Comments on: The new face of Air India (UPDATE) http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/08/the_new_face_of/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Jenna http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/08/the_new_face_of/comment-page-3/#comment-244298 Jenna Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:44:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5852#comment-244298 <blockquote>You'd rather spew some racist remarks and regurgitate some stereotypes about Indians</blockquote> <p>Hey don't get mad at me just because there ARE Indian people who don't like their (or others) skin color. I said I won't read every little comment just because I don't have the time, if I did, I would love to read them all to the last itty bitty detail. And if you understood what I said in my last comment, you'd understand that I stated there are some Indian people who DON'T give a rat's ass about skin color, the same goes for you LinZi, I never once said 'EVERY Indian person hates dark skin". Try rereading things and comprehending them before you accuse someone of being narrow minded. There is a program called "Hooked On Phonics" it will very much help you do so.</p> <blockquote>Jenna... if you care so little, why did you bring up in the first place?</blockquote> <p>What? Again, honey, Hooked On Phonics...</p> <blockquote>I am pretty sure most people in this world wonder what their kids will look like. Why? Because it's fun to imagine the future</blockquote> <p>Sure it is. wondering what your kids will look like? That's fine. Caring what they would like is what irks me. That seems to me what your doing. You CARE so much about what your kids look like, you go on the internet and actually go so deep into CARING that you look to genetics to "see" what they'll look like. How hard is it to figure out what your kid's gonna look like? Chances are, your kid's gonna have two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and ears, if they didn't, well I'd still hope you'd love them as much.</p> <blockquote>So how can someone have "African American and Mongoloid genes" in the first place?</blockquote> <p>Because they are mixed..? I'm not sure what you are asking, I don't think you do either...</p> <blockquote>you will find that "race" is socially constructed</blockquote> <p>Which is exactly why I said in my last comment that I questioned the three race theory. You wouldn't know that because you don't seem to want to understand what I'm saying.</p> <blockquote> . the terms you use are rather outdated and offensive</blockquote> <p>Well I had no idea and I apologize for that.</p> <blockquote> Or maybe you just don't really want to imagine, wonder, or understand anything new.</blockquote> <p>Where did you even get this? A freaking Disney movie? I'm not even trying to be funny. Where did you get this?</p> You’d rather spew some racist remarks and regurgitate some stereotypes about Indians

Hey don’t get mad at me just because there ARE Indian people who don’t like their (or others) skin color. I said I won’t read every little comment just because I don’t have the time, if I did, I would love to read them all to the last itty bitty detail. And if you understood what I said in my last comment, you’d understand that I stated there are some Indian people who DON’T give a rat’s ass about skin color, the same goes for you LinZi, I never once said ‘EVERY Indian person hates dark skin”. Try rereading things and comprehending them before you accuse someone of being narrow minded. There is a program called “Hooked On Phonics” it will very much help you do so.

Jenna… if you care so little, why did you bring up in the first place?

What? Again, honey, Hooked On Phonics…

I am pretty sure most people in this world wonder what their kids will look like. Why? Because it’s fun to imagine the future

Sure it is. wondering what your kids will look like? That’s fine. Caring what they would like is what irks me. That seems to me what your doing. You CARE so much about what your kids look like, you go on the internet and actually go so deep into CARING that you look to genetics to “see” what they’ll look like. How hard is it to figure out what your kid’s gonna look like? Chances are, your kid’s gonna have two eyes, a nose, a mouth, and ears, if they didn’t, well I’d still hope you’d love them as much.

So how can someone have “African American and Mongoloid genes” in the first place?

Because they are mixed..? I’m not sure what you are asking, I don’t think you do either…

you will find that “race” is socially constructed

Which is exactly why I said in my last comment that I questioned the three race theory. You wouldn’t know that because you don’t seem to want to understand what I’m saying.

. the terms you use are rather outdated and offensive

Well I had no idea and I apologize for that.

Or maybe you just don’t really want to imagine, wonder, or understand anything new.

Where did you even get this? A freaking Disney movie? I’m not even trying to be funny. Where did you get this?

