Comments on: No no no, she’s too fair for my parents … http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/19/no_no_no_shes_t/ All that flavorful brownness in one savory packet Sat, 30 Nov 2013 11:11:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: LinZi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/19/no_no_no_shes_t/comment-page-2/#comment-242390 LinZi Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:38:50 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5828#comment-242390 <p>Sameer, can you tell me what I wrote that is wrong then please, because that was not quite clear to me.</p> <p>I'm sorry if bringing up child abuse offended you.. I used that example because, since the last research I did was on childrens rights in India, it was the first statistic that came to mind to use as an example of why statistics shouldn't be used to paint a picture of "everyone" doing "one thing". For example, 53% of children does seem like an insanely high amount, but I don't think anyone would forgive me if I used that statistic to say "Don't marry an Indian because they will abuse your child". My whole point was, don't assume or stereotype... using shocking statistics can be sensationalidt, but can they tell the whole story of what is happening on 'the ground"?</p> Sameer, can you tell me what I wrote that is wrong then please, because that was not quite clear to me.

I’m sorry if bringing up child abuse offended you.. I used that example because, since the last research I did was on childrens rights in India, it was the first statistic that came to mind to use as an example of why statistics shouldn’t be used to paint a picture of “everyone” doing “one thing”. For example, 53% of children does seem like an insanely high amount, but I don’t think anyone would forgive me if I used that statistic to say “Don’t marry an Indian because they will abuse your child”. My whole point was, don’t assume or stereotype… using shocking statistics can be sensationalidt, but can they tell the whole story of what is happening on ‘the ground”?

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By: LinZi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/19/no_no_no_shes_t/comment-page-2/#comment-242389 LinZi Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:29:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5828#comment-242389 <p>Well, my marriage isn't between just the two of us, it involves two families as well, and both of those families need to be accepting and supportive of the marriage (in my opinion).</p> <p>This is where my frustration comes in, as I have to battle against all sorts of stereotypes (not just because I am not Indian, or not Hindu) because I am American specifically... most specifically the "divorce" thing. Especially frustrating because I identify to little with America in general...</p> Well, my marriage isn’t between just the two of us, it involves two families as well, and both of those families need to be accepting and supportive of the marriage (in my opinion).

This is where my frustration comes in, as I have to battle against all sorts of stereotypes (not just because I am not Indian, or not Hindu) because I am American specifically… most specifically the “divorce” thing. Especially frustrating because I identify to little with America in general…

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By: listen to your friend Billy Zane http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/19/no_no_no_shes_t/comment-page-2/#comment-242388 listen to your friend Billy Zane Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:25:25 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5828#comment-242388 <blockquote>I call that abuse by feminist neglect.</blockquote> <h1>45 WTF</h1> <p>Why not parental neglect? It is not the like the dad is cooking for the children either. If the dad understands that his kids are eating a diet devoid of nutrition, he is equally culpable. And what characteristics make this woman a feminist? Do you even know what the word 'feminism' means? Certainly, the best moms I know are ardent feminists. And the family you're talking about -- could it be that mom is the primary breadwinner and dad is not keeping up his end of the bargain (ie primary caregiver)?</p> I call that abuse by feminist neglect.

45 WTF

Why not parental neglect? It is not the like the dad is cooking for the children either. If the dad understands that his kids are eating a diet devoid of nutrition, he is equally culpable. And what characteristics make this woman a feminist? Do you even know what the word ‘feminism’ means? Certainly, the best moms I know are ardent feminists. And the family you’re talking about — could it be that mom is the primary breadwinner and dad is not keeping up his end of the bargain (ie primary caregiver)?

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/19/no_no_no_shes_t/comment-page-2/#comment-242387 Sameer Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:24:28 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5828#comment-242387 <p>"I just don't want to be invalidated purely based on my background... invalidate me if I get my facts wrong, not based on where I come from... I'm sure you would want people to do the same for you."</p> <p>FYI, you weren't invalidated purely based on your background on this post. It was what you wrote.</p> “I just don’t want to be invalidated purely based on my background… invalidate me if I get my facts wrong, not based on where I come from… I’m sure you would want people to do the same for you.”

FYI, you weren’t invalidated purely based on your background on this post. It was what you wrote.

