Comments on: Hard-hitting Coverage http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/26/hardhitting_cov_1/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: spitfire http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/26/hardhitting_cov_1/comment-page-1/#comment-247080 spitfire Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:23:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5916#comment-247080 <p>What struck me was Simmi's comment - “When I’m somebody I wouldn’t have to go and look for a partner. Suitors will come themselves to talk to my brother and father for my hand. That’s why I want to stand on my own feet and do something.” She's talking about not having to look for a partner at the age of 12..boxing to stand on her own feet so suitors will come to her..its a bit of strange logic, no? Great post by the way. I've been taking martial arts for the last couple of years and I love it. To me, its not about violence or destruction, its more building up confidence and respect in my own abilities and limitations. And I also think its a great way to teach kids discipline and self control.</p> What struck me was Simmi’s comment – “When I’m somebody I wouldn’t have to go and look for a partner. Suitors will come themselves to talk to my brother and father for my hand. That’s why I want to stand on my own feet and do something.” She’s talking about not having to look for a partner at the age of 12..boxing to stand on her own feet so suitors will come to her..its a bit of strange logic, no? Great post by the way. I’ve been taking martial arts for the last couple of years and I love it. To me, its not about violence or destruction, its more building up confidence and respect in my own abilities and limitations. And I also think its a great way to teach kids discipline and self control.

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By: my_dog_jagat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/26/hardhitting_cov_1/comment-page-1/#comment-246818 my_dog_jagat Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:30:13 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5916#comment-246818 <blockquote>According to the Journal, an Olympic gold gets a boxer $100,000 from the Ministry of Youth Affairs and Sports.)</blockquote> <p>That's a lot of Indian rupees. I wonder if that number is right.</p> <p>Love the story about the Kidderpore muslim girls though.</p> According to the Journal, an Olympic gold gets a boxer $100,000 from the Ministry of Youth Affairs and Sports.)

That’s a lot of Indian rupees. I wonder if that number is right.

Love the story about the Kidderpore muslim girls though.

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By: my_dog_jagat http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/26/hardhitting_cov_1/comment-page-1/#comment-246817 my_dog_jagat Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:18:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5916#comment-246817 <blockquote>. I wonder when people will consider all-pervasive sexual harassment (endearingly called 'eve-teasing' in India) in the streets of India as *not* a mainstream Indian value over centuries ?</blockquote> <p>Well said zee@6. India seems to be emerging as a strong house for boxing with both men and women competing. When I was reading the boxing article yesterday, I thought this one would make a good movie--sort of like Spellbound.</p> . I wonder when people will consider all-pervasive sexual harassment (endearingly called ‘eve-teasing’ in India) in the streets of India as *not* a mainstream Indian value over centuries ?

Well said zee@6. India seems to be emerging as a strong house for boxing with both men and women competing. When I was reading the boxing article yesterday, I thought this one would make a good movie–sort of like Spellbound.

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By: Jinendra http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/26/hardhitting_cov_1/comment-page-1/#comment-246778 Jinendra Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:51:10 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5916#comment-246778 <blockquote>One of the intangible benefits the athletes talk about in the nyt article is more self confidence, esp in the streets. I wonder when people will consider all-pervasive sexual harassment (endearingly called 'eve-teasing' in India) in the streets of India as *not* a mainstream Indian value over centuries</blockquote> <p>We can disagree, but I don't think that teaching women (or even men) to be violent is the solution to sexual harassment or other social problems, including, for example, domestic violence. I'm sure I could "model" (in economic terms) a situation in which more aggression by the traditional victims would help, but this is not the Indian way, is it? Our commitment to and engagement with non-violence has not survived for centuries because it is stupid. Eve-teasing <i>is</i> a big problem back in the old country--but it is only going to be solved, I think, by more development, by more <i>modern</i> ways of thinking and <i>being.</i> The same is true of violence towards "lower-caste" people, or mis-treatment of religious or sexual minorities. But switching gears and becoming thoroughly-going violent people for our cause--that would be bad, too. I wouldn't recognize that path as being part of our culture.</p> One of the intangible benefits the athletes talk about in the nyt article is more self confidence, esp in the streets. I wonder when people will consider all-pervasive sexual harassment (endearingly called ‘eve-teasing’ in India) in the streets of India as *not* a mainstream Indian value over centuries

We can disagree, but I don’t think that teaching women (or even men) to be violent is the solution to sexual harassment or other social problems, including, for example, domestic violence. I’m sure I could “model” (in economic terms) a situation in which more aggression by the traditional victims would help, but this is not the Indian way, is it? Our commitment to and engagement with non-violence has not survived for centuries because it is stupid. Eve-teasing is a big problem back in the old country–but it is only going to be solved, I think, by more development, by more modern ways of thinking and being. The same is true of violence towards “lower-caste” people, or mis-treatment of religious or sexual minorities. But switching gears and becoming thoroughly-going violent people for our cause–that would be bad, too. I wouldn’t recognize that path as being part of our culture.

