Comments on: 30 Mosques in 30 Days http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/16/30_mosques_in_30_days/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: salim http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/16/30_mosques_in_30_days/comment-page-1/#comment-278742 salim Sat, 02 Oct 2010 20:13:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5952#comment-278742 <p>in response to Jinendra who wrote:</p> <p>'Jinendra - Wow, what a friendly person you are. I'm sure my Hindu friends would be lovely with your characterization of them practicing 'idolatory'</p> <p>Uh - you Do keep idols and portraits at your places of worship don't you? While the choice of words was poor - I doubt your tone makes you any less 'friendly' than the people you criticize.</p> <p>P.S. 'my Hindu friends' - YOUR friends?! Oh, you're offended for "them" and not yourself - Wow, I'm pretty sure you buy porn at the newsagents for 'them' and not yourself! Project your insecurities much??</p> <p>As far as the one million Muslims being false is concerned - you're right - One million Indians would be much more accurate judging by the rate at which people keep leaving that supposed 'superpower' nation like rats deserting a sinking ship!!!</p> in response to Jinendra who wrote:

‘Jinendra – Wow, what a friendly person you are. I’m sure my Hindu friends would be lovely with your characterization of them practicing ‘idolatory’

Uh – you Do keep idols and portraits at your places of worship don’t you? While the choice of words was poor – I doubt your tone makes you any less ‘friendly’ than the people you criticize.

P.S. ‘my Hindu friends’ – YOUR friends?! Oh, you’re offended for “them” and not yourself – Wow, I’m pretty sure you buy porn at the newsagents for ‘them’ and not yourself! Project your insecurities much??

As far as the one million Muslims being false is concerned – you’re right – One million Indians would be much more accurate judging by the rate at which people keep leaving that supposed ‘superpower’ nation like rats deserting a sinking ship!!!

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By: Javed http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/16/30_mosques_in_30_days/comment-page-1/#comment-268748 Javed Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:16:21 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5952#comment-268748 <p>I am writing my dissertation on Muslim in NYC and I was wondering if I could interview both of u. I live in by Central Park.</p> <p>Sincerely, Javed</p> I am writing my dissertation on Muslim in NYC and I was wondering if I could interview both of u. I live in by Central Park.

Sincerely, Javed

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/16/30_mosques_in_30_days/comment-page-1/#comment-249281 Sameer Mon, 21 Sep 2009 02:42:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5952#comment-249281 <blockquote>What does a Christian who does not believe in Islam want to gain by visiting a mosque? Why would a Muslim who does not believe in polytheism or idolatry want to visit a Hindu temple??</blockquote> <p>The choice of words when it came to Hinduism was interesting. It could have been in the same lines as the prior sentence that discussed a Christian and the religion Islam: "Why would a Muslim who does not believe in [Hinduism] want to visit a Hindu temple?"</p> <p>"polytheism" "idolatry" then a later post of another person refers to non-abrahamic religions as "pagan" or Indians as "heathens." In Middle Eastern Abrahamic so called monotheistic religions (Judaism/Christianity/Islam) polytheism/idolatry/pagans/heathens are looked down on as vastly inferior. I remember reading somewhere in pre-Islamic Arabia in the Kaaba there used to be 300+ idols from a number of religions in the region. That was tolerant. Go try building anything but a mosque in Saudi Arabia today.</p> <p>What is it about those monotheistic religions? Does being monotheistic mean you have to be such a snob about other religions that are not monotheistic? Or can you create a monotheistic faith that is truly tolerant and respectful of non-monotheistic faiths - not that others are inferior, but merely different?</p> What does a Christian who does not believe in Islam want to gain by visiting a mosque? Why would a Muslim who does not believe in polytheism or idolatry want to visit a Hindu temple??

The choice of words when it came to Hinduism was interesting. It could have been in the same lines as the prior sentence that discussed a Christian and the religion Islam: “Why would a Muslim who does not believe in [Hinduism] want to visit a Hindu temple?”

“polytheism” “idolatry” then a later post of another person refers to non-abrahamic religions as “pagan” or Indians as “heathens.” In Middle Eastern Abrahamic so called monotheistic religions (Judaism/Christianity/Islam) polytheism/idolatry/pagans/heathens are looked down on as vastly inferior. I remember reading somewhere in pre-Islamic Arabia in the Kaaba there used to be 300+ idols from a number of religions in the region. That was tolerant. Go try building anything but a mosque in Saudi Arabia today.

What is it about those monotheistic religions? Does being monotheistic mean you have to be such a snob about other religions that are not monotheistic? Or can you create a monotheistic faith that is truly tolerant and respectful of non-monotheistic faiths – not that others are inferior, but merely different?