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/19/no_no_no_shes_t/comment-page-2/#comment-242386 Sameer Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:16:48 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5828#comment-242386 <p>I am American of Indian descent, Linzi. I hear from Europeans when I visit how I am not like other Americans because I actually know something. That offends me. I say America is filled with many races from around the world, very knowledgeable on many fronts, and don't let George Bush shape your attitude about America ;) .</p> <p>The decision for you and bf to marry is between the two of you. No one can say about the future of your marriage, how long it will last.</p> <p>Feel free to share you opinion, but expect that others will as well.</p> I am American of Indian descent, Linzi. I hear from Europeans when I visit how I am not like other Americans because I actually know something. That offends me. I say America is filled with many races from around the world, very knowledgeable on many fronts, and don’t let George Bush shape your attitude about America ;) .

The decision for you and bf to marry is between the two of you. No one can say about the future of your marriage, how long it will last.

Feel free to share you opinion, but expect that others will as well.

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By: LinZi http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/19/no_no_no_shes_t/comment-page-2/#comment-242385 LinZi Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:04:02 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5828#comment-242385 <p>Sameer, WTF, anyone else...</p> <p>I would like to apologize if I have offended you. Obviously my whole discussion point I was trying to make in the beginning didn't come off correctly, and led to a bunch of random tangents that also didn't help my argument.</p> <p>Honestly, if you got to know me (Not from these posts where I have become more and more frustrated and blabbering) you would know that I am not some racist or neo-colonialist. (Nor am I pardesi gori, thank god!)</p> <p>I'm really sorry if this conversation went the wrong way, I think the whole thing started because of my gut reaction to someone saying that my boyfriend of two years and I should not get married because I am white and hence we will be divorced. This is very personal for me, as some people in India have voiced this opinion to him, which makes things unnecessarily stressful for both of us. I think you can understand why I might feel defensive or stressed out hearing those kinds of comments.</p> <p>Once people in India who say those sorts of things get to know me, I get comments like "oh, you're not like other americans" or "wow, you're practically an Indian" rather than people wanting to admit that maybe some stereotypes or assumptions about americans are not always right.</p> <p>At the same time, it also frustrates me, that on this website I can't voice my opinion without getting "but you're white, what to do you know?" expressed at some point. I would never say that to an Indian person when discussing the U.S., maybe I will disagree with them on some point, but I won't invalidate their point by lack of American citizenship. It's not that I think I am right all the time, or that my opinion is better, in fact, I love learning new things through discussion. I just don't want to be invalidated purely based on my background... invalidate me if I get my facts wrong, not based on where I come from... I'm sure you would want people to do the same for you.</p> Sameer, WTF, anyone else…

I would like to apologize if I have offended you. Obviously my whole discussion point I was trying to make in the beginning didn’t come off correctly, and led to a bunch of random tangents that also didn’t help my argument.

Honestly, if you got to know me (Not from these posts where I have become more and more frustrated and blabbering) you would know that I am not some racist or neo-colonialist. (Nor am I pardesi gori, thank god!)

I’m really sorry if this conversation went the wrong way, I think the whole thing started because of my gut reaction to someone saying that my boyfriend of two years and I should not get married because I am white and hence we will be divorced. This is very personal for me, as some people in India have voiced this opinion to him, which makes things unnecessarily stressful for both of us. I think you can understand why I might feel defensive or stressed out hearing those kinds of comments.

Once people in India who say those sorts of things get to know me, I get comments like “oh, you’re not like other americans” or “wow, you’re practically an Indian” rather than people wanting to admit that maybe some stereotypes or assumptions about americans are not always right.

At the same time, it also frustrates me, that on this website I can’t voice my opinion without getting “but you’re white, what to do you know?” expressed at some point. I would never say that to an Indian person when discussing the U.S., maybe I will disagree with them on some point, but I won’t invalidate their point by lack of American citizenship. It’s not that I think I am right all the time, or that my opinion is better, in fact, I love learning new things through discussion. I just don’t want to be invalidated purely based on my background… invalidate me if I get my facts wrong, not based on where I come from… I’m sure you would want people to do the same for you.

