Comments on: Dark is Beautiful, Indeed http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/27/dark_is_beautif/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: gem http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/27/dark_is_beautif/comment-page-4/#comment-247203 gem Wed, 02 Sep 2009 06:19:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5921#comment-247203 <p>Thanks for that elaboration TTCUSM! Do you have the book? It would have been interesting to know what Marco Polo would have found had he went further inland. Btw, what does TTCUSM stand for?</p> Thanks for that elaboration TTCUSM! Do you have the book? It would have been interesting to know what Marco Polo would have found had he went further inland. Btw, what does TTCUSM stand for?

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By: wunderbar http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/27/dark_is_beautif/comment-page-4/#comment-247179 wunderbar Tue, 01 Sep 2009 22:52:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5921#comment-247179 <p>so much angst over so little. Dark people want to be lighter. Pale people go to tanning salons. same thing.</p> so much angst over so little. Dark people want to be lighter. Pale people go to tanning salons. same thing.

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By: Ek Aurat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/27/dark_is_beautif/comment-page-4/#comment-247171 Ek Aurat Tue, 01 Sep 2009 19:39:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5921#comment-247171 <p>Does sunscreen keep people from getting darker? I thought it just protected you from getting burned?</p> <p>So sad. But I always remember Tagore's poem Krishnakali and think in some families it must be different:</p> <p>In the village they call her the dark girl but to me she is the flower Krishnakali On a cloudy day in a field I saw the dark girl's dark gazelle-eyes. She had no covering on her head, her loose hair had fallen on her back.</p> <pre><code>Dark? However dark she be, I have seen her dark gazelleeyes. </code></pre> <p>Two black cows were lowing, as it grew dark under the heavy clouds. So with anxious, hurried steps, the dark girl came from her hut. Raising her eyebrows toward the sky, she listened a moment to the clouds' rumble.</p> <pre><code>Dark? However dark she be, I have seen her dark gazelle-eyes. </code></pre> <p>A gust of the east wind rippled the rice plants. I was standing by a ridge, alone in the field. Whether or not she looked at me Is known only to us two.</p> <pre><code>Dark? However dark she be, I have seen her dark gazelle-eyes. </code></pre> <p>This how the Kohldark cloud rises in the northeast in Jaistha; the soft dark shadow descends on the Tamal grove in Asharh; and sudden delight floods the heart in the night of Sravan.</p> <pre><code>Dark? However dark she be, I have seen her dark gazelle-eyes. </code></pre> <p>To me she is the flower Krishnakali, whatever she may be called by others. In a field in Maynapara village I saw the dark girl's dark gazelle-eyes. She did not cover her head, not having the time to feel embarrassed.</p> <pre><code>Dark? However dark she be, I have seen her dark gazelle-eyes. -- Rabindranath Tagore </code></pre> Does sunscreen keep people from getting darker? I thought it just protected you from getting burned?

So sad. But I always remember Tagore’s poem Krishnakali and think in some families it must be different:

In the village they call her the dark girl but to me she is the flower Krishnakali On a cloudy day in a field I saw the dark girl’s dark gazelle-eyes. She had no covering on her head, her loose hair had fallen on her back.

Dark? However dark she be,
I have seen her dark gazelleeyes.

Two black cows were lowing, as it grew dark under the heavy clouds. So with anxious, hurried steps, the dark girl came from her hut. Raising her eyebrows toward the sky, she listened a moment to the clouds’ rumble.

Dark? However dark she be,
I have seen her dark gazelle-eyes.

A gust of the east wind rippled the rice plants. I was standing by a ridge, alone in the field. Whether or not she looked at me Is known only to us two.

Dark? However dark she be,
I have seen her dark gazelle-eyes.

This how the Kohldark cloud rises in the northeast in Jaistha; the soft dark shadow descends on the Tamal grove in Asharh; and sudden delight floods the heart in the night of Sravan.

Dark? However dark she be,
I have seen her dark gazelle-eyes.

To me she is the flower Krishnakali, whatever she may be called by others. In a field in Maynapara village I saw the dark girl’s dark gazelle-eyes. She did not cover her head, not having the time to feel embarrassed.

Dark? However dark she be,
I have seen her dark gazelle-eyes.

-- Rabindranath Tagore
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By: zee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/27/dark_is_beautif/comment-page-4/#comment-247168 zee Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:50:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5921#comment-247168 <blockquote>India is mainly a nation of dark skinned people. But they like fair skinned politicians, bollywood actors, daughter in laws. </blockquote> <p>While India has predominance of light-skin people in Bollywood, US has predominance of blonde, blue-eyed people in Hollywood or on television, and neither is good. It is also well known how extensively media in US covers the missing reports of blonde-blue eye people compared to completely ignoring similar plights of people with different looks.</p> India is mainly a nation of dark skinned people. But they like fair skinned politicians, bollywood actors, daughter in laws.

While India has predominance of light-skin people in Bollywood, US has predominance of blonde, blue-eyed people in Hollywood or on television, and neither is good. It is also well known how extensively media in US covers the missing reports of blonde-blue eye people compared to completely ignoring similar plights of people with different looks.

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By: pingpong http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/27/dark_is_beautif/comment-page-4/#comment-247166 pingpong Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:32:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5921#comment-247166 <blockquote>Hitler was light skinned.</blockquote> <p>Great pity that he wasn't lightly skinned instead.</p> Hitler was light skinned.