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By: zee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/26/hardhitting_cov_1/comment-page-1/#comment-246776 zee Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:34:24 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5916#comment-246776 <blockquote>But boxing injures the opponent. It is thus not in line with the best of mainstream Indian values over the centuries.</blockquote> <p>That is true in professional boxing (tyson et al), but as a competitive sports it is hardly the case, esp in the weight category the women would be fighting in. Check out the boxing matches at olympics: hardly any injury.</p> <blockquote>But boxing injures the opponent. It is thus not in line with the best of mainstream Indian values over the centuries.</blockquote> <p>One of the intangible benefits the athletes talk about in the nyt article is more self confidence, esp in the streets. I wonder when people will consider all-pervasive sexual harassment (endearingly called 'eve-teasing' in India) in the streets of India as <em>not</em> a mainstream Indian value over centuries ?</p> But boxing injures the opponent. It is thus not in line with the best of mainstream Indian values over the centuries.

That is true in professional boxing (tyson et al), but as a competitive sports it is hardly the case, esp in the weight category the women would be fighting in. Check out the boxing matches at olympics: hardly any injury.

But boxing injures the opponent. It is thus not in line with the best of mainstream Indian values over the centuries.

One of the intangible benefits the athletes talk about in the nyt article is more self confidence, esp in the streets. I wonder when people will consider all-pervasive sexual harassment (endearingly called ‘eve-teasing’ in India) in the streets of India as not a mainstream Indian value over centuries ?

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By: zee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/26/hardhitting_cov_1/comment-page-1/#comment-246775 zee Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:25:11 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5916#comment-246775 <p>"No one in India...even knew that she [Mary Kom] existed."</p> <p>Unfortunately, aside from cricketers, most other sports-people are not that well-known.</p> “No one in India…even knew that she [Mary Kom] existed.”

Unfortunately, aside from cricketers, most other sports-people are not that well-known.

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By: Jinendra http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/26/hardhitting_cov_1/comment-page-1/#comment-246772 Jinendra Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:27:22 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5916#comment-246772 <p>Girls (boys too!) <i>should</i> do exercises--this helps tamp down rising scourges for us like diabetes. But boxing injures the opponent. It is thus not in line with the best of mainstream Indian values over the centuries. Army people <i>have</i> to learn this--ok, fine; but it's not best for the more typical person pursuing the true path.</p> Girls (boys too!) should do exercises–this helps tamp down rising scourges for us like diabetes. But boxing injures the opponent. It is thus not in line with the best of mainstream Indian values over the centuries. Army people have to learn this–ok, fine; but it’s not best for the more typical person pursuing the true path.

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By: zee http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/26/hardhitting_cov_1/comment-page-1/#comment-246764 zee Thu, 27 Aug 2009 04:10:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5916#comment-246764 <p>More power to these women ! Thanks for this post. I didn't know about the movie...look forward to it.</p> More power to these women ! Thanks for this post. I didn’t know about the movie…look forward to it.

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By: Pavani http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/26/hardhitting_cov_1/comment-page-1/#comment-246762 Pavani Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:54:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5916#comment-246762 <p>She's getting the Gandhi award in a few days. I think Joshi is referring to back in 2006 and even before then, back when she became interested in Indian women's boxing.</p> She’s getting the Gandhi award in a few days. I think Joshi is referring to back in 2006 and even before then, back when she became interested in Indian women’s boxing.

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By: Sharmishtha http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/26/hardhitting_cov_1/comment-page-1/#comment-246761 Sharmishtha Thu, 27 Aug 2009 03:48:41 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5916#comment-246761 <p>"No one in India...even knew that she [Mary Kom] existed." Really? Well, clearly the Indian government did know, as Mary Kom was given a government job and is being awarded the Rajiv Gandhi award for sports achievement. Just because the chatterati (international and domestic) don't know that someone exists, doesn't mean that the person is not being recognized nationally for his or her efforts.</p> “No one in India…even knew that she [Mary Kom] existed.” Really? Well, clearly the Indian government did know, as Mary Kom was given a government job and is being awarded the Rajiv Gandhi award for sports achievement. Just because the chatterati (international and domestic) don’t know that someone exists, doesn’t mean that the person is not being recognized nationally for his or her efforts.

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