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By: Blue Lamp http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/16/30_mosques_in_30_days/comment-page-1/#comment-249224 Blue Lamp Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:54:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5952#comment-249224 <p>Hindus believe this, basically: "God is One, and His Forms are Many." Incarnation isn't always the most accurate term to describe the different faces of Brahman, because it implies that there is a linear relationship between Brahman --> Incarnation.</p> <p>I'm Hindu, and I have prayed at mosques and churches and dargahs. I believe in Jesus, and I believe in the wisdom of the Prophet and Allah. I don't see it as contradictory to my religion because Allah <em>is</em> God no matter what, and He loves me no matter what name I address him by.</p> <p>I loved reading this Ramzan blog. I agree, it does sound slightly food-obsessed, but it's such a personal and sincere look into the Muslim society of NY that it really comes off as a valuable snapshot of Islam in America in the early 21st century.</p> Hindus believe this, basically: “God is One, and His Forms are Many.” Incarnation isn’t always the most accurate term to describe the different faces of Brahman, because it implies that there is a linear relationship between Brahman –> Incarnation.

I’m Hindu, and I have prayed at mosques and churches and dargahs. I believe in Jesus, and I believe in the wisdom of the Prophet and Allah. I don’t see it as contradictory to my religion because Allah is God no matter what, and He loves me no matter what name I address him by.

I loved reading this Ramzan blog. I agree, it does sound slightly food-obsessed, but it’s such a personal and sincere look into the Muslim society of NY that it really comes off as a valuable snapshot of Islam in America in the early 21st century.

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By: Aliyah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/16/30_mosques_in_30_days/comment-page-1/#comment-249180 Aliyah Sun, 20 Sep 2009 04:42:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5952#comment-249180 <p>Its the big elephant in the room, to be frank.</p> Its the big elephant in the room, to be frank.

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By: Aliyah http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/16/30_mosques_in_30_days/comment-page-1/#comment-249178 Aliyah Sun, 20 Sep 2009 04:38:09 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5952#comment-249178 <p>I just can't believe in the supposed sense of unity and humanity in these photographs when I can't see a single girl or woman in them. Sorry, but until women are allowed to worship in a mosque side by side with men, I just don't believe that they are places that value humanity or equality.</p> I just can’t believe in the supposed sense of unity and humanity in these photographs when I can’t see a single girl or woman in them. Sorry, but until women are allowed to worship in a mosque side by side with men, I just don’t believe that they are places that value humanity or equality.

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By: Lupus Solitarius http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/16/30_mosques_in_30_days/comment-page-1/#comment-249108 Lupus Solitarius Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:55:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5952#comment-249108 <p>Pedro, It is true that Hindu devas are multiple, uncountable even. However, they are paths to approach the supreme truth, the highest reality. The notion of truth in Hinduism is not hypothetical at all. It is called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman">Brahman</a> or Param Brahman. Since there can be infinite possible ways to approach this God, you might see Hindus praying to Jesus or visiting Dargahs (ekam sat viprah bahuda vadanti). In this, I see similarities with the Catholic worship of saints and the reverence for peers in certain sects of Islam. The only difference it has with revealed religions is that Hinduism doesn't accept a particular path as the only and exclusively true one.</p> Pedro, It is true that Hindu devas are multiple, uncountable even. However, they are paths to approach the supreme truth, the highest reality. The notion of truth in Hinduism is not hypothetical at all. It is called Brahman or Param Brahman. Since there can be infinite possible ways to approach this God, you might see Hindus praying to Jesus or visiting Dargahs (ekam sat viprah bahuda vadanti). In this, I see similarities with the Catholic worship of saints and the reverence for peers in certain sects of Islam. The only difference it has with revealed religions is that Hinduism doesn’t accept a particular path as the only and exclusively true one.

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By: Pedro Alvarez Espinoza http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/16/30_mosques_in_30_days/comment-page-1/#comment-249096 Pedro Alvarez Espinoza Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:16:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5952#comment-249096 <blockquote>I suppose it is a little easier for a Hindu open to the idea of praying and accepting blessings in a Church or a Mosque than it would be the other way but it's not unheard of</blockquote> <p>Hindus treat Allah or Jehovah as yet another incarnation: so, they have no problems going there. However, for Christians and Muslims, Allah/Jehovah is one and only True God: there can't be multiple True Gods. That's why Indian devas are notated with a small g (as in gods). The notion of truth in pagan traditions--whether of graeco-roman pagans or of Indian heathens--is hypothetical: that's why they have tolerated multiple paths precisely because such a notion of truth is hypothetical. Call it epistemic truth; but this is different from the Truth Christians/Muslims talk about: the cosmos that was, is, and will be, is the Will of a Being who is outside of such cosmos. How do we know that it is the case? Because such a Being revealed to us humans. Why He revealed? Christianity answers thus: to save us.</p> <p>Of course, many of our Christian friends come to temples, but they partake in some prasad. This doesn't mean that they accept that your hindu god is a True one.</p> I suppose it is a little easier for a Hindu open to the idea of praying and accepting blessings in a Church or a Mosque than it would be the other way but it’s not unheard of