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/08/the_new_face_of/comment-page-3/#comment-244293 PG Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:52:37 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5852#comment-244293 <blockquote>Lastly, your random talk about "race" genes being dominant. I mean, I know it must been along time since 9th grade bio for you, but really... first of all what "African American and Mongoloid genes" are you even talking about? If you actually study some genetics, you will find that <u>"race" is socially constructed!!</u> So how can someone have "African American and Mongoloid genes" in the first place? And by the way.... the terms you use are rather outdated and offensive:..............Contrary to popular beliefs, Mongoloid refers to <u>diverse ethnical groups, and not of a homogeneous group</u>." </blockquote> <p>I'm not well read regarding genes. When the term "genetic markers" are referred to, what does it mean? Also, "ethnicity" or "ethnic group" - aren't those just terms for "race"?</p> <p>Explain to me, in a nutshell, the connection between genes and ethnic group, if any.</p> Lastly, your random talk about “race” genes being dominant. I mean, I know it must been along time since 9th grade bio for you, but really… first of all what “African American and Mongoloid genes” are you even talking about? If you actually study some genetics, you will find that “race” is socially constructed!! So how can someone have “African American and Mongoloid genes” in the first place? And by the way…. the terms you use are rather outdated and offensive:…………..Contrary to popular beliefs, Mongoloid refers to diverse ethnical groups, and not of a homogeneous group.”

I’m not well read regarding genes. When the term “genetic markers” are referred to, what does it mean? Also, “ethnicity” or “ethnic group” – aren’t those just terms for “race”?

Explain to me, in a nutshell, the connection between genes and ethnic group, if any.

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By: PG http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/08/the_new_face_of/comment-page-3/#comment-244291 PG Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:46:45 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5852#comment-244291 <p>No, American Mallu, I'm not Jenna.</p> <p>Y'all are slippin'.</p> <p>You accuse me of being behind comments that don't sound like me in any way, shape, form nor vibe.</p> <p>What's up widdat?</p> No, American Mallu, I’m not Jenna.

Y’all are slippin’.

You accuse me of being behind comments that don’t sound like me in any way, shape, form nor vibe.

What’s up widdat?

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/08/the_new_face_of/comment-page-3/#comment-244290 Manju Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:32:54 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5852#comment-244290 <blockquote>Wow, a lot of you seem so educated and open minded</blockquote> <p>well, that'll teach ya to stop stereotyping</p> Wow, a lot of you seem so educated and open minded

well, that’ll teach ya to stop stereotyping

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/08/the_new_face_of/comment-page-3/#comment-244289 Manju Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:31:07 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5852#comment-244289 <p>this chugging milk thing isn't working either, btw. i'm stil as dark as i always was and now a i'm 3 lbs heavier, in case anyone's <a href="http://www.sepiamutiny.com/sepia/archives/005852.html#comment244169">taking notes</a>.</p> this chugging milk thing isn’t working either, btw. i’m stil as dark as i always was and now a i’m 3 lbs heavier, in case anyone’s taking notes.

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By: LinZi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/08/the_new_face_of/comment-page-3/#comment-244288 LinZi Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:19:27 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5852#comment-244288 <p>Jenna... if you care so little, why did you bring up in the first place?</p> <p>I think it's really sad that you can't see past whatever narrow minded view points you so firmly believe in.</p> <p>Anyways, I don't know why I am bothering, but let me delve into this again:</p> <p>"Well you might not have a preference (since you say so), but it's still irrelevant and terribly shallow. If you're gonna have kids, fine, but wondering (or even worrying) about what they will look just seems awful, don't worry you aren't the only one, lots of people do it, quite sad actually."</p> <p>Right. There is a difference between imagining what your kids would look like and ascribing certain traits as good or bad. Wondering and worrying are too different things entirely. Wondering is all "ahhh my kids would be so cute, I want to imagine them in their various possible cutenesses" worrying is more like "oh my good, I hope my kid doesn't my weird nose." In case it's not clear yet to you, I am pretty sure most people in this world wonder what their kids will look like. Why? Because it's fun to imagine the future. If you see wondering about things as bad well then I guess you must have a really warped view of imagination.</p> <p>And I don't really care if you are Indian or not. You can't possible allow your family & friends viewpoints to stereotype EVERY person from India. I mean, please, I'm sure you know that regardless of nationality/ancestor, people's beliefs vary greatly. Just because people in your family use a vat of fair and lovely each month doesn't mean my boyfriend gives a crap about skin color.</p> <p>Lastly, your random talk about "race" genes being dominant. I mean, I know it must been along time since 9th grade bio for you, but really... first of all what "African American and Mongoloid genes" are you even talking about? If you actually study some genetics, you will find that "race" is socially constructed!! So how can someone have "African American and Mongoloid genes" in the first place? And by the way.... the terms you use are rather outdated and offensive:</p> <p>"The concept originated with a now disputed typological method of racial classification,[41][42]. All the -oid racial terms (e.g. Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid, etc.) are now often controversial in both technical and non-technical contexts and may sometimes give offense no matter how they are used.[43] This is especially true of "Mongoloid" because it has also been used as a synonym for persons with Down Syndrome, and in English as a generic insult meaning "idiot".[44] A shortened version of the term, "mongo", is also used in the United Kingdom, mainly Scotland. Contrary to popular beliefs, Mongoloid refers to diverse ethnical groups, and not of a homogeneous group." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid_race#Criticism)</p> <p>And if you are referring to specific genes, such as eye color, eye shape, skin tone, hair color, nose shape, height, etc etc all of these are different. For example, eye color is pretty simple. Brown eyes are dominate over blue. (I don't know about green/hazel). Skin tone, on the other hand is influenced by many more genes. But I guess this is over your head. Or maybe you just don't really want to imagine, wonder, or understand anything new.</p> Jenna… if you care so little, why did you bring up in the first place?

