Comments on: Border Patrol Hassles the Well Rested http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/09/border_patrol/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: fujiyama http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/09/border_patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-248088 fujiyama Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:47:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5937#comment-248088 <p>My experiences flying have fortunately not been too bad. I was singled out once for a "random" search, from LAX to Detroit. Granted, looking back, it was a one way ticket, so perhaps a brown guy, single, with a one way ticket across the US could raise a flag.</p> <p>I have to say I hate Heathrow and the Desi security folks there are rude and arrogant. Granted, I found some of the white people at King Cross to be a$$ holes as well. It must be a London thing.</p> <p>Other than that no real problems. I was pulled over once when driving. When I asked why, the cop responded condescendingly whether I knew what tailgating meant as though I cannot speak English. But in all honesty I do have a bad habit and tendency to follow a little to closely behind other cars. I've been stopped other times driving but I've generally been at fault. A few times, I've even been let off with just a warning so overall my own personal interactions with cops in the US hasn't been bad. I haven't crossed the US/Canadian border much, except for a few trips with family years ago. We did cross once or twice over the past 8 years, and faced no problems. I haven't crossed alone, so I can't comment on that. Same goes with the US/Mexico border.</p> <p>I don't have problems profiling on particular characteristics or behavior, but race by itself just doesn't strike me as effective. Looking back, I can't complain about the LAX screening, because it was quick and they were polite. From the article linked the border agents sounded incredibly ignorant (and the questions asked were incredibly stupid and inane) but I guess they were set off by Pakistan stamps in the passport. That alone will likely do it nowadays.</p> My experiences flying have fortunately not been too bad. I was singled out once for a “random” search, from LAX to Detroit. Granted, looking back, it was a one way ticket, so perhaps a brown guy, single, with a one way ticket across the US could raise a flag.

I have to say I hate Heathrow and the Desi security folks there are rude and arrogant. Granted, I found some of the white people at King Cross to be a$$ holes as well. It must be a London thing.

Other than that no real problems. I was pulled over once when driving. When I asked why, the cop responded condescendingly whether I knew what tailgating meant as though I cannot speak English. But in all honesty I do have a bad habit and tendency to follow a little to closely behind other cars. I’ve been stopped other times driving but I’ve generally been at fault. A few times, I’ve even been let off with just a warning so overall my own personal interactions with cops in the US hasn’t been bad. I haven’t crossed the US/Canadian border much, except for a few trips with family years ago. We did cross once or twice over the past 8 years, and faced no problems. I haven’t crossed alone, so I can’t comment on that. Same goes with the US/Mexico border.

I don’t have problems profiling on particular characteristics or behavior, but race by itself just doesn’t strike me as effective. Looking back, I can’t complain about the LAX screening, because it was quick and they were polite. From the article linked the border agents sounded incredibly ignorant (and the questions asked were incredibly stupid and inane) but I guess they were set off by Pakistan stamps in the passport. That alone will likely do it nowadays.

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By: SS http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/09/border_patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-247823 SS Sat, 12 Sep 2009 02:54:47 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5937#comment-247823 <p>Upon arrival in India in early '05, we were asked by an overweight security agent to have our carry on bags scanned as we were headed towards baggage claim, well after customs. Besides the scanner being off (TV viewer was off), the other problem was that the dude didn't even look at the screen. Power-trips certainly happen everywhere.</p> Upon arrival in India in early ’05, we were asked by an overweight security agent to have our carry on bags scanned as we were headed towards baggage claim, well after customs. Besides the scanner being off (TV viewer was off), the other problem was that the dude didn’t even look at the screen. Power-trips certainly happen everywhere.

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By: Dr Amonymous http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/09/border_patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-247685 Dr Amonymous Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:41:44 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5937#comment-247685 <blockquote>Dr. A, I am aware that they can't search my apt w/o warrent. However, I produced the 'paperwork' [not allow them to come inside] right away to avoid further repercussions, especially since my friend and I believed it was something arranged by our apt-manager who frequently tried to create issues for us. </blockquote> <p>You deal better with stressful situations than I would :) Anyway, was just sharing information - I definitely think people should make use of it in ways that make the most sense to them.</p> Dr. A, I am aware that they can’t search my apt w/o warrent. However, I produced the ‘paperwork’ [not allow them to come inside] right away to avoid further repercussions, especially since my friend and I believed it was something arranged by our apt-manager who frequently tried to create issues for us.

You deal better with stressful situations than I would :) Anyway, was just sharing information – I definitely think people should make use of it in ways that make the most sense to them.

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By: GurMando http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/09/border_patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-247667 GurMando Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:43:01 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5937#comment-247667 <p>Ooops - posted to wrong page :)</p> Ooops – posted to wrong page :)

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By: GurMando http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/09/border_patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-247666 GurMando Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:42:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5937#comment-247666 <p>He already called and said sowwy:</p> <p>http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/09/wilson-calls-white-house-to-apologize/</p> <p>(by the way, my deletion comment related to a previous post which has now been deleted, not ptr_vivek's)</p> He already called and said sowwy:

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/09/09/wilson-calls-white-house-to-apologize/

(by the way, my deletion comment related to a previous post which has now been deleted, not ptr_vivek’s)

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By: GurMando http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/09/border_patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-247656 GurMando Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:48:59 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5937#comment-247656 <p>The most hilarious statement I heard from a young thug wanna-be a few years ago, when I asked him what he did for a living, he replied, nodding his head and speaking with a bragging deep voice:</p> <p>"Import / Export...don't worry about it"....</p> The most hilarious statement I heard from a young thug wanna-be a few years ago, when I asked him what he did for a living, he replied, nodding his head and speaking with a bragging deep voice:

“Import / Export…don’t worry about it”….

