Comments on: Reading the Times While Brown — Marriage, etc. http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/27/reading_the_tim/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: x-minx-x http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/27/reading_the_tim/comment-page-1/#comment-245630 x-minx-x Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:00:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5877#comment-245630 <p>Certain part of my own Central Asian culture are similar to that of desi culture. In my circles there are many Ranu Sinha, who romanticized the old ways, whereas the generation that was born and raised in the old country, is more likely to be less romantic about the old ways. At the end of the day, to each its own. Cultures are like corporate world; some people will thrive in the system, others will absolutely hate it, and other feelings in between.</p> Certain part of my own Central Asian culture are similar to that of desi culture. In my circles there are many Ranu Sinha, who romanticized the old ways, whereas the generation that was born and raised in the old country, is more likely to be less romantic about the old ways. At the end of the day, to each its own. Cultures are like corporate world; some people will thrive in the system, others will absolutely hate it, and other feelings in between.

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By: Ashish http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/27/reading_the_tim/comment-page-1/#comment-244893 Ashish Thu, 30 Jul 2009 19:36:30 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5877#comment-244893 <p>I wish we could get followup on some of these NY Times weddings. I'd particularly like to know how Rommel Nobay, of "lepers paid for my degree" fame, is doing.</p> I wish we could get followup on some of these NY Times weddings. I’d particularly like to know how Rommel Nobay, of “lepers paid for my degree” fame, is doing.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/27/reading_the_tim/comment-page-1/#comment-244874 PG Thu, 30 Jul 2009 16:50:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5877#comment-244874 <p>Well, looks like TV globalization is the new Empire, colonizing minds from North to South, East to West.</p> <p>Over on the SM newstab we have this headline:</p> <p><b>Sex, violence and incest on TV. In India?</b></p> <p>Is it about a serious talk show on which real issues like sex trafficking and child abuse is discussed and solutions sought? Of course not! It's merely about a "reality" show in which Indians will show they can be just as low class and slutty as Americans on Jerry Springer or Maury Povich.</p> <p>Good lord.</p> <p>This is all a diversion from the powers that be to keep minds enslaved on a global scale so that we don't start revolutions.</p> <p>First the dumbing down of America, now the dumbing down of the entire world.</p> Well, looks like TV globalization is the new Empire, colonizing minds from North to South, East to West.

Over on the SM newstab we have this headline:

Sex, violence and incest on TV. In India?

Is it about a serious talk show on which real issues like sex trafficking and child abuse is discussed and solutions sought? Of course not! It’s merely about a “reality” show in which Indians will show they can be just as low class and slutty as Americans on Jerry Springer or Maury Povich.

Good lord.

This is all a diversion from the powers that be to keep minds enslaved on a global scale so that we don’t start revolutions.

First the dumbing down of America, now the dumbing down of the entire world.

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By: Yo http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/27/reading_the_tim/comment-page-1/#comment-244842 Yo Thu, 30 Jul 2009 03:12:53 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5877#comment-244842 <p>The West would do well to imitate "dharma" in my opinion. But it used to have this concept of duty on its own, until the '60s and moral relativists killed it in their efforts to create a world without consequences.</p> The West would do well to imitate “dharma” in my opinion. But it used to have this concept of duty on its own, until the ’60s and moral relativists killed it in their efforts to create a world without consequences.

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By: Meluhhan http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/27/reading_the_tim/comment-page-1/#comment-244822 Meluhhan Thu, 30 Jul 2009 00:39:06 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5877#comment-244822 <p>harsimarbir, point taken. I don't think anyone's being judgmental, we're merely trying to get a feel for who you are by clever deduction. Now that you're here, such speculation won't be necessary. Most fob desis (I'm one) I know hang out/socialize/room exclusively with other desis. Nothing wrong with that either, but it's just the easiest option. It's great that you're getting the full cultural experience by stepping out of your zone. :)</p> <p>Welcome here.</p> harsimarbir, point taken. I don’t think anyone’s being judgmental, we’re merely trying to get a feel for who you are by clever deduction. Now that you’re here, such speculation won’t be necessary. Most fob desis (I’m one) I know hang out/socialize/room exclusively with other desis. Nothing wrong with that either, but it’s just the easiest option. It’s great that you’re getting the full cultural experience by stepping out of your zone. :)

