Ardy, I am certainly no Pat Condell fan. I find him an arrogant Eurosupremacist, far from the liberal that trumpets himself to be, but I can’t deny that that some of the issues that he addresses are quite real, having seen them first hand. Just because you dislike someone doesn’t mean they are not capable of speaking the truth.

Snark, not sure exactly who you are referring to, but on the off-chance that you are lumping me in with is category, let me make clear that I do not belong in it. First of all, I was educated mostly in the US so have not learned anything about Hindus from Pakistani govt-sanctioned texts. Some of my best friends are Indian (In fact often I get along better with Indians than with Pakistanis)–of course, liberal and secular Indians, not BJP types. I consider myself South Asian rather than Pakistani and take great interest in all forms of our broader South Asian culture, including Hindustani music, the lyrics of which often refer to Radha and Krishna, along with other Hindu figures.

I am sorry you have had bad experiences with “educated” Pakistanis. I have had similar bad experiences with “educated” Indians who as soon as they here that I am from Lahore treat me totally differently than just seconds before. What can be said, except that we post-Partition generations have forgotten the richness of our composite culture and treat each other instead with great suspicion. Hopefully, in time people-to-people contacts will change that.

Snark,do you honestly believe an independent India would be left alone by the US or China?Or by rich feudal-lords and venal Indian politicians?

“I am amazed Ardy and Weird believe india is involved in Balochistan minus any evidence.”

I have never brought up Balochistan when discussing Kashmir.Kashmir is the issue here not Balochistan – the Northeast region ( Bodoland,Nagaland) is India’s own Balochistan.The Khalistan movement can also be considered as India’s Balochistan (which India has brutally suppressed with its might).

Do monkeys need sense to debate with a Pat Condell’s fan?I doubt it.

That’s the point Lopus. Nex time, when you asked your pet monket to read for you, teach it to laugh.

Really, d00d?

Most of our school texts hardly mention temple destruction

So you’re saying that those that do are madrasa-esque?

I am strangely aroused and yet feel so guilty about it…Just when I got over Nandita Das..

I am amazed Ardy and Weird believe india is involved in Balochistan minus any evidence. I am horrified by the no. of educated Paks who live in Rome or NYC who believe all they have read about Hindus in their govt sanctioned texts and treat me accordingly. Surely these peoeple can go beyond religious or state propaganda, esp if they live overseas? Just about any educated indian will stop a conversation if someone says those Muslims did this. The correction expected is yes, some Muslims and some Hindus did that, not all. This correction happens very often. Most of our school texts hardly mention temple destruction or elaborate on jiziya. Over and done with is the official atttitude.