I think it’s really sad that you can’t see past whatever narrow minded view points you so firmly believe in.

Anyways, I don’t know why I am bothering, but let me delve into this again:

“Well you might not have a preference (since you say so), but it’s still irrelevant and terribly shallow. If you’re gonna have kids, fine, but wondering (or even worrying) about what they will look just seems awful, don’t worry you aren’t the only one, lots of people do it, quite sad actually.”

Right. There is a difference between imagining what your kids would look like and ascribing certain traits as good or bad. Wondering and worrying are too different things entirely. Wondering is all “ahhh my kids would be so cute, I want to imagine them in their various possible cutenesses” worrying is more like “oh my good, I hope my kid doesn’t my weird nose.” In case it’s not clear yet to you, I am pretty sure most people in this world wonder what their kids will look like. Why? Because it’s fun to imagine the future. If you see wondering about things as bad well then I guess you must have a really warped view of imagination.

And I don’t really care if you are Indian or not. You can’t possible allow your family & friends viewpoints to stereotype EVERY person from India. I mean, please, I’m sure you know that regardless of nationality/ancestor, people’s beliefs vary greatly. Just because people in your family use a vat of fair and lovely each month doesn’t mean my boyfriend gives a crap about skin color.

Lastly, your random talk about “race” genes being dominant. I mean, I know it must been along time since 9th grade bio for you, but really… first of all what “African American and Mongoloid genes” are you even talking about? If you actually study some genetics, you will find that “race” is socially constructed!! So how can someone have “African American and Mongoloid genes” in the first place? And by the way…. the terms you use are rather outdated and offensive:

“The concept originated with a now disputed typological method of racial classification,[41][42]. All the -oid racial terms (e.g. Mongoloid, Caucasoid, Negroid, etc.) are now often controversial in both technical and non-technical contexts and may sometimes give offense no matter how they are used.[43] This is especially true of “Mongoloid” because it has also been used as a synonym for persons with Down Syndrome, and in English as a generic insult meaning “idiot”.[44] A shortened version of the term, “mongo”, is also used in the United Kingdom, mainly Scotland. Contrary to popular beliefs, Mongoloid refers to diverse ethnical groups, and not of a homogeneous group.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongoloid_race#Criticism)

And if you are referring to specific genes, such as eye color, eye shape, skin tone, hair color, nose shape, height, etc etc all of these are different. For example, eye color is pretty simple. Brown eyes are dominate over blue. (I don’t know about green/hazel). Skin tone, on the other hand is influenced by many more genes. But I guess this is over your head. Or maybe you just don’t really want to imagine, wonder, or understand anything new.

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By: American_Mallu http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/08/the_new_face_of/comment-page-3/#comment-244287 American_Mallu Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:04:52 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5852#comment-244287 <p>Jenna=PG?</p> <p>In any event, you seem to be stuck in stereotype land. May be you should listen/ read what others have to say. Oh wait, you won't. You'd rather spew some racist remarks and regurgitate some stereotypes about Indians. sigh...</p> Jenna=PG?

In any event, you seem to be stuck in stereotype land. May be you should listen/ read what others have to say. Oh wait, you won’t. You’d rather spew some racist remarks and regurgitate some stereotypes about Indians. sigh…