Welcome here.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/27/reading_the_tim/comment-page-1/#comment-244819 PG Wed, 29 Jul 2009 23:42:04 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5877#comment-244819 <blockquote>Desis from here are far more entrenched in so called "culture" while India has moved on and ahead on so many of the issues though not completely. This was glaringingly obvious to me when I got married. Roles, relationships, place in the world/family/society, responsiblities etc a within the context of family are still dictated by a cultural mandate that's 5000 years old. We haven't yet managed to undo it.</blockquote> <p>That 5,000 year old cultural mandate is called "dharma" i.e. duty, and it's a mandate the West would do well to emulate, minus all the gender biased crap of course.</p> Desis from here are far more entrenched in so called “culture” while India has moved on and ahead on so many of the issues though not completely. This was glaringingly obvious to me when I got married. Roles, relationships, place in the world/family/society, responsiblities etc a within the context of family are still dictated by a cultural mandate that’s 5000 years old. We haven’t yet managed to undo it.

That 5,000 year old cultural mandate is called “dharma” i.e. duty, and it’s a mandate the West would do well to emulate, minus all the gender biased crap of course.

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By: Janeofalltrades http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/27/reading_the_tim/comment-page-1/#comment-244814 Janeofalltrades Wed, 29 Jul 2009 22:39:36 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5877#comment-244814 <p>I always find it fascinating to read pieces like Miss Sinha's because I was in the same place about 10 years ago. I went thru my own exploration in my own warped way of understanding Indian culture and how it relates to desis here and desis from desh. She's not off, she's justified in her own right. It takes time to open your world with experiences and exposure to people.</p> <p>Having said that she isn't that offbase on her observations as blanket and banal as they seem. If you peel away the layer of tone that might annoy you she's makes a lot of valid point.</p> <p>Desis from here are far more entrenched in so called "culture" while India has moved on and ahead on so many of the issues though not completely. This was glaringingly obvious to me when I got married. Roles, relationships, place in the world/family/society, responsiblities etc a within the context of family are still dictated by a cultural mandate that's 5000 years old. We haven't yet managed to undo it.</p> I always find it fascinating to read pieces like Miss Sinha’s because I was in the same place about 10 years ago. I went thru my own exploration in my own warped way of understanding Indian culture and how it relates to desis here and desis from desh. She’s not off, she’s justified in her own right. It takes time to open your world with experiences and exposure to people.

Having said that she isn’t that offbase on her observations as blanket and banal as they seem. If you peel away the layer of tone that might annoy you she’s makes a lot of valid point.

Desis from here are far more entrenched in so called “culture” while India has moved on and ahead on so many of the issues though not completely. This was glaringingly obvious to me when I got married. Roles, relationships, place in the world/family/society, responsiblities etc a within the context of family are still dictated by a cultural mandate that’s 5000 years old. We haven’t yet managed to undo it.

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By: harsimarbir singh http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/27/reading_the_tim/comment-page-1/#comment-244809 harsimarbir singh Wed, 29 Jul 2009 21:41:26 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5877#comment-244809 <p>Hi this is Harsimarbir Singh, the guy who wrote the New York times Article.</p> <p>There has been some curiosity and speculation of where i come from. Just to put it across , I come from the industrial city of Ludhiana ( Punjab)And just to put it across , it is the city with most number of "Mercedes' in India along with highest number of cars per capita.It is voted as one of the fastest growing city in India and can give any metro a run for its money when you want to compete on grounds of modernity , parties, corporate growth , wealth generation and interaction between the opposite sexes per se. I did my engineering from Chandigarh , another modern Indian city with flux of multitude of national and international cultures. I have spent considerable time in Delhi and Mumbai and have been through the party culture there. "Hugging girls " is something I am certainly not averse to , but my point was that it might be limited to friends and acquaintances and not first time casual meets like in the article. Also , coming out of the comfort zone is something i did in terms of being at the forefront of many activities like event organizing ,public speaking , leadership opportunities and in launching the Consulting Club for my program and being its first President. The idea of writing this comment was not to justify something but just wanted to clear some air regarding some issues Fell free to get in touch with me to know more harsimarbir singh</p> Hi this is Harsimarbir Singh, the guy who wrote the New York times Article.