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By: ShallowThinker http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/09/border_patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-247655 ShallowThinker Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:41:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5937#comment-247655 <p>For Canada, south asians just dont represent a terror threat, but a drug threat.</p> <p>There are alot of members of the Indian community that are involved in drug trafficking into Canada from places like Mexico.</p> <p>Alot of them wear any successful drug trafic as a badge of honor. They will point to a brand new Lexus they bought and say "that's one trip" meaning I bought this with the money I made from one trip from the USA into Canada with drugs.</p> For Canada, south asians just dont represent a terror threat, but a drug threat.

There are alot of members of the Indian community that are involved in drug trafficking into Canada from places like Mexico.

Alot of them wear any successful drug trafic as a badge of honor. They will point to a brand new Lexus they bought and say “that’s one trip” meaning I bought this with the money I made from one trip from the USA into Canada with drugs.

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By: mirele http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/09/border_patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-247645 mirele Thu, 10 Sep 2009 00:30:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5937#comment-247645 <p>The US government has been asserting extraordinary powers to stop and search people within 100 miles of the border. I know a whackaloon preacher (in fact, the same preacher who is praying for Obama's death) who got Tased by the Border Patrol earlier this year near Yuma when he was, shall we say, less than cooperative with the BP's request that he allow them to search his car. The American Civil Liberties Union calls it a "Constitution-Free Zone." http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/areyoulivinginaconstitutionfreezone.html</p> <p>That might be a <em>tiny</em> bit of hyperbole, but it's unsettling when you're just driving around in Southern Arizona, minding your own business, and the BP thinks you should be searched. Just Because.</p> The US government has been asserting extraordinary powers to stop and search people within 100 miles of the border. I know a whackaloon preacher (in fact, the same preacher who is praying for Obama’s death) who got Tased by the Border Patrol earlier this year near Yuma when he was, shall we say, less than cooperative with the BP’s request that he allow them to search his car. The American Civil Liberties Union calls it a “Constitution-Free Zone.” http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/areyoulivinginaconstitutionfreezone.html

That might be a tiny bit of hyperbole, but it’s unsettling when you’re just driving around in Southern Arizona, minding your own business, and the BP thinks you should be searched. Just Because.

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By: another bong http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/09/border_patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-247641 another bong Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:17:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5937#comment-247641 <p>Dr. A,</p> <p>I am aware that they can't search my apt w/o warrent. However, I produced the 'paperwork' [not allow them to come inside] right away to avoid further repercussions, especially since my friend and I believed it was something arranged by our apt-manager who frequently tried to create issues for us.</p> Dr. A,

I am aware that they can’t search my apt w/o warrent. However, I produced the ‘paperwork’ [not allow them to come inside] right away to avoid further repercussions, especially since my friend and I believed it was something arranged by our apt-manager who frequently tried to create issues for us.

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By: sam http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/09/09/border_patrol/comment-page-1/#comment-247639 sam Wed, 09 Sep 2009 23:03:23 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5937#comment-247639 <p>Suki (#2)</p> <blockquote>Of course when I chosen to travel by air, I have not had any liquids with me, like a few of our desi brothers did in England a few years ago and I think 3 of them who did have get a new place to call home for the next several years But that a topic nobody wants to talk about. I really wish that people on the far left, would come up with there plans to keep the United States safe, instead of crying about what the Unites States has done the last 8 years to prevent any more attacks. </blockquote> <p><a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/09/08/law/index.html">Glenn Greenwald has an article which discusses exactly this point of view</a></p> <blockquote>In 2006, when the British police -- using (among other things) electronic surveillance conducted by both the U.S. and British Governments -- thwarted a Terrorist plot to blow up transcontinental airplanes over the Atlantic Ocean, right-wing polemicists everywhere claimed that this was vindication for the Bush/Cheney warrantless eavesdropping program. But there was one rather enormous problem with that claim: namely, the surveillance in question was entirely legal, conducted by obtaining warrants under the supervision of the FISA court where required by law.</blockquote> Suki (#2)

Of course when I chosen to travel by air, I have not had any liquids with me, like a few of our desi brothers did in England a few years ago and I think 3 of them who did have get a new place to call home for the next several years But that a topic nobody wants to talk about. I really wish that people on the far left, would come up with there plans to keep the United States safe, instead of crying about what the Unites States has done the last 8 years to prevent any more attacks.

Glenn Greenwald has an article which discusses exactly this point of view

In 2006, when the British police — using (among other things) electronic surveillance conducted by both the U.S. and British Governments — thwarted a Terrorist plot to blow up transcontinental airplanes over the Atlantic Ocean, right-wing polemicists everywhere claimed that this was vindication for the Bush/Cheney warrantless eavesdropping program. But there was one rather enormous problem with that claim: namely, the surveillance in question was entirely legal, conducted by obtaining warrants under the supervision of the FISA court where required by law.
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