I would love to have that decision on my mind but the current finanaces prevent me from making that decision.

But in the future who knows? I am leaning towards being not nice, but not mean. Just never smiling at them or frowning at them. Just straight business. Maybe I could give them a Christmas card with no money in it(because I already paid them for work why give more), but a nice poem about the holidays and family.

A man can dream, cant he?

how many maids did you mistreat? or was it your parents who did that?

Im not going to point to stats or any powerful source for my opinion, but all I got is experience with the matter.

To be fair, I am sure that being that controlling is more of a psychological issue than a cultural issue.

True, but you can’t assume equality either. My general point is that not all societies are equal, some treat people worse than others (as the slave trade, cultural revolution, holocaust, ukrainian famine demonstrate). But all societies treat some people poorly, as the underlying characteristics that lead to the aforementioned atrocities are human universals. but that still doesn’t mean all cultures are equal, just that they are essentially similar in that they are human societies. i think we agree here.

now to the specific question as to whether south asisn societies are worse than America in the treatment of maids, i don’t suppose i can convince you until i have some data, which i don’t. but if you agree on the general philosophical point then i’ll just declare victory and go home.

No, I don’t think this is bigotry either. But you are using factual events, institutionalized methods of marginalization based on race to support what you are saying. You might also want to throw in statistics on lynchings.

But if you make such an assertion, an American might say, but maybe French didn’t treat African descent people badly b/c there were so few in Africa? How did the French treat the black men, and women in their colonies? The French had a large population of Jews and unfortunately, many in the population joined ranks with the antisemites and aided Germany in sending them to the camps. If there was a large black African population in France, would Vichy France and Germany come together to get specific race laws that included the systemic gassing of Africans? I don’t think what you said was bigoted, but if I was taking the American’s side, I wouldn’t necessarily extrapolate that b/c there was less lynchings in France than in America, and no Jim Crow laws, that that would mean the French were so much more open-minded in race/ethnic relations.

to say all whites are racist is racism. but to say blacks were treated worse in say post-reconstruction south–due to segregation, jim crow, the kkk, etc–in comparison to how they were treated in france for example is not, imo, a statement of bigotry but rather a legit cultural observation. i’d have no problem with a Frenchman telling an American displaying such bigotry to leave his racist american morals at home.

What is white racism? I don’t think all whites are racist? I’ve had more racist taunts from nonwhites.