Great pity that he wasn’t lightly skinned instead.

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By: pingpong http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/27/dark_is_beautif/comment-page-4/#comment-247165 pingpong Tue, 01 Sep 2009 18:21:46 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5921#comment-247165 <blockquote>Am I harming others when I want my sister to marry an educated man,</blockquote> <p>Quit your strawman-building. My comment wasn't aimed at you, so I don't know why you're taking needless offense. And anyway, if you "want your sister to marry" a certain type of person, you come across as a big-brother-knows-best paternalist. (Couldn't you have just as easily said "I want to marry an educated person" instead? Why project it onto someone else?)</p> <p>If my earlier point wasn't clear, I was saying that we all have prejudices: some of them for evolutionary reasons, some from social pressure, and some from personal idiosyncrasies or fetishes. We can choose (or not) to overcome each prejudice that we identify, with whatever priority we wish to assign, and some of them will take more effort than others. That's what personal growth is all about -- it's about being less-than-ideal and striving to become better. Your question really was about what priority we should assign to one of these prejudices (skin color) vs others (education and wealth and stuff), and I have no particular preference -- do what you're comfortable with for yourself. You weren't denying that they're prejudices of some sort and I wasn't saying that you were defending one of them by propping it up with others.</p> <p>What I do object to is the attitude exemplified by raj in comments 64, 133, 142 and 163, that since we will never be fully free of prejudice, therefore we shouldn't even make the effort to confront one of them, and continue to wallow in the fetid pool of the biases that were handed down to us. Comment 163, had it been said 100 years back, could have been used to justify any of a host of prejudices, including some that we've collectively rejected today. If raj has a preference for pale skin, that's his personal prerogative and it reflects on his attitudes than on anyone else, but he's flat out wrong in projecting it as static, immutable, and above all "natural", which is what his earlier comments have stated, and which is bull. If raj is incapable of getting over a skin color fixation, it's nobody's problem but his own.</p> Am I harming others when I want my sister to marry an educated man,

Quit your strawman-building. My comment wasn’t aimed at you, so I don’t know why you’re taking needless offense. And anyway, if you “want your sister to marry” a certain type of person, you come across as a big-brother-knows-best paternalist. (Couldn’t you have just as easily said “I want to marry an educated person” instead? Why project it onto someone else?)

If my earlier point wasn’t clear, I was saying that we all have prejudices: some of them for evolutionary reasons, some from social pressure, and some from personal idiosyncrasies or fetishes. We can choose (or not) to overcome each prejudice that we identify, with whatever priority we wish to assign, and some of them will take more effort than others. That’s what personal growth is all about — it’s about being less-than-ideal and striving to become better. Your question really was about what priority we should assign to one of these prejudices (skin color) vs others (education and wealth and stuff), and I have no particular preference — do what you’re comfortable with for yourself. You weren’t denying that they’re prejudices of some sort and I wasn’t saying that you were defending one of them by propping it up with others.

What I do object to is the attitude exemplified by raj in comments 64, 133, 142 and 163, that since we will never be fully free of prejudice, therefore we shouldn’t even make the effort to confront one of them, and continue to wallow in the fetid pool of the biases that were handed down to us. Comment 163, had it been said 100 years back, could have been used to justify any of a host of prejudices, including some that we’ve collectively rejected today. If raj has a preference for pale skin, that’s his personal prerogative and it reflects on his attitudes than on anyone else, but he’s flat out wrong in projecting it as static, immutable, and above all “natural”, which is what his earlier comments have stated, and which is bull. If raj is incapable of getting over a skin color fixation, it’s nobody’s problem but his own.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/27/dark_is_beautif/comment-page-4/#comment-247163 Manju Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:56:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5921#comment-247163 <blockquote>Fair enough. </blockquote> <p>heh</p> Fair enough.

heh

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By: hema http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/27/dark_is_beautif/comment-page-4/#comment-247162 hema Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:46:29 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5921#comment-247162 <blockquote>a mans height is sort of the same way...</blockquote> <p>Fair enough. But I still think there is a degree of difference in the practical effect of dark skin vs. short height. A short man <i>may</i> have some negative experiences associated with his height, but it doesn't get the same amount of attention as a woman with dark skin, IMO. Partly, this is because the short man can't really do anything to change his condition. But the dark-skinned woman is <u>expected</u> to alter her natural complexion in order to be successful.</p> <p>Or maybe I'll just shut up now.</p> a mans height is sort of the same way…

Fair enough. But I still think there is a degree of difference in the practical effect of dark skin vs. short height. A short man may have some negative experiences associated with his height, but it doesn’t get the same amount of attention as a woman with dark skin, IMO. Partly, this is because the short man can’t really do anything to change his condition. But the dark-skinned woman is expected to alter her natural complexion in order to be successful.

Or maybe I’ll just shut up now.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/27/dark_is_beautif/comment-page-4/#comment-247160 Manju Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:37:38 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5921#comment-247160 <p>Hitler was light skinned.</p> Hitler was light skinned.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/27/dark_is_beautif/comment-page-4/#comment-247158 Manju Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:30:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5921#comment-247158 <p>tongue or wallet, Puli?</p> tongue or wallet, Puli?

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