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By: Jenna http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/08/the_new_face_of/comment-page-3/#comment-244284 Jenna Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:51:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5852#comment-244284 <blockquote>I never once said anything about wanting lighter skinned children</blockquote> <p>You don't have to, but I'll believe you.</p> <blockquote>thinking "hmm I wonder what our kids would look like?" </blockquote> <p>Well you might not have a preference (since you say so), but it's still irrelevant and terribly shallow. If you're gonna have kids, fine, but wondering (or even worrying) about what they will look just seems awful, don't worry you aren't the only one, lots of people do it, quite sad actually. Maybe you are just innocently wondering, but I find it a bit strange you have to do that (taking time to type it out) on the internet, on a comment thread for a blog that is about Air India's improvements. You do realize there are scientific blogs and forums where you can post such inquiries about "the way genetic traits are passed down". By the way, there are more genetic traits than just skin color, you know, but I don't see you talking about them.</p> <blockquote> People act like 'whiteness' is some sort of blank slate that will just absorb traits or something. This connected with MJ because people look at his kids and assume it is impossible for an African American to have such 'white' looking kids..</blockquote> <p>Excuse me if I sound insulting, but did you pass biology? Lemme give you a quick "here's what I remember from 9th, I don't have a great memory, so my "facts" may be disputed" lesson. African American and Mongoloid genes are dominant over Caucasiod genes, leaving many mixed race kids to look less "white". The same cannot be said for Indian people because we are a combination of all three "races" (I put that in quotes because I question the race theory) where Indian/white kids will look completely random-from fully Indian to fully white-mmaybe both, but again I repeat, Indian people's features varies so it's difficult to tell.</p> <p>As for MJ, he had a sperm donor, he isn't the biological father of those kids which explains why those kids look fully "white"</p> <blockquote> I think it's pretty obvious that you have some stereotypes about what Indian people think </blockquote> <p>Hm. Not really, I don't. I'm Indian myself (yes, my real name is Jenna). My entire family is Indian so I'm pretty sure I have an idea of what their mindset is like. I despise the Indian people who are stuck on the "light skin is better" thing. And guess what? There are a lot of those, some are good at hiding it and some don't even bother to because they see nothing wrong with it. I know there are some that don't care about skin, but they're indeed a minority.</p> <blockquote> Well, first why don't you try to read what I wrote without any of your previous assumptions. if you actually read any of my comments you will realize that I never once said anything about wanting lighter skinned children, or how to get a lighter skinned child</blockquote> <p>Nah, I don't really want to. Sorry. I'd like to but I don't have all the time in the world, still I'll take your word for it.</p> I never once said anything about wanting lighter skinned children

You don’t have to, but I’ll believe you.

thinking “hmm I wonder what our kids would look like?”

Well you might not have a preference (since you say so), but it’s still irrelevant and terribly shallow. If you’re gonna have kids, fine, but wondering (or even worrying) about what they will look just seems awful, don’t worry you aren’t the only one, lots of people do it, quite sad actually. Maybe you are just innocently wondering, but I find it a bit strange you have to do that (taking time to type it out) on the internet, on a comment thread for a blog that is about Air India’s improvements. You do realize there are scientific blogs and forums where you can post such inquiries about “the way genetic traits are passed down”. By the way, there are more genetic traits than just skin color, you know, but I don’t see you talking about them.

People act like ‘whiteness’ is some sort of blank slate that will just absorb traits or something. This connected with MJ because people look at his kids and assume it is impossible for an African American to have such ‘white’ looking kids..

Excuse me if I sound insulting, but did you pass biology? Lemme give you a quick “here’s what I remember from 9th, I don’t have a great memory, so my “facts” may be disputed” lesson. African American and Mongoloid genes are dominant over Caucasiod genes, leaving many mixed race kids to look less “white”. The same cannot be said for Indian people because we are a combination of all three “races” (I put that in quotes because I question the race theory) where Indian/white kids will look completely random-from fully Indian to fully white-mmaybe both, but again I repeat, Indian people’s features varies so it’s difficult to tell.

As for MJ, he had a sperm donor, he isn’t the biological father of those kids which explains why those kids look fully “white”

I think it’s pretty obvious that you have some stereotypes about what Indian people think

Hm. Not really, I don’t. I’m Indian myself (yes, my real name is Jenna). My entire family is Indian so I’m pretty sure I have an idea of what their mindset is like. I despise the Indian people who are stuck on the “light skin is better” thing. And guess what? There are a lot of those, some are good at hiding it and some don’t even bother to because they see nothing wrong with it. I know there are some that don’t care about skin, but they’re indeed a minority.

Well, first why don’t you try to read what I wrote without any of your previous assumptions. if you actually read any of my comments you will realize that I never once said anything about wanting lighter skinned children, or how to get a lighter skinned child

Nah, I don’t really want to. Sorry. I’d like to but I don’t have all the time in the world, still I’ll take your word for it.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/08/the_new_face_of/comment-page-3/#comment-244272 Manju Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:33:49 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5852#comment-244272 <blockquote>Indians are not the only one who prize "light skin". I have found this all the brown cultures that I have been exposed to</blockquote> <p>Well, perhaps they're just being polite while your exposing yourself.</p> Indians are not the only one who prize “light skin”. I have found this all the brown cultures that I have been exposed to

Well, perhaps they’re just being polite while your exposing yourself.

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By: Manju http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/07/08/the_new_face_of/comment-page-3/#comment-244271 Manju Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:30:32 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5852#comment-244271 <p>so, what are we saying? leaving cream of wheat on overnight doesn't work?</p> so, what are we saying? leaving cream of wheat on overnight doesn’t work?

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