Comments on: Also from the streets of Jersey http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/12/also_from_the_s/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Paranoid Android http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/12/also_from_the_s/comment-page-4/#comment-246041 Paranoid Android Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:31:17 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5897#comment-246041 <p>@ Abhi - Hope my post was not seen as inflammatory in nature. Those were just my perspectives, and this thread has clearly overrun its welcome. I will go back to making inane jokes and making comments on economics.</p> <p>@ #120 (Dr. Amonymous) - There are many great books on Kashmir, however if I understand you right, the books you might enjoy are "Bonfire of Kashmiriyat" by Bamzai and "My frozen turbulence in Kashmir". Another excellent work of fiction that has Kashmir issue in its background is "Shalimar the clown" by Rushdie. If someone knows interesting book that deal with current day politics, please post here.</p> <p>Thanks!</p> @ Abhi – Hope my post was not seen as inflammatory in nature. Those were just my perspectives, and this thread has clearly overrun its welcome. I will go back to making inane jokes and making comments on economics.

@ #120 (Dr. Amonymous) – There are many great books on Kashmir, however if I understand you right, the books you might enjoy are “Bonfire of Kashmiriyat” by Bamzai and “My frozen turbulence in Kashmir”. Another excellent work of fiction that has Kashmir issue in its background is “Shalimar the clown” by Rushdie. If someone knows interesting book that deal with current day politics, please post here.

Thanks!

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By: Is there any other way? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/12/also_from_the_s/comment-page-4/#comment-246039 Is there any other way? Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:16:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5897#comment-246039 <p>Once it has got to that point, the best choice is to migrate out of the conflict zone, if that choice is open to you.</p> Once it has got to that point, the best choice is to migrate out of the conflict zone, if that choice is open to you.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/12/also_from_the_s/comment-page-4/#comment-246037 Rahul Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:02:15 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5897#comment-246037 <blockquote>Indiscriminate and brutal repression has been the only way throughout history that the state has resisted a guerrilla movement. What else has worked?</blockquote> <p>And, similarly, inflicting of terror upon civilians and affecting facts on the ground has been how guerillas have made an impact to their advantage in many areas (IRA is a prominent example, as are several independence movements, for example in Africa). You are making an argument from expedience, which I acknowledge, but then you must acknowledge the same for every side in this fight.</p> <p>Further, will you excuse the natural reaction of hate and antagonism towards the state for perpetrating indiscriminate brutality on a particular demographic? Or do you expect them to grin and bear it because</p> Indiscriminate and brutal repression has been the only way throughout history that the state has resisted a guerrilla movement. What else has worked?

And, similarly, inflicting of terror upon civilians and affecting facts on the ground has been how guerillas have made an impact to their advantage in many areas (IRA is a prominent example, as are several independence movements, for example in Africa). You are making an argument from expedience, which I acknowledge, but then you must acknowledge the same for every side in this fight.

Further, will you excuse the natural reaction of hate and antagonism towards the state for perpetrating indiscriminate brutality on a particular demographic? Or do you expect them to grin and bear it because

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By: khoofi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/12/also_from_the_s/comment-page-4/#comment-246036 khoofi Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:48:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5897#comment-246036 <p>Out of curiosity, what is the flag they're showing in the parade - the one with the sun and red rays against a yellow background? i saw this in <a href='http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtxxDpvxYdE&feature=channel'> this vid as well </a> with the gent who has a paddleboat powered by cycling.</p> Out of curiosity, what is the flag they’re showing in the parade – the one with the sun and red rays against a yellow background? i saw this in this vid as well with the gent who has a paddleboat powered by cycling.

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By: Is there any other way? http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/12/also_from_the_s/comment-page-4/#comment-246034 Is there any other way? Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:42:19 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5897#comment-246034 <p>Rahul:</p> <p>Indiscriminate and brutal repression has been the only way throughout history that the state has resisted a guerrilla movement. What else has worked? Quote me some examples.</p> Rahul:

Indiscriminate and brutal repression has been the only way throughout history that the state has resisted a guerrilla movement. What else has worked? Quote me some examples.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/12/also_from_the_s/comment-page-4/#comment-246033 Rahul Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:29:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5897#comment-246033 <blockquote>Quit it Rahul. You can't expect her to be civil if you aren't.</blockquote> <p>Sorry about that. (BTW, jyotsana is a "he".)</p> <p>Let me rephrase: Why do you dismiss willy-nilly the rampant violation of civil liberties of innocent Muslims in the valley by agents of the Indian government, by saying they are all murderous thugs and terrorists?</p> Quit it Rahul. You can’t expect her to be civil if you aren’t.

Sorry about that. (BTW, jyotsana is a “he”.)

Let me rephrase: Why do you dismiss willy-nilly the rampant violation of civil liberties of innocent Muslims in the valley by agents of the Indian government, by saying they are all murderous thugs and terrorists?

