this justice — it’s really horrifying, especially the mobilization of private citizens as agents of the state for the sake of depriving each other of the most basic of freedoms (movement, association, speech, etc), all the time spouting that very same rhetoric of ‘freedom’ as justification. 1984 is here, indeed. I am so very glad I don’t live in that crazy country.

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