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By: D. Jain http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/19/no_no_no_shes_t/comment-page-2/#comment-242384 D. Jain Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:01:43 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5828#comment-242384 <p>I've just been reading along. But LinZi is not Pardesi Gori...I know, in part because I spent too much time on a different blog arguing with PG (in her latest incarnation--she doesn't go by that handle these days) last night--because she was talking about how awful Indian men are and why white women should NOT get involved with/marry them. Argh.</p> I’ve just been reading along. But LinZi is not Pardesi Gori…I know, in part because I spent too much time on a different blog arguing with PG (in her latest incarnation–she doesn’t go by that handle these days) last night–because she was talking about how awful Indian men are and why white women should NOT get involved with/marry them. Argh.

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/19/no_no_no_shes_t/comment-page-2/#comment-242383 Sameer Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:01:03 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5828#comment-242383 <p>Linzi, you make me prefer white racists. At least they know they look down up us and we know it too. You have no idea why you got the reaction you did. You brought up all these extreme statistics and stories of abuse, and you think you're being fair and balanced and a citizen of the world.</p> Linzi, you make me prefer white racists. At least they know they look down up us and we know it too. You have no idea why you got the reaction you did. You brought up all these extreme statistics and stories of abuse, and you think you’re being fair and balanced and a citizen of the world.

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By: Sameer http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/19/no_no_no_shes_t/comment-page-2/#comment-242382 Sameer Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:52:12 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5828#comment-242382 <p>""Like I said before Brown PEOPLE don't need White PEOPLE."</p> <p>that's true... let's fix that sentence</p> <p>"people need people"</p> <p>better?"</p> <p>This is better: In general, human being need human being, but BROWN PEOPLE DO NOT NEED WHITE PEOPLE TO HELP US. Black people don't need white people to save them, Yellow people don't need white people, Red people don't White people. Thanks but no thanks. We people of color are capable of being aware of our problems and working one them.</p> <p>You don't seem to realize white racists (AND I AM <u>NOT</u> SAYING YOU ARE A RACIST) used to treat people of color like grown children, unable to really help themselves. Liberals don't realize they tend to do the same thing even when they are trying to be this, people of the world. Racists brought up and exaggerated all the problems among people of color, and liberals in their quest not to be like racists and help people of color also tend to bring up in disproportion the problems among people of color and present it in a way that doesn't show the same problems among white populations. That is why you saw many desi's bring up the same problems in the West among non-desis.</p> “”Like I said before Brown PEOPLE don’t need White PEOPLE.”

that’s true… let’s fix that sentence

“people need people”

better?”

This is better: In general, human being need human being, but BROWN PEOPLE DO NOT NEED WHITE PEOPLE TO HELP US. Black people don’t need white people to save them, Yellow people don’t need white people, Red people don’t White people. Thanks but no thanks. We people of color are capable of being aware of our problems and working one them.

You don’t seem to realize white racists (AND I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE A RACIST) used to treat people of color like grown children, unable to really help themselves. Liberals don’t realize they tend to do the same thing even when they are trying to be this, people of the world. Racists brought up and exaggerated all the problems among people of color, and liberals in their quest not to be like racists and help people of color also tend to bring up in disproportion the problems among people of color and present it in a way that doesn’t show the same problems among white populations. That is why you saw many desi’s bring up the same problems in the West among non-desis.

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By: WTF http://sepiamutiny.com/blog/2009/06/19/no_no_no_shes_t/comment-page-2/#comment-242381 WTF Sun, 21 Jun 2009 05:50:34 +0000 http://sepiamutiny.com?p=5828#comment-242381 <blockquote>so Sameer, what have you been doing to address the problems and concerns of your people? </blockquote> <p>Sameer, or anybody for that matter, does NOT have to explain what he does or doesn't do for his people.</p> <p>Why don't you list all that you have done for your people, sweetheart?</p> <p>Is this dipshit Pardesi Gori, by any chance? Or are there clones of her running around India trying to save the brown savages.</p> so Sameer, what have you been doing to address the problems and concerns of your people?

Sameer, or anybody for that matter, does NOT have to explain what he does or doesn’t do for his people.

Why don’t you list all that you have done for your people, sweetheart?

Is this dipshit Pardesi Gori, by any chance? Or are there clones of her running around India trying to save the brown savages.

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