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By: Abhi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/12/also_from_the_s/comment-page-4/#comment-246032 Abhi Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:23:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5897#comment-246032 <blockquote>Shorter jyotsana: "I am fine with killing random Muslims in the valley because they are all terrorists."</blockquote> <p>Quit it Rahul. You can't expect her to be civil if you aren't.</p> Shorter jyotsana: “I am fine with killing random Muslims in the valley because they are all terrorists.”

Quit it Rahul. You can’t expect her to be civil if you aren’t.

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By: Amardeep http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/12/also_from_the_s/comment-page-4/#comment-246031 Amardeep Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:06:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5897#comment-246031 <p>In my view the kind of "anti-secular" that is a problem is not people who have questions about the applicability of Nehruvian secularism to the Indian subcontinent, or who wonder whether India in particular has applied its secularism correctly or fairly. Those are fair questions, which have been raised by serious scholars (such as Ashis Nandy, for one).</p> <p>Rather, the kind of "anti-secularism" that has become a problem is reflected in comments by people who clearly have an animus against people from different backgrounds than their own. It's people who seem fundamentally prejudiced in favor of their own community, be that community Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, or Christian -- and predictably express that prejudice in comment after comment, sucking up all the available oxygen. Is there any one way to say who that is? No, we have to call it as best we can. Are we going to ban everyone we disagree with? Again, no.</p> In my view the kind of “anti-secular” that is a problem is not people who have questions about the applicability of Nehruvian secularism to the Indian subcontinent, or who wonder whether India in particular has applied its secularism correctly or fairly. Those are fair questions, which have been raised by serious scholars (such as Ashis Nandy, for one).

Rather, the kind of “anti-secularism” that has become a problem is reflected in comments by people who clearly have an animus against people from different backgrounds than their own. It’s people who seem fundamentally prejudiced in favor of their own community, be that community Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, or Christian — and predictably express that prejudice in comment after comment, sucking up all the available oxygen. Is there any one way to say who that is? No, we have to call it as best we can. Are we going to ban everyone we disagree with? Again, no.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/12/also_from_the_s/comment-page-4/#comment-246030 Rahul Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:06:39 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5897#comment-246030 <blockquote>and I will honor my invitation.</blockquote> <p>Thanks, Floridian. I hope to meet you someday, hopefully soon.</p> and I will honor my invitation.

Thanks, Floridian. I hope to meet you someday, hopefully soon.

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By: Rahul http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/08/12/also_from_the_s/comment-page-4/#comment-246028 Rahul Fri, 14 Aug 2009 04:02:35 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5897#comment-246028 <blockquote>Rahul, chill mere bhai</blockquote> <p>Still looking at the mirror while you type, I see? :)</p> <blockquote>"Moral Instruction" isn't a mandated course either in the curriiculum prescribed by the CBSE or the many state boards of education in India.</blockquote> <blockquote>In Madras some of the best schools are run by Hindus Padma Seshadri, State Bank Officers Assoc. High School, Vidya Mandir, KFI, and even Hindu Higher Secondary etc are run by Hindus but have nothing to do with Hindu tradition instruction.</blockquote> <p>hahaha. This would have been a killer comment, if I didn't actually know about these schools and what they teach, by virtue of family and friends. Are you telling me they do not have Hindu prayers, or do not teach Hindu mythology as part of their moral instruction/moral science routine? Are you claiming they do not have regular class hours for moral instruction, both in CBSE and assorted state boards? You choose to actively ignore the practices that shape laws, and instead focus purely on perceived injuries to your spectacularly sensitive skin so as to further your grievances. The idea that children in a large majority of schools do not get schooled in Hindu legends, myths or ideas is thoroughly risible.</p> <blockquote>As for that bit about running roughshod etc., that's just a loser's refrain. The terrorists years ago underestimated India's resolve. </blockquote> <p>Shorter jyotsana: "I am fine with killing random Muslims in the valley because they are all terrorists."</p> Rahul, chill mere bhai

Still looking at the mirror while you type, I see? :)

“Moral Instruction” isn’t a mandated course either in the curriiculum prescribed by the CBSE or the many state boards of education in India.
In Madras some of the best schools are run by Hindus Padma Seshadri, State Bank Officers Assoc. High School, Vidya Mandir, KFI, and even Hindu Higher Secondary etc are run by Hindus but have nothing to do with Hindu tradition instruction.

hahaha. This would have been a killer comment, if I didn’t actually know about these schools and what they teach, by virtue of family and friends. Are you telling me they do not have Hindu prayers, or do not teach Hindu mythology as part of their moral instruction/moral science routine? Are you claiming they do not have regular class hours for moral instruction, both in CBSE and assorted state boards? You choose to actively ignore the practices that shape laws, and instead focus purely on perceived injuries to your spectacularly sensitive skin so as to further your grievances. The idea that children in a large majority of schools do not get schooled in Hindu legends, myths or ideas is thoroughly risible.

As for that bit about running roughshod etc., that’s just a loser’s refrain. The terrorists years ago underestimated India’s resolve.

Shorter jyotsana: “I am fine with killing random Muslims in the valley because they are all terrorists.”

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