Comments on: New Data from the World of Genetics: “There is no North-South divide”?

By: DR

DR — Mon, 19 Oct 2009 05:47:13 +0000

@Eurasian Most Hazaras are of Mongoloid origin – have you ever met an Uzbek or a Tajik? (A large portion of Afghanistan is Tajik, while the Pushtuns are only about 60%). Af-Pak has the most diverse gene pool since it has traditionally been the melting pot for cultures (via trade routes) over several centuries.

All said, the Armenian bank manager pulled out her son’s photograph and voila! we had a doppelganger for someone with an Iyer heritage. Not implying I am anything but Magadhan in origin, but just saying.

By: KolaNutTechie

KolaNutTechie — Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:34:41 +0000

Hey Eurasian, I actually agree with most of all you say. Being related to the Chinese I meant overlap with the Mongoloids.

Then again, White people turned Jesus and all the Biblical heroes from being Arab/Sephardic looking to being brown-haired Caucasians. It happens.

A. Hitler’s oil painting of the Mother Mary and Baby Christ from his early years. The Jewish baby Christ could pass for a Dane.

http://globalfire.tv/nj/03en/politics/twoartists.htm

By: Eurasian Sensation

Eurasian Sensation — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:48:03 +0000

@ KolaNutTechie:

But the Finns are also closely related with the Chinese.

Look, the Finns and Sami (Lapps) certainly are derived from Siberian stock and have some features that could be described as Mongoloid. But "closely related with the Chinese" is just silly.

Many southern/southern-eastern Germans show what is called the 'Alpine nose', a crab apple shape nose close to the mongoloid nose. Several have high cheekbones too.

Some East Asians are hairier than others. Is that an indication of being closely related to Europeans? No. There is enormous variation within geographical so-called "races", and alpine noses or high cheekbones do not necessarily have anything to do with East Asian genes. I'm not saying you are wrong, but things don't always fit the boxes that easily.

Mongoloid features in Eastern Europe are often attributed to contact with Central Asian peoples, who have invaded, interbred and settled all over the region at different times in history. I read one study once that said the high rate of alcoholism among Russians was related to Mongol genes. Not saying I believe that, just saying.

Even seen a Hazara from Afghanistan? Totally Mongol-looking.

By: aryanna knot

aryanna knot — Tue, 13 Oct 2009 01:59:47 +0000

"you read the part about between-population differences? brownz are way more different than they "should" be from place to place.... (inbreeding is another word)"

Check. My mom always did think the couples looked suspiciously alike considering cousin marriage was taboo. There's more ways to inbreed than first or second cousins.

By: terabap

terabap — Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:26:15 +0000

Just curious, how many of you are population geneticists ? How many of you have had papers in AJHG ? How many of you are in a tenure track position in population genetics or statistical genetics ?

Disclaimer - I am not.

By: worf

worf — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:59:40 +0000

Correction: Skin colour alone isn’t THE indicator of ancestral origin.

By: worf

worf — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:58:50 +0000

Mathai, skin colour isn’t the only indicator for ancestral origin.

By: Mathai

Mathai — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:45:03 +0000

I’m a malu and by the way I’m black as coal. I guess the only people I could claim ancestry to are Africans. I love being Indian and I can’t imagine being anything else. There are some “white” people in my family too and they could care less about my skin colour. I think thats the way it should be for all Indians, regardless of physical features.

By: razib

razib — Sun, 11 Oct 2009 00:11:34 +0000

some talk about indian muslims earlier. new paper, Traces of sub-Saharan and Middle Eastern lineages in Indian Muslim populations.

1) south asian muslims are mostly south asian

2) some middle eastern ancestry is detectable, in north india it is all iranian & central asian. among the mapplas of kerala some arab is detectable too.

By: razib

razib — Sat, 10 Oct 2009 00:20:28 +0000

for those of you interested in finnetics, map for you.