There has been some curiosity and speculation of where i come from. Just to put it across , I come from the industrial city of Ludhiana ( Punjab)And just to put it across , it is the city with most number of “Mercedes’ in India along with highest number of cars per capita.It is voted as one of the fastest growing city in India and can give any metro a run for its money when you want to compete on grounds of modernity , parties, corporate growth , wealth generation and interaction between the opposite sexes per se. I did my engineering from Chandigarh , another modern Indian city with flux of multitude of national and international cultures. I have spent considerable time in Delhi and Mumbai and have been through the party culture there. “Hugging girls ” is something I am certainly not averse to , but my point was that it might be limited to friends and acquaintances and not first time casual meets like in the article. Also , coming out of the comfort zone is something i did in terms of being at the forefront of many activities like event organizing ,public speaking , leadership opportunities and in launching the Consulting Club for my program and being its first President. The idea of writing this comment was not to justify something but just wanted to clear some air regarding some issues Fell free to get in touch with me to know more harsimarbir singh

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/27/reading_the_tim/comment-page-1/#comment-244802 PG Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:54:57 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5877#comment-244802 <p>No. I did not come from such a home and that is why I'm shocked to see it. Of course the single parents I know who are dating do not think they are putting their love life ahead of their kids. But again I ask, what need has a father of 6 for a girlfriend?</p> <p>I guess I've lived a sheltered life. From high school to the ashram to India. With only a half a year of living completely on my own as a young adult in the USA before I went to live in an extremely family oriented and conservative culture/country. Now, upon my return and taking up residence in my birth country, I am shocked to see what it has become, but maybe it was like this all along but I was too young and sheltered to notice?</p> <p>Or maybe I'm just uptight?</p> <p>I finally understand why some Indians will say, "Americans don't love their kids". Of course they love their kids, but your average Indian would never understand how someone who loves their kids could prefer to spend time dating than at home with them.</p> <p>On the other hand, from the American single parent's point of view, he/she needs a break from work and the kids every once in a while in order to keep his/her sanity in tact.</p> <p>Bottom line: don't have kids. You know as well as I do that you will end up divorced anyway. That's not rocket science, people.</p> No. I did not come from such a home and that is why I’m shocked to see it. Of course the single parents I know who are dating do not think they are putting their love life ahead of their kids. But again I ask, what need has a father of 6 for a girlfriend?

I guess I’ve lived a sheltered life. From high school to the ashram to India. With only a half a year of living completely on my own as a young adult in the USA before I went to live in an extremely family oriented and conservative culture/country. Now, upon my return and taking up residence in my birth country, I am shocked to see what it has become, but maybe it was like this all along but I was too young and sheltered to notice?

Or maybe I’m just uptight?

I finally understand why some Indians will say, “Americans don’t love their kids”. Of course they love their kids, but your average Indian would never understand how someone who loves their kids could prefer to spend time dating than at home with them.

On the other hand, from the American single parent’s point of view, he/she needs a break from work and the kids every once in a while in order to keep his/her sanity in tact.

Bottom line: don’t have kids. You know as well as I do that you will end up divorced anyway. That’s not rocket science, people.

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By: gem http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/27/reading_the_tim/comment-page-1/#comment-244799 gem Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:35:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5877#comment-244799 <p>Of course puting your love life ahead of your kids is messed up. That's how some children are molested by the mom's perverted boyfriend. PG, did you come from one of those parents who put dating first? I'm noticing your sarcastic tone.</p> Of course puting your love life ahead of your kids is messed up. That’s how some children are molested by the mom’s perverted boyfriend. PG, did you come from one of those parents who put dating first? I’m noticing your sarcastic tone.

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