Hindus treat Allah or Jehovah as yet another incarnation: so, they have no problems going there. However, for Christians and Muslims, Allah/Jehovah is one and only True God: there can’t be multiple True Gods. That’s why Indian devas are notated with a small g (as in gods). The notion of truth in pagan traditions–whether of graeco-roman pagans or of Indian heathens–is hypothetical: that’s why they have tolerated multiple paths precisely because such a notion of truth is hypothetical. Call it epistemic truth; but this is different from the Truth Christians/Muslims talk about: the cosmos that was, is, and will be, is the Will of a Being who is outside of such cosmos. How do we know that it is the case? Because such a Being revealed to us humans. Why He revealed? Christianity answers thus: to save us.

Of course, many of our Christian friends come to temples, but they partake in some prasad. This doesn’t mean that they accept that your hindu god is a True one.

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By: siddhartha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/16/30_mosques_in_30_days/comment-page-1/#comment-248669 siddhartha Thu, 17 Sep 2009 21:42:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5952#comment-248669 <p>It's a great project. The brothers came up with it organically, on a lark, and they bring to it the kind of fresh, non-professional enthusiasm and true, thoughtful curiosity that makes it more interesting journalism regardless of its lack of polish. Living in NYC and with a lot of friends in the Muslim community, I still had my mind blown by some of the entries, like the old steel works on Staten Island that has been turned into a masjid.</p> <p>On the demographic point, yeah, the NY1 piece which offhandedly referred to 1m Muslims in NYC was obviously wrong. There aren't 1m Muslims in the 8m population of the city intra muros. However, I am sure there's easily a million Muslims in the greater New York metropolitan area. The 2010 census will help figure this out -- right now all data are stale, and the community has been visibly growing every year. Another thing you notice in NYC -- and the brothers mentioned this in one of their posts -- is how easily Islam weaves into the culture of this city, making it much more comfortable for Muslims to announce, display, or simply live their faith without being stigmatized for it.</p> It’s a great project. The brothers came up with it organically, on a lark, and they bring to it the kind of fresh, non-professional enthusiasm and true, thoughtful curiosity that makes it more interesting journalism regardless of its lack of polish. Living in NYC and with a lot of friends in the Muslim community, I still had my mind blown by some of the entries, like the old steel works on Staten Island that has been turned into a masjid.

On the demographic point, yeah, the NY1 piece which offhandedly referred to 1m Muslims in NYC was obviously wrong. There aren’t 1m Muslims in the 8m population of the city intra muros. However, I am sure there’s easily a million Muslims in the greater New York metropolitan area. The 2010 census will help figure this out — right now all data are stale, and the community has been visibly growing every year. Another thing you notice in NYC — and the brothers mentioned this in one of their posts — is how easily Islam weaves into the culture of this city, making it much more comfortable for Muslims to announce, display, or simply live their faith without being stigmatized for it.

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By: Ikram http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/16/30_mosques_in_30_days/comment-page-1/#comment-248603 Ikram Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:47:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5952#comment-248603 <p>I like the concept, but I think the execution could have been a little better. A lot of the posts are a just a hungry young man's food blogging --"I ate this ... then I ate that...". Ramadan is more than a food court.</p> <p>Still, some interesting insights -- an uncomfortable Sunni in a Shia mosque. A desi breaking thru the "brown bubble" (eww) in an Egyptian mosque. Failing to do so at a Bambara-speaking mosque. The contrast between the I-banker mosque in Manhattan and the taxi-and-convenience-store-worker mosque in the Bronx. Getting asked for ID at the Bosnian mosque. The gender-equality at the Indonesian mosque, and the lack thereof everywhere else.</p> <p>I think the whole thing could have been better organized, with more discussion between the "infiltrator" and hosts, and maybe some big picture analysis. But a great first effort.</p> <p>And the pics are fantastic.</p> I like the concept, but I think the execution could have been a little better. A lot of the posts are a just a hungry young man’s food blogging –”I ate this … then I ate that…”. Ramadan is more than a food court.

Still, some interesting insights — an uncomfortable Sunni in a Shia mosque. A desi breaking thru the “brown bubble” (eww) in an Egyptian mosque. Failing to do so at a Bambara-speaking mosque. The contrast between the I-banker mosque in Manhattan and the taxi-and-convenience-store-worker mosque in the Bronx. Getting asked for ID at the Bosnian mosque. The gender-equality at the Indonesian mosque, and the lack thereof everywhere else.

I think the whole thing could have been better organized, with more discussion between the “infiltrator” and hosts, and maybe some big picture analysis. But a great first effort.

And the pics